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Included is the fully working MiG-23MF 'Flogger-B', cockpit and working Mig-23MF HUD cockpit converted to SFP2. This MiG-23MF swing wing fighter saw much combat and claimed multiple kills over the years. The Mig-23/Mig-27 was the most important Soviet fighter type from the mid-to-late 1970s. It was designed to replace the famous MiG-21. The MiG-23MF was a first generation MiG-23 and was not designed for close-in maneuvering. This would come with the later second generation MiG-23ML ("L" for lightweight). However, the MiG-23MF was still formidable if used as a hit and run fighter. Short takeoff and landing was a major consideration in the case of a NATO vs WARSAW Pact confrontation. Also, the Mig-23 was designed to be able to be able to accept or decline combat against western fighters using hit and run tactics- maneuverability being a secondary consideration. As a result, it was designed to be faster in speed, faster accelerating and faster climbing than most western fighters...in which it mostly suceeded. It was much faster climbing than the F-4 Phantom with a reported initial climb rate of 45,000+ feet per minute. However, it reportedly had an even higher wing loading than the Phantom of about 94/lbs per sq feet at normal takeoff weight and normal wing sweep. One of the contributing results was reportedly a very poor instantaneous turn rate of 11.5 degrees per second at Mach .9 at 15,093 feet and 8.6 degrees per second at Mach .5 at 15,093 feet (Mike Spick-Illustrated Directory of Fighters). The Mig-21 reportedly had a much better maximum instantaneous turn rate of around 18.9 deg/sec. in some configurations. Although a lot of factors are involved in instantaneous turn rates, it does give a general idea. It equipped more Soviet fighter and attack regiments than any other Soviet fighter then in service in the 1970s. Over a thousand were estimated to be confronting NATO from both Soviet and WARSAW Pact nations. This is from the original Mirage Factory (although it has been modified by so many people over the years that it is basically a new aircraft). This Mig-23MF was a major production model after 1978. It could fire beyond visual range (BVR) missiles even for foreign countries and had a standard internal 23mm gun. Its radar was thought to be broadly comparable to the McDonnell Douglas F4J Phantoms' radar...formidable indeed. Mig-23s emerged victorious against maneuvering Western-trained Mirage F-1s over Africa on 27 September 1987, so the Mig-23's weapons systems could be effective. http://www.acig.org/...ticle_184.shtml You can download the original Mirage Factory Mig-23 SFP1 package here: http://forum.combata...p;showfile=5211 The Mig-23MF was the first major production version and also used largely for export. It saw combat in the Middle East with Syria and reportedly had some F-4 and F-16 kills. It was a much improved export version after the previous MS version. The Warsaw pact, India, Lybia, Syria, Egypt, Cuba and others used the MF version. It fired radar-guided missiles and so was a BVR threat with its AA-7 Apex missiles. Pilot report http://www.warbirdso...87/Default.aspx This was so complicated to make work in SFP2, that I had to end up just making it one complete download. If it wasn't loading or blowing up on the runway, then the HUD was not visible, the pilot was out of his seat, the plane was invisible, or the cockpit was invisible, pieces were flying permanently along side you in flight blocking your view, you were flying sideways, and you could not pick weapons. It took pieces from endless airplanes and projects to finally make it work including parts from SFP2. To my surprise, -the jewel-, the extremely complex Mig-23MF working HUD from Starfighter in SFP1 actually started working! Directions: 1) Back up your Mig-23MF folder. 2) Just download the whole filefolder Mig-23MF intact into your SFP2 aircraft folder as one folder....ie into the C:\mydocuments\thirdwire\SFP2\objects\aircraft 3) When asked to overwrite say yes. -Finished! MiG-23M 'Flogger-B' First production fighter MiG-23MF 'Flogger-B' Improved MiG-23M with a new radar and an infrared sensor pod, major production model after 1978 For strengths, it had incredible acceleration that reportedly equalled the later F-16 and F-15s. It also had an incredible climb rate and almost unmatched speed at low altitudes. For weaknesses, it had a terribly slow turn, slow rate of roll and high angle of attack limitations and vicious stall characteristics in certain situations. Better keep it fast. Good tactics in the MF are to sneak in fast at a low altitude, shoot and then run or use your fantastic rate of climb and acceleration in a vertical fight. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FLIGHT NOTES FROM A MiG-23 PILOT: The Mig-23 had incredible strengths and incredible weaknesses. WEAKNESSES: For weaknesses, most Mig-23s never could turn or roll very well compared to its enemies and had very heavy controls. Its roll was hurt by its control system (spoilers and a diferential tail and the disconnection of spoilers at any but 16 degrees). In close combat, the earlier versions in particular were a deathtrap because unless the pilot stayed within certain tight maneuvering limits, it would often lose control and simply crash. Its cockpit visiblility was one of the worst of any fighter. Visibility is life in a dogfight. It had slushy controls in many areas of its flight regime and its nose would often hunt back and forth. Its unpredictable accelerated stall was often taking ones life into ones hands if attempted. It also had the typical Soviet disadvantage of a very short range. There are reports of its radar not working much of the time and it often not being mission ready. It is hard to use an aircraft if it is not working. Red Eagles, Steve Davies "Flying the Mig-23" http://books.google....result&resnum=4 It is true that later versions had much improved handling/systems. However, I understand that maneuvering limits still existed. http://dewarbirdraci...87/Default.aspx http://www.flightglo...20-%200508.html http://www.warbirdso...87/Default.aspx Thanks to -The Mirage Factory for the original Mig-23 in SFP1. -Lindr2 , for the new external model and for armament options. -Armourdave and Sal for orignal SU-17 cockpit. -Nele for the superb flight model that shows that the Mig-23 goes straight and up like an arrow, but is a bear in the turning and rolling department and accelerated stall department. -column5 Previous Flight Model: -Pasko Pilot -USAFMTL, Crab_02, Sony Tuckson Testing, etc: -Starfighter2- for the incredible avionics HUD -Wrench- helpful hints on moving around the SFP1 cockpit gages and hints on converting aircraft to SFP2. TK and Thirdwire - for SFP1 and the armament and options in the SFP2 version. Not for payware in anyway. If you develop this more, please quote the authors. Enjoy!- 5 comments
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The short answer is yes. They were basically the same aircraft in the cockpit...but maybe more electronics/replaced newer items in the later Saar. Unless I can find a cockpit photo of a Saar. The Saar might have had a blue artifical horizon added...if so I would make a separate Saar cockpit and release it in a jiffy!
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View File SFP2 Israeli-modified Super Mystere Cockpit New SFP2 Israeli-modified Dassault Super Mystere B.2 Early-Mid life cockpit for Wings Over Israel2 (I could not get the SFP1 version to work in SFP2 and had to start over again with SFP2). Gages have been moved, eliminated and added. Bitmaps were added. Color photos and cockpit diagrams of the Super Mystere were used as reference. You need the Wings over Israel 2 for the Dassault SMB2 Super Mystere. Originally inspired by CA_Stary (photo-realistic early to mid life additions added by Richard "Pitts2A"Ordway). version 1.0 June 07, 2010 You NEED SFP2 Israel and a previous SFP2 addon (with the F-100D Super Sabre) such as SFP2, WOV2, WOE2, to use it! 3D .LOD files not included! ________________________________________ ________________________________________ _____________________________ Credits: CA_Stary for all his hard work to make the brilliant basic Super Mystere B.2. in SFP1 Thanks to Frank Safrenek and Michel Gerard of Mirage Aircraft of Flightsimulator.com for pics of the Mystere IVA and Ouragan-many of which carry over to the Super Mystere. http://www.mirage4fs.com/ TK for Wings Over Israel2 and a bitmap image of a Meteor battery gage. Lexx_Luthor for his "Generic Cockpits: applications to strategic air warfare" at Thirdwire forums and cockpits MOVE editing discoveries. Really great stuff there! Wrench, for his tutorial about adding F-100D cockpit to unflyable WOI 1 planes. And suggestions to use Hun's pit in Super Mystere. ________________________________________ ________________________________________ _____________________________ This is a modification of Thirdwire F-100D sfp2 cockpit to represent the Dassault Super Mystere B.2 Early-Mid life cockpit. ________________________________________ ________________________________________ _____________________________ Installation: The 3D F-100D base cockpit is NOT included! If you have any previous merged SFP2 installs, you can just add the contents of this download to the Super Mystere folder and it should work. If you have only the SFP2 Israel alone, then you need to extract the F-100 contents and add it to the Super Mystere folder. It's two minutes work anyway. CAT File Extract Utility can be found at: http://combatace.com...3-catpack-archi ving-utility/ Included are ini files and all repainted textures. 1. Extract the archive to your C: MydocumentsThirdwireWings Over Israel2ObjectsAircraftSuperMystereB2 folder 2. Using the CAT File Extract Utility extract from SFP2 the F-100D_PIT.LOD...and all the other F-100 files if you want. More precisely, from "ObjectData.cat" found in "other_Thirdwire_jet_simulationObjects" directory extract the file: "F-100D_PIT.LOD" -this file is the geometry of the Super Sabre cockpit. It's core file and cannot be redistributed. Period. 3. Copy this file into C: MydocumentsThirdwireWings Over Israel2ObjectsAircraftSuperMystereB2cockpit folder. 4.That's it. Nothing more needed. Go flying! ________________________________________ ________________________________________ _____________________________ HISTORY: The Dassault SMB2 Super Mystere was the basic equivalent of the North American F-100 Super Sabre except smaller and much less powerful. It saw much air-air combat and gave stellar value to Israel. Over Saykal, the Israeli Super Mysteres encountered a pair of Syrian MiG-21s and although outclassed by the MiGs, shot both of them down. By the end of the first day of 1967 Six Days War hositilities, Super Mysteres had destroyed 5 aircraft in the air. http://www.geocities...anaveral/Hangar /2848/smbd.htm http://www.acig.org/...h/article_255.s html In 1975, Israel sold 12 complete airframes and 6 sets of spares to Honduras. The aircraft were involved in numerous border skirmishes with Nicaragua and were finally withdrawn from service in 1996. http://en.wikipedia....sault_Super_Mys t%C3%A8re ==================================== Tactics: The Super Mystere has almost the same thrust/weight t/w ratio as the F-100. It has a noticeably lower wing loading than the F-100 so can out turn it all other things being equal. It can't climb as fast as the F-100-(Mike Spick, Illustrated Directory of Fighters). Against the Mig-19 and Mig-21 and MiG 23, try to out turn them. Against the Vampire, Meteor, Mig-15, Mig-17 try to do vertical yo yos while turning. ===================================== Legal stuff: You can do whatever you want with this, as long as you don't include it in any payware package. Giving us credits would be fine. Richard "Pitts2A" Ordway Przemek "CA_Stary" Starkiewiczfor Wings Over Submitter ordway Submitted 06/07/2010 Category Jet Cockpits
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New SFP2 Israeli-modified Dassault Super Mystere B.2 Early-Mid life cockpit for Wings Over Israel2 (I could not get the SFP1 version to work in SFP2 and had to start over again with SFP2). Gages have been moved, eliminated and added. Bitmaps were added. Color photos and cockpit diagrams of the Super Mystere were used as reference. You need the Wings over Israel 2 for the Dassault SMB2 Super Mystere. Originally inspired by CA_Stary (photo-realistic early to mid life additions added by Richard "Pitts2A"Ordway). version 1.0 June 07, 2010 You NEED SFP2 Israel and a previous SFP2 addon (with the F-100D Super Sabre) such as SFP2, WOV2, WOE2, to use it! 3D .LOD files not included! Credits: CA_Stary for all his hard work to make the brilliant basic Super Mystere B.2. in SFP1 Thanks to Frank Safrenek and Michel Gerard of Mirage Aircraft of Flightsimulator.com for pics of the Mystere IVA and Ouragan-many of which carry over to the Super Mystere. http://www.mirage4fs.com/ TK for Wings Over Israel2 and a bitmap image of a Meteor battery gage. Lexx_Luthor for his "Generic Cockpits: applications to strategic air warfare" at Thirdwire forums and cockpits MOVE editing discoveries. Really great stuff there! Wrench, for his tutorial about adding F-100D cockpit to unflyable WOI 1 planes. And suggestions to use Hun's pit in Super Mystere. _____________________________ This is a modification of Thirdwire F-100D sfp2 cockpit to represent the Dassault Super Mystere B.2 Early-Mid life cockpit. _____________________________ Installation: The 3D F-100D base cockpit is NOT included! If you have any previous merged SFP2 installs, you can just add the contents of this download to the Super Mystere folder and it should work. If you have only the SFP2 Israel alone, then you need to extract the F-100 contents and add it to the Super Mystere folder. It's two minutes work anyway. CAT File Extract Utility can be found at: http://combatace.com...3-catpack-archiving-utility/ Included are ini files and all repainted textures. 1. Extract the archive to your MydocumentsThirdwireWings Over Israel2ObjectsAircraftSuperMystereB2 folder 2. Using the CAT File Extract Utility extract from SFP2 the F-100D_PIT.LOD...and all the other F-100 files if you want. More precisely, from "ObjectData.cat" found in "other_Thirdwire_jet_simulationObjects" directory extract the file: "F-100D_PIT.LOD" -this file is the geometry of the Super Sabre cockpit. It's core file and cannot be redistributed. Period. 3. Copy this file into Mydocuments/Thirdwire/Wings Over Israel2/Objects/Aircraft/SuperMystereB2/cockpit folder. 4.That's it. Nothing more needed. Go flying! ________________________________________ Legal stuff: You can do whatever you want with this, as long as you don't include it in any payware package. Giving us credits would be fine. Richard "Pitts2A" Ordway Przemek "CA_Stary" Starkiewicz -
Vampire single engine jet cockpit almost finished. This can also probably be used for the new DH Venom as well. Done from the aircraft manual as well as multiple color cockpit photos. Some gages moved and changed, placards added and bitmats added and colors added and changed.
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Ouch! I will look into it.
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Thanks Kevin and Guyran! The fix works!
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Thanks! However, I can't see out of the dark green front window very well. Does anyone know of a way to make it clear? Thanks,
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Hi, I don't think there is much of a difference unless I made a note at the bottom of the notes saying version 1.0. or 1.1 or 1.2, etc,. I did keep adding more buttons as I got more updated photos from the East, however.
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View File MiG-27M cockpit *and other thing* (TMF) Mig-23M cockpit (SFP1 series) made by Ordway, Starfighter2, lindr2 based on color cockpit photos and cockpit diagrams. Original cockpit made by Armourdave and Sal. Avionics and optional advanced flight model by Nele. You need avionics 70 and the latest patch updates from Thirdwire. Tested on Windows XP and not Vista. However it might work on Vista too. This is the cockpit for the Soviet MIG-27M ground attack fighter which would probably have been one of the first attackers against NATO in a NATO versus Soviet block confrontation in the 1970s and 1980s. It is referenced from color photographs and original cockpit diagrams. Full instructions in the read me Submitter ordway Submitted 02/10/2010 Category Jet Cockpits
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Mig-23M cockpit (SFP1 series) made by Ordway, Starfighter2, lindr2 based on color cockpit photos and cockpit diagrams. Original cockpit made by Armourdave and Sal. Avionics and optional advanced flight model by Nele. You need avionics 70 and the latest patch updates from Thirdwire. Tested on Windows XP and not Vista. However it might work on Vista too. This is the cockpit for the Soviet MIG-27M ground attack fighter which would probably have been one of the first attackers against NATO in a NATO versus Soviet block confrontation in the 1970s and 1980s. It is referenced from color photographs and original cockpit diagrams. Full instructions in the read me -
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Yes, the brakes are only linked to an on or off brake button. However, for il-2, it is hard coded so that when you turn with the brakes on, it acts like differential braking to me so the aircraft turns a little like differential braking. By the way, I have had these rudder pedals for over a year and they are some of the best I have ever had (since 1991 or so when I had some made of wood!). These are strong, offer resistance, are realistic and I highly recommend them and feel a lot like the real airplanes I have flown since the early 1970s.
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I'm with you Peter. The AI can be pretty good. When I fly the Neiuport 28 against Alb. D5s, they get altitude and boom and zoom me and won't get into a horizontal fight with me (theorectically, I should be able to out turn them.
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Mig-27 cockpit ground attack series nearing completion
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New possible gunsight color-pale yellow in Mig-27D as a color photo showed: -
Mig-27 cockpit ground attack series nearing completion
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Mig-27 cockpit ground attack series nearing completion
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Very nice, I have it working! Can I use it in my/your cockpit for release? -
Mig-27 cockpit ground attack series nearing completion
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Thanks! I'm working on it! Alpha Mig-27K -
Mig-27 cockpit ground attack series nearing completion
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Mig-27 cockpit ground attack series nearing completion
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Mig-27 Flogger D and Mig-27D ground attack fighter/bomber cockpits for SFP1 series now available for download. Mig-27D-(More geared for nuclear weapons and on standby alert like the F-111s) Mig-27-(first large scale production Mig-27 ground attack fighter) Available here: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autoc...p;showfile=9749 -
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This is both the MiG-27(MiG-23BM) and MiG-27D dedicated ground attack fighter/bomber variant cockpits for SFP1 series Lindr2's MiG-27 Flogger D and MiG-27D available below: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autoc...p;showfile=6576 Thanks to Armourdave and Sal for the original cockpit. Thanks to Lindr2 and Epizikl for help with the cockpit research and photos. Full instructions in the Read Me(s) Enjoy! -
View File MiG-27 (MiG-23BM) & MiG-27D Cockpits This is both the MiG-27(MiG-23BM) and MiG-27D dedicated ground attack fighter/bomber variant cockpits for SFP1 series Lindr2's MiG-27 Flogger D and MiG-27D available below: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autoc...p;showfile=6576 Thanks to Armourdave and Sal for the original cockpit. Thanks to Lindr2 and Epizikl for help with the cockpit research and photos. Full instructions in the Read Me(s) Enjoy! Submitter ordway Submitted 08/20/2009 Category Jet Cockpits
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Can you re download it? I might have been adding a link.
