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The VSF squadrons regularly carried Sidewinders as standard. Their mission was as fighters for the smaller CVS carriers. A-4s in the attack role in VAs did not carry Sidewinders because their primary mission was bombing. VAs had VFs with F-8s and F-4s to do the fighter work. Rule of thumb, if your jet says VSF and you are flying a CAP mission then you have Sidewinders. If it says VA then you don't. A big reason there has been the legend of the Atoll armed MiG-17 is because that is what we would have done if we had them. This legend is never spread in USAF circles, but in the late sixties with the advent of more advanced air to air combat training by the USN, the USN experts determined that an agile MiG-17 with Atolls would be the ideal worst case scenario. They trained for that scenario and briefed their pilots to be expected to see that. Not because of hard evidence that the VPAF was arming 17's with Atolls, but because it was feasible to do so and the USN would have done so if they where so equipped. That explains the appearance of Atoll armed MiG-17s in some USN reports. Earlier in the war the VPAF did arm MiG-17s and MiG-21 with rocket pods. The use of unguided rockets in the air to air realm was a standard VPAF tactic. A Skyraider pilot seeing a rocket wiz by could assume that he was just engaged by an Atoll.

What ever dude. They did not know Randy Cunningham from Richie Cunningham. The whole "bounty on my head" thesis is an age old way to make war stories sound better. The VPAF were way too busy on 10 MAY 72 to voice analyse the hundreds of jets and callsigns in the air that day. Besides he had only shot down two jets months before that. There where a lot of guys in theater hotter than that that day. (Bob Lodge comes to mind, and there is no evidence that he was hunted. In fact the dumbass that shot him down crashed his jet on landing and died.) I explicitly made it clear that I was not discrediting you, but discrediting your source. Uncalled for my ass. Show me proof, other than Department of the Navy propaganda books. Show me the interview with the VPAF voice expert who can tell a Missouri accent from an Idaho accent. KOOL AID! He was lucky enough to be the right person at the right time when the Navy needed a hero. The engagement on 10 MAY 72 was enough for him to go down in history without the bullshit Col. Tomb story and the "phantom SAM" hit. The moral of the story is.... The first casualty of war is the truth. You are an adult. You should know better.

Yes but one drop of blood was never shed for that town's freedom. Think before you speak.

The notion that they where being "hunted by the VPAF" is probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard. The authors must be drinking the "Duke Kool-aid." The VPAF had no idea who these guys where. They where not on some reign of terror against the VPAF. Why did Steve Ritchie not have bounty? That is really silly. You don't single out one jet, that you cannot even ID the occupants of anyway, on a flak suppression mission and send your entire airforce after it. OMG. That is just plain stupid. Let me clarify that the source is making a stupid statement not you Turkeydriver. So don't get POed at me. Snail, reason is an AAM kill equals air to air victory for the enemy. Which means bad press.

Dogfights mentions Col. Tomb because Duke mentioned Col. Tomb. There is also evidence that Duke was actually shot down by a MiG-21. Instead of the SA-2 that was officially "reported." It would be bad USN PR to have the first Ace shot down during his Ace making engagement. If the truth is, that Duke and Willy had a hell of a fight with three MiG-17s and eventually got popped by a MiG-21 how would that be a bad thing? Instead the Navy invented the fact that their Ace killed "The Infamous Col. Tomb" then was hit by a SAM. Propaganda at it's finest. Istvan is a hell of a researcher and his work is invaluable.

Duke Cunningham also hunted down and slayed the infamous Col. Tomb.......... NO MiG-17s in Vietnam with Atolls. Only MiG-17 version ever operationally fitted with Atolls was the Cuban MiG-17AS. End of transmission.

Named after the Battle of Cowpens. I guess the strongest navy the world has ever seen should have a ship named "Visby." Now that is a stupid sounding name.

Farragut is a good team. DB only started playing them in 09, the year I moved back. Maryville is the hive of all evil in East TN HS Football! DB has more wins than ANY football team pro, college, or HS in the state. But, Maryville has always seemed to knock em off in the playoffs. A lot of good HS Football in these here parts! My wife and kid went to DB. I went to North, but am a big DB football fan. North is not 5 miles from DB, in the county. Our football team always sucked ( I kind of helped out with that a couple of years!). Good stuff homie!

Merci! My new SEM loading screen!

You ain't nuthin but a............. "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

Dude you went to Farragut? Ha! Roll Tribe.

That is kinda like my LODless attack sub mod. Cant see it but you can detect, target, and destroy it. Just pretend your ASW helo's radar is sonar.

I am interested in your temps!

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Component[010]=Hide1 [Hide1] ParentComponentName=nose ModelNodeName=Fuel_Probe DestroyedNodeName= ShowFromCockpit=FALSE HasAeroCoefficients=FALSE This fixes the "double dong Intruder."

Thanks! I am going to plug that in my AV-8A data right now.

Aggie, your mod works exactly like you intended it to for my needs! It gives you the option to do a VTO if you are light enough. Weight is the key. Another thing, Harrier II's scream off this thing with little problem. It is the older ones with less hp that need vector help from "cat1".

Roger.

Just tried 5 Mk82's loaded, my wingman got off the boat no problem. The wingman's nozzle position was straight back. Me on the other hand, taking off from the "cat1" position had to bump my nozzels down a bit to get an extra lift off the edge. This is getting interesting. KB, where on a Tarawa class did AV-8A's start their takeoff run from? With this mod you starout out around the middle off the ship. See pic. Should you not start further aft?

Try it anyway. This is JSF Aggies mod. You cannot overload AV-8As and expect them to take off. I am using the WOE SF1 AV-8A converted to SF2 standards using SF2NA as my arena. One thing I noticed was the droptanks for that version where way too heavy. I swapped them out for the Hunter tanks and it seemed to fix the rest of the flight nose diving off the end of the boat. Also remember, you cannot expect to have more than two 500lb. class weapons loaded if you have drop tanks and you are trying to do a STO off the boat using that mod. I think the main reason is you don't start from the back of the boat. Look up some of Gunny Killerbee's old posts on the subject. I read all of them over the past couple of weeks and my eyes where opened to the world of the Harrier.

http://combatace.com/files/file/12751-lha-mod-for-stock-sf2na-version/ Try this.

Yes, especially if you have a whole lot of planes to put the new but fairly adequately trained pilots in and those squadrons being led by experienced or at least semi experienced veterans. The Germans and the Japanese had neither. The British did not do that during the BOB. They may have rotated squadrons for "rest" but the end result was nothing like the system that later developed in the Allied camp. The Germans did not have a clue, as Gepard pointed out, on how they where going to invade England. Hitler (drug addict) listened to Goring's (drug addict) promises of an air victory. Big lesson kids, don't do drugs. If the Germans would have had the "Null" ( I kind of like that term!), they would have had an aircraft that was able to do more hunting. They obviously would have realized this and used them to their advantage. I can say that the biggest factor was RADAR. Without that the Luftwaffe might have been able to remove the RAF from the Earth. But the British did have RADAR. The irony is that Germany was defeated by the very means they failed to master. Strategic air warfare.