Sidewinders

[rlwicker1967]

So, an object was shot down over Lake Huron with one sidewinder missing and the second one hitting its mark which is a 50% success. Those of us flying WoV are like, "Really? WOW!" 🤣

[+Shootingstar2]

doesn't say much for modern sidewinders does it makes you wonder if they still got some old B models in stock trying to get rid of

[bazillius]

Such a small sample means nothing.

[MigBuster]

4 kills from 5 shots on objects. Don't know if they were designed for such low heat and slow objects - presumably dependent on heating from the sun to some degree.

 

 

[clim995]

i if it was a balloon (if that is what you are referring to) with minimal thermal signature and not a high-performance combat jet with portable hell in its engine exhaust. i suppose it's excusable for the sidewinders to miss.

[Righteous26]

It could be a negative habit transfer from the simulator. The missile may work just a little differently there and it could throw the pilots off the first time they fire a live missile.

[+Gepard]

To use missiles, which costs 440.000 US$, to shot down a weather balloon, which costs 12 US$, is a waste of money.

When the Americans sent hundreds of ballons from Westgermany to the east in the 1950th, 60th and 70th we used the guns of the fighters to down them. This worked very well, was a good training for the pilots and it was cheap.

Edited February 18, 2023 by Gepard

[+Shootingstar2]

therefore use the gun that's what it's there for 

Edited February 18, 2023 by Shootingstar2
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[rlwicker1967]

Much cheaper than live fire tests. Those target drones cost more than $12.😂

[Wrench]

this might of of interest

 

 

[MigBuster]

On 18/02/2023 at 7:27 PM, Gepard said:

 

When the Americans sent hundreds of ballons from Westgermany to the east in the 1950th, 60th and 70th we used the guns of the fighters to down them. This worked very well, was a good training for the pilots and it was cheap.

The Soviet PVO used missiles, unguided rockets and guns - even Tu-128s were used to shoot at them. A lot of missiles of course missed, sometimes a direct hit by the missile was enough.

See defending Rodinu vol 2 by Krzysztof Dabrowski.

flying directly at a balloon at 60000ft means you have to be fast so getting out of the way is going to be problematic. an off boresight shot was the best way to keep things as cheap as possible.

 

[+Gepard]

On 21.2.2023 at 11:09 AM, MigBuster said:

flying directly at a balloon at 60000ft means you have to be fast so getting out of the way is going to be problematic. an off boresight shot was the best way to keep things as cheap as possible.

 

The pilots were trained for such actions. In the so called "Luftzielschießzone 1" (air shooting area) it was common to shot on flares which hung under parachutes. The closing speed was fast and to avoid a collision the MiG drivers had to act very fast.

BTW. While a night training, the flares on parachutes were misidentified by western tourists as "alien spaceships"