A long time ago

[Svetlin 541]

Yes, a test bed for the Tu-144. Main landing gear is in such a place that does not leave much room for more than the standard 2 pylons. Still it will be cool to have it in SF world.

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

after some RL net issues im back sorry for the black out

Raven there his on real ETA on this  and th MiG-21 analog wloud be a great add!

i have come across some 3 views of the analog whit two pilons per wing whit the centerline that make 5 like the second gen Migs

i see PM CadeteBRA for details on P.1154 he has and go from there.

 

here the list i have so far....

 

AdA
Enterdar6 late<--mostly CAS
Mirage G4 or 8 views i have found are all G8 < strike  and recon
Mirage F2 < Interceptor , air superority  and escort

Aeronaval
Siroco M late wip< strike cas recon
F-8FN< Interceptor , air superority  and escort

sharnak
Mirage 5sh wip< Mutli role but on on Air to Air duty
Enterdar6 early <wip Strike CAS

dhimar
NF-102 fang< light multi role
Bac Boreas P.45C< strike CAS
Fairey FD 2 or SR 177? <Interceptor , air superority  and escort

USAF
fairchild F-15 <Interceptor , air superority  and escort
F-4X < Strike CAS SEAD
A-7D < CAS some Strike
F-4G <SEAD

USN
V-507<Interceptor , air superority  and escort
A-6E< Stike
EA-6B < SEAD
A-7E < CAS

USMC
A-4M CAS
?

RAF
Hawker P-1154 <Interceptor , air superority  and escort
Bac Boreas P45C late wip < Strike recon CAS
TSR 2 Strike

FAA
Sora FGA2 wip Strike CAS
Hawker P-1154N<Interceptor , air superority  and escort

Luftwaffe
Vak-191B mk6< CAS Recon 
F-4F Multi roles mostly air to air

 

URSS
MiG-21Bis < Interceptor , air superority  and escort
Mig-23PD wip < stirke air to air superority
Mig-21MF MUlti role
Yak-36M < CAS
Yak-28-64? if made < recon CAS Strike

PAran
MiG-21F Faceplate wip Mult role more no Strike and CAS
Mig-21PFM <Interceptor , air superority  and escort
?
Mig-23BN < Strike CAS Recon

Dohar
Mig-17F < CAS strike
MiG-19S Multy role
?
?

 

this his all open to debate just a general idea!

 

Cocas

Daniel

[+Gunrunner 314]

Just for clarification on the Mirage G front...

 

There has been 3 prototypes built for 3 programs, however two of these prototypes were used for 2 programs successively :

 

Mirage III G / Mirage G : Mostly intended as a testbed and proof of concept for the Dassault swing-wing, dual seater, single engine, based on the Mirage F.2 prototype airframe.

Mirage G4 : Intended for small scale production as a strike aircraft, dual seater, two engines, two prototypes were built, unfinished before cancellation, they never flew.

Mirage G8 : Study for an interceptor, single seater, two engines, the two G4 prototypes were finished to G8 standard, the first one still as a dual seater (G8 01), the second as a single seater (G8 02), the final airframe would have been shorter than G8 02.

 

Most plans you will find are of G8 01, which was previously G4 01 and a dual seater, technically it is a G4.

 

A G8 trainer would have been markedly different from G8 01 as it would have had a transparent section between both seats, as the Mirage G had, and the seats would have been stepped more to offer a better view from the back seat, giving a more hunchbacked profile.

 

So, if it's a swing-wing Mirage :

 

2 seats, 1 engine = Mirage G

2 seats, 2 engines, strike = Mirage G4

1 seat, 2 engines, interceptor = Mirage G8

[Stratos 3,188]

Do you have pics of how the Dhimari planes will look like?

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

views i have

Mirage f2

 

Fairchild F-15A

 

Fairey delta 2

 

Nf-102 fang F-5´s daddy!

 

Mirage G

 

Vought V-507

 

 

Sr -177

 

 

later i post pics of my early wips in max

 

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

promissed wip shot at this point im mostly make the "bonés" next i will focus on finishing one by one no eta since im mostly alone on this one.

Fairchild F-15A

 

Faceplate

 

Mirage G

 

Phantom

 

 

some net pics of the Fang i realy like it alot

 

 

daniel

 

[fallenphoenix1986 603]

Thank you :)

 

Tried to make an SR.177 myself a few years ago but didn't get very far, quite interseted in the rest of those birds as well especially the VG Phantom.

 

Craig

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

to SR 177 think we need to at least one more underwing pilon to completment wing tip and fuel tank pilons!

and a gun!

fairey delta worry me about pilot visibility! outher then that i like it hsa much has the SR 177

 

Vg phantom has some strange apeal i just that i can make it good enough!

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

wend i Google Fairey delta for pics this thing shows up!

 

 

going to dig more on this to find out more

 

complet bullshit

its relates to his fórum dont haven know if i can use!

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=177560

Edited July 9, 2013 by cocas

[imperialwolfx 1]

Been a lurker for a while and saw your model progress on the F-4 VG or FV as was, bit of a "What if" Looney myself so would love to see this make it into SF2.You may have this but hope it helps.

 

 

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1966/1966%20-%200191.html   Information from the time on the UK proposed version from Mc Donnell Douglas

 

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Never_Weres/Planes/USA/Fighters/Phantoms/F-4_Swingwing.gif

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited July 9, 2013 by imperialwolfx

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

right now my dilema whit the Phantom VG his the nose..

make a E type gun nose since im using it as an USAF/TAC aircraft

or make the normal navy no gun nose like the drawings

i realy dont know......

[+RAVEN 414]

Do both noses, then you won't have to make one or the other later.

[Stratos 3,188]

If you can select only one, go for the E type. After all there's no kill as a gun kill!

[fallenphoenix1986 603]

to SR 177 think we need to at least one more underwing pilon to completment wing tip and fuel tank pilons!

and a gun!

fairey delta worry me about pilot visibility! outher then that i like it hsa much has the SR 177

I'd thought about that as well, just might be enough space for something the wing root(s), not really much space to plant a gun on this one though. As for missiles, 2 Firestreaks/Redtops matches the lightning at least, perhaps a tad light but again this jet really wasn't big enough to carry much more unless it went up without external tanks. I also never really understood why the canopy framing on the .177 was so heavy, was planing on replacing it with something more akin to the SR.53's canopy* had I managed to get that far. In the case of the FD2 it was purely a research bird so I guess visability wasnt as important, could always just "what if" something similar to the F-104's canopy?

 

* SR.53, small mixed powerplant tech demonstrator that served as the forerunner of the SR.177:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders-Roe_SR.53

 

Craig

Edited July 10, 2013 by fallenphoenix1986

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

both nose sounds better more work but better

has for both Sr 177 or Delta 2 they will be handle last maybe we can find a better option since its for dhimar in western aircraft will do....

[+Julhelm 266]

I have a 3d model of the Convair model 44 Tomcat contender if you want to finish it.

 

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

come one of the masters of modeling danm i want it

also saves some work!

[Spinners 15,986]

I love those 60's/70's artists impressions.

[+Gepard 11,249]

 

This bird would be nice.

[+logan4 847]

 

This bird would be nice.

It is in progress... i have to get some other bird out of the way first, then i can finish it.

 

Edit:attached evidence

Edited July 14, 2013 by logan4

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

if one of our s WIPs thats in the way leave it be and take care of this one please that thing his hot!!!!

[+logan4 847]

Ok, my apologies for the bad wording, they are not "in the way" but had higher priority from my point of view.     So were sort of "ahead" of that plane.  

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

ok np since there no real eta on this one hell i got sereval planes make plus making the campaing and ground war etc etc