Red Crown request for help

[Mur 0]

Hi all,

it's Mur from the First temple of the Zodiac.

I have a question:

In Wings over vietnam there is a radio channel for talking to Red Crown, tipically by the key sequence

tab --> 7 .

The first option is "Request for help" . Fine, but each time I need help and ask to Red Crown, she always tells me "Sorry, all our fighters are not available" or something similar. In little words, there is never help.

Do you know if this is the default and if it can be modified????? Sometimes I really need help..........

Edited October 11, 2006 by Mur

[MigBuster 2,884]

Hi all,

it's Mur from the First temple of the Zodiac.

I have a question:

In Wings over vietnam there is a radio channel for talking to Red Crown, tipically by the key sequence

tab --> 7 .

The first option is "Request for help" . Fine, but each time I need help and ask to Red Crown, she always tells me "Sorry, all our fighters are not available" or something similar. In little words, there is never help.

Do you know if this is the default and if it can be modified????? Sometimes I really need help..........

 

Ha - Ive been pressing that key for 3 years in the hope that maybe....just....1 day!!

 

I dont think the feature has been implemented yet - someone correct me if im wrong - one of the many original SF features TK has yet to sort out.

 

So if you need help in the future....well run, fight, ram, or Eject.

[charlielima 328]

Same here! Does anybody know where on the keyboard Target Red Crown button is? Red Crown was a cruiser or maybe even a destroyer. I believe a healthy stick of MK-82s or 83s could transform this annoyance to a new form of ammusement. My uncle/dad flew Willy Victors (EC-121s). Thats College Eye. Please don't arm for A2A. :ph34r: VR ALL, CL

 

Edited October 12, 2006 by charlielima

[WDH 0]

That's always chapped buttocks when you hear that "All other fighters are commited" and i'll be looking out the canopy to see a flight of F-8's or F-4's heading out of area with A2A still fully loaded.Or tower sez's "Austin lead,your leaving my airspace!Contact red crown!" and knownly very will that you can't.But,time and time again tower will ask you todo this.Grrrgh!And tower is way to happy to see you leave.Hmm...

[Kazama 0]

Hi everyone!!

I´m almost 100% sure than requering for help to RedCrown is a total waste of time. Instead, I change the WAV files (there are 3, but I´ve not internet and I don´t remember their names exactly!!) in the speech folder, and replace them for 3 archives of my favourite music!. Now, every time I hit TAB+7+1 I don´t expect too much help, thought I get my hears satisfied!! (Ups, sorry my bad english...)

 

Bye!

Edited October 13, 2006 by Kazama

[Sky Captain 0]

You know, I've always wondered what Red Crown looked like...

 

 

 

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[Southernap 1]

During the Vietnam war the US Navy used selected Guided Missiles Cruisers extended just out from Carrier Task Force 77. They were there to provided Fighter Direction and provided early warning of hostiles approaching the fleet. From 1964 till 1973 they used thier powerful radar systems, usually the SPS-33 and SPS-48 3 dimension radars, to track NVAF units as they flew from their airbases. The NVAF tried to attack twice, as far as I have heard, once with rocket armed MiG-17's and once with torpedo boats and MiG-19's armed with bombs. Both times the attacks were repelled by either the Barrier CAP of the fleet and the Alert 5 Surface Cap (usually an A-4 armed with flare pods and rockets). The USS Biddle claimed two MiG's with her Terrier-ER missiles system in 1968/69 deployment. The USS Biddle was one of the ships attacked by the NVAF, the other was reported to be the USS Long Beach. Ther other time the Biddle used her SAM system was to protect a damaged attack aircraft returning back to the fleet from a pair of MiG-17's that had jumped it.

 

Some of the ships that were Red Crown:

USS Long Beach CGN-9

USS Biddle CG-34 (in 1960 refered to as DLG-34)

USS Bainbridge CGN-25

USS Truxtun CGN-35

USS Dale CG-19 ex-DLG-19

 

To look at some pictures of them head over to NavSource dot org and then click on the link that says "Cruisers"

Edited October 14, 2006 by Southernap

[MigBuster 2,884]

During the Vietnam war the US Navy used selected Guided Missiles Cruisers extended just out from Carrier Task Force 77. They were there to provided Fighter Direction and provided early warning of hostiles approaching the fleet. From 1964 till 1973 they used thier powerful radar systems, usually the SPS-33 and SPS-48 3 dimension radars, to track NVAF units as they flew from their airbases. The NVAF tried to attack twice, as far as I have heard, once with rocket armed MiG-17's and once with torpedo boats and MiG-19's armed with bombs. Both times the attacks were repelled by either the Barrier CAP of the fleet and the Alert 5 Surface Cap (usually an A-4 armed with flare pods and rockets). The USS Biddle claimed two MiG's with her Terrier-ER missiles system in 1968/69 deployment. The USS Biddle was one of the ships attacked by the NVAF, the other was reported to be the USS Long Beach. Ther other time the Biddle used her SAM system was to protect a damaged attack aircraft returning back to the fleet from a pair of MiG-17's that had jumped it.

 

Some of the ships that were Red Crown:

USS Long Beach CGN-9

USS Biddle CG-34 (in 1960 refered to as DLG-34)

USS Bainbridge CGN-25

USS Truxtun CGN-35

USS Dale CG-19 ex-DLG-19

 

To look at some pictures of them head over to NavSource dot org and then click on the link that says "Cruisers"

 

 

Great info thanks!!!

[Mur 0]

Hi everyone!!

I´m almost 100% sure than requering for help to RedCrown is a total waste of time. Instead, I change the WAV files (there are 3, but I´ve not internet and I don´t remember their names exactly!!) in the speech folder, and replace them for 3 archives of my favourite music!. Now, every time I hit TAB+7+1 I don´t expect too much help, thought I get my hears satisfied!! (Ups, sorry my bad english...)

 

Bye!

 

Hi Kazama,

and thanks for your suggestion. The files in the speech folder are

 

T1rhno001.wav

T1rhno002.wav

T1rhno003.wav

 

I guess I am substituting them with three Joe Satriani "a la Top Gun" musical themes!

[Kazama 0]

Yeah!! :dirol:

[sonnie 0]

100% agree with u VLAD!!!!! but hev u tried EF2000 yet?? they also got a flight of tankers n AWACS on it!!!!if u request for refuel or requesting help then the FAC\AWACS will give u solutions n guide u to the location of the tanker!!! i find it interesting i guess

 

it's as same as when u in need of hand in combat!!!!

[SayethWhaaaa 245]

Hell... If I'm not gonna get air support from Red Crown, I'd settle for a re-arming/refueling back at the airfield like LOMAC so I could go back out and do the deed myself. I miss the good ol' days of Freelancer 2 with your back up wing on station and in Hyperspace. If you're getting your butt handed to you on a platter, you could dial up some backup and they'd be there in seconds

 

 

But then again, it was 200 years or so in the future... interceptors had advanced a bit by then!

[WDH 0]

100% agree with u VLAD!!!!! but hev u tried EF2000 yet?? they also got a flight of tankers n AWACS on it!!!!if u request for refuel or requesting help then the FAC\AWACS will give u solutions n guide u to the location of the tanker!!! i find it interesting i guess

 

it's as same as when u in need of hand in combat!!!!

I'LL 2ND THAT!Also it's a warm & fuzzy feeling that someone ALWAYS watching your six.Yep,hate being Ray Charles in a dogfight

Edited November 3, 2006 by WDH

[Southernap 1]

Folks we all know that Red Crown sucks in this game. However, we also need to remember the time frame of this game which is the period of 1950-1978. During this time period the USAF used as an airborne fighter director control center a modified C-121 Super Constellation it was called an EC-121 Warning Star. Both the US Navy and the USAF used the Warning Star as part of the DEW line and then as the Vietnam war heated up the USAF brought in the EC-121's where used to provide the fighter warning to USAF strike packages over North Vietnam. However they had problems in finding the targets and providing direction to the USAF BARCAP, TARCAP, and strike package escorts. The radars were not up to operating over the hilly terrain that North Vietnam was on top of that there was actually two separate radars on on the underside of the aircraft that provided bearing to the target and one on the top of the aircraft that provided height finding. These aircraft were also not well designed for aircrew comfort in this high temperature area and had to do their own target tracking and adjustment for the movement and bearing of the aircraft.

On top of that the most that the EC-121's use to give the F-4's and F-105's that operated over N. Vietnam was code worded reports of number, type of NVAF aircraft, and what airfield the were taking off. According to the book "Clashes: Air Combat over North Vietnam 1965-1972" by M. L. Michel, would be a report over the general strike radio freq like this: "College Eye, 2 Farmers from Green Field" So a pilot or WSO would have to look at their comm card to see what all of that meant and know where the were in reference to that report on how to react.

The crew positions of the RC-121 which later became the EC-121

The only other way that the USAF did fighter control was from ground based interception centers. These were ground based radars but they are limited by line of sight and the number of operators at the centers. This was used initially in Korea but was found to be lacking again do to the terrain features in North Korea for the battles over the Yalu river, on top of that they were tied to a specific location and were at times subjected to early jamming attempts by the Chinese.

It wasn't until the lessons learned after the Vietnam war came along that lead to the development of the E-3A based on the C-135 airframe and most of all improved fighter control training and techniques. Oh by the way the E-3A didn't start to come online with the USAF until the end of 1977 and NATO didn't receive their 18 E-3A's until 1982.

 

 

The US Navy started to experiment with airborne early waring units after lessons learned from World War 2 came out. Specifically the battles for Okinawa and Iwo Jima and the various carrier raids along the Japanese home islands. It was realized that even though the various destroyers that were operated as radar pickets couldn't see far enough way to bring the fleet fighters in time to intercept the kamikazes that were bringing heavy damage to the fleet. So the first aircraft used was a modified TBM-3 with an APS-20 radar installed in where the bomb bay was after using this for the few years after the war ended till about 1950 this aircraft was later replaced by an AF-2W Guardian. This was used until the aircraft was later replaced by an AD-4W (and later on a AD-5W) Skyraider until the mid-50's when it was realized that the fleet needed an AEW that needed to have a serious time on station and be able to go out further from the fleet, let alone the number of radar operators that could be carried which could do the direction of the newer jet fighters in the fleet. Typically the TBM, AD, AF could only carry one or two operators. So the AD-4W and was replaced by an E-1B Tracer. Which had two engines and a range of approx 1000miles and could carry 3 operators. The USN used the E-1 Tracer from 1954 to 1964 when it was replaced by the E-2A in the fleet airborne early warning squadrons which has been the fleet standard AEWC aircraft in the fleet.

A TBM-3W

An AF-2W Guardian

An AD-5W Skyraider in a AEW squadron.

A E-1B Tracer

 

So it really wasn't until the mid-80's that the AWACs god's eyes that you are use to in other games isn't realistic in the SPF1 engined games. Maybe when another engine improve comes out there might be an improvement of the Red Crown or the inclusion of a real AWACs.

[sonnie 0]

great info!!!!

 

 

the question is

 

 

why they created the "requesting for help" in the game if there isn't any?????

[ezlead 42]

During Vietnam,the RED Crown ship on station served as sort of a air traffic control center.

It had so many good radars and intel devices that it would monitor and control almost everything "Up North".

The Air Force would have its EC aircraft over on the western side of North Vietnam.

The Navy would have an E-2c Hawkeye on station for every carrier strike on the East side of North Vietnam.

The call would go out on "Guard" channel. " Attention on guard,Attention on guard,Blue bandits,Blue bandits or Red bandits,Red bandits in the vicinity of Haiphong or Hanoi or whatever city they were close to.

Blue bandits were MIG-21's. Red bandits were earlier version of Mig's.

I don't know how they new what aircraft but they were always right.

The only thing to worry about was staying out of the way of every fighter jock in that area,because they were all headed after those bandits.

I had several close calls with F-4's or F-8's in a hurry to get a MIG.

I flew EA-6A's and was on station jamming SAM and AAA radars.

We would get locked up by our own A2A fighter radars.

The wingman would go screaming by at warp 9 and tell the leader that we were friendly.

The leader was sitting about 1 mile behind on our six waiting to shoot.

We would then "politely" (LOL ) tell them who we were. Our callsign was Cottonpicker or Pigment (Pig).

The CAG's would get really upset if we were messed with.

During Vietnam there was only 1 aircraft lost while Marine ECM aircraft were on station.

The CAG's (Strike Leaders) would not go "Feet Wet" until we were on station to cover their strike aircraft.

Sorry this reply was so long winded but, I feel that you guys who are flying the missions should know the facts.

[F-4PhantomII 0]

Oh... come on now guys...Can't you handle a few Miggy's without helpypoo? Strap on some balls and just get it done man.... LOL

[WDH 0]

Oh... come on now guys...Can't you handle a few Miggy's without helpypoo? Strap on some balls and just get it done man.... LOL

I don't need help....Let's take alook at the score;WOV/WOE combined total is 377 aircraft kills and 783 groundobject kills.I'm ranked General twice over! Helpypoo?Red Crown who?

[MigBuster 2,884]

I had several close calls with F-4's or F-8's in a hurry to get a MIG.

I flew EA-6A's and was on station jamming SAM and AAA radars.

We would get locked up by our own A2A fighter radars.

The wingman would go screaming by at warp 9 and tell the leader that we were friendly.

The leader was sitting about 1 mile behind on our six waiting to shoot.

We would then "politely" (LOL ) tell them who we were. Our callsign was Cottonpicker or Pigment (Pig).

The CAG's would get really upset if we were messed with.

 

Thats great info there - thanks for posting that.

[sonnie 0]

I don't need help....Let's take alook at the score;WOV/WOE combined total is 377 aircraft kills and 783 groundobject kills.I'm ranked General twice over! Helpypoo?Red Crown who?

 

 

BrigGen Sonny reporting for duty sir!!!!with all do respect sir, what can we do without our buddies sir??

 

 

we can't go out alone there to go busts some mig's sir!!!

 

but if u wanna go out there n busts your ass as well that's another case SIR!!!! or maybe u want to set the enemy AI to hard!!!

 

many pilots would've been killed with that motto

 

 

that's the truth we're not a universal soldier!!!

[F-4PhantomII 0]

Mavric could......

[WDH 0]

BrigGen Sonny reporting for duty sir!!!!with all do respect sir, what can we do without our buddies sir??

we can't go out alone there to go busts some mig's sir!!!

 

but if u wanna go out there n busts your ass as well that's another case SIR!!!! or maybe u want to set the enemy AI to hard!!!

 

many pilots would've been killed with that motto

that's the truth we're not a universal soldier!!!

AT EASE!Just having a little fun with the "MiGGys".I do have AI enemy maxed and even have the new SAM PAK.Wingman is there but,he's only recording kills every other mission.But,he keeps me busy protecting him and others. There not much todo....Besides dodging flak and SAMS.SIGH

[sonnie 0]

AT EASE!Just having a little fun with the "MiGGys".I do have AI enemy maxed and even have the new SAM PAK.Wingman is there but,he's only recording kills every other mission.But,he keeps me busy protecting him and others. There not much todo....Besides dodging flak and SAMS.SIGH

 

 

that's for sure!!!! my wingman always took a shots n bought some farms!!!

 

after that the whole goddamn miggy's goin' to hunt me down!!

 

with migs and sams at my six i'd better begone far2 away from em', no back up from red crown

[WDH 0]

As MONTY PYTON would advise..."Run Away!Run Away!"

[Caesar 305]

Now that'd be a great clip to replace the negative with!

 

"Wolfpack One, Red Crown, Run away! Run awaaaaaaaay!!!"