May I remind you this is the what if section,,, you didn't get my play on words,, Gee Whiz stands for a stock F-104G dolled up to the max. and you were so kind to get me a link to the F-104S though alittle late but other folks can get it ,, I have had it dolled up way before your last post,not quick enough,, with the F-15E avionics and fixed the rudder problem by changing the reveres properties to true in the rudder section of Data ini. and added SAHM to all stations except center line now too name it ,,, wait for it,,,,,,,,,,,,,, F-104 wait for it,,,,, SUPER WHIZ,,now in my best mad scientist laugh BBBHAAAH HA, HA, HA ,HA HA HA,