New Dassault Super Mystere cockpit almost finished

[+ordway]

Tired of flying the same, old standard A-4B cockpit in WOI for the Super Mystere?

 

New Dassault Super Mystere cockpit almost finished, based on actual photos.

 

The placards and instruments are in French (errr, as much as possible as it was correctly pointed out ).

 

 

It has a working lead computing gyro gunsight as per the French Wiki.

Edited March 6, 2008 by ordway

[+hgbn]

Looking great Have a spot reserved for it on my HD

[+76.IAP-Blackbird]

Looks good!

[+Stratos]

If not wrong the french are using meters to count the altitude not feet, anywayit looks gorgeous! Thank's

[+ordway]

If not wrong the french are using meters to count the altitude not feet, anywayit looks gorgeous! Thank's

 

Yes Stratos. The sim's limitations mean that if I put the word "meters" on the altimeter, then the instrument would still be registering in feet and you could be flying at 30,000 "meters" (90,000 feet!) if the altimeter read "30,000" (that is a little too much, even for a French Super Mystere, n'est-ce pas ?

 

However, if people want, I could probably write the words "meters" and "KPH" on the instruments anyway...any thoughts out there...I'm pretty easy.

[+Stratos]

Prefer the current one over flying at 30.000m :D

[+Gr.Viper]

Can't instruments' units be set up in pit's ini file?

[+Wrench]

Yes, they can. You'd need to edit the cockpit ini for each instruement' read out

 

This is from the A-4B's cockpit ini...

 

[AirspeedIndicator]

Type=AIRSPEED_INDICATOR

NodeName=needle_speedometer

MovementType=ROTATION_Y

ValueUnit=KNOTS <--- easy to change value type

Set[01].Position=0.0

Set[01].Value=0.0

Set[02].Position=31.5

Set[02].Value=80.0

Set[03].Position=75.0

Set[03].Value=100.0

Set[04].Position=133.5

Set[04].Value=150.0

Set[05].Position=188.0

Set[05].Value=200.0

Set[06].Position=279.5

Set[06].Value=400.0

Set[07].Position=341.0

Set[07].Value=600.0<-- the problem would be knowing what these translate too in KPH

 

Same for the altimeter, converting to meters

 

[Altimeter]

Type=PRESSURE_ALTIMETER_2

NodeName=needle_alt

CounterNodeFormat=alt_dig%d

MovementType=ROTATION_Y

ValueUnit=FEET <---

Set[01].Position=0.0

Set[01].Value=0.0

Set[02].Position=360.0

Set[02].Value=1000.0 hmmmm ... maybe not so difficult? 1 rotation = 1000 meters??

 

Of course the quick and easy cheat is to add this line to the AircraftData section, at the top the data ini..

 

UseMetricUnit=TRUE

 

It'll give the metric readout in the little info boxes. I thinks I mentioned this a few times in the KB on some aircraft tweeks

 

But, converstly, considering the age of the aircraft (meaning when it was built); wasn't the US system in play ie: Knots airspeed, feet altittude???

 

Just some thoughts...

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[+ordway]

Yes, they can. You'd need to edit the cockpit ini for each instruement' read out

 

This is from the A-4B's cockpit ini...

 

 

 

Same for the altimeter, converting to meters

 

 

 

Of course the quick and easy cheat is to add this line to the AircraftData section, at the top the data ini..

 

UseMetricUnit=TRUE

 

It'll give the metric readout in the little info boxes. I thinks I mentioned this a few times in the KB on some aircraft tweeks

 

But, converstly, considering the age of the aircraft (meaning when it was built); wasn't the US system in play ie: Knots airspeed, feet altittude???

 

Just some thoughts...

 

Wrench

kevin stein

 

Thanks...hmmmm I've got some investigating to do. I did not know that you could change the values like that. I know that the Germans used the metric system at that time and during WW2 for airspeed and altitude...good question... did the French?

[+Wrench]

Is the DME down there at the lower left??? I know I fiddled that for some of the MiGs using the Skyhawk pit. Very easy fix.

 

This is what you change to get the reading KMs...

 

(RangeCounter)

Type=RANGE_INDICATOR

CounterNodeFormat=distance_dig%d

MovementType=ANALOG_COUNTER

ValueUnit=KM

 

couldn't be easier...for THAT gauge, at least!

 

Fuel will still need recalibrating to KG; based on internal tankage??? This is right from my IDF MD-450, main tank only

 

(FuselageFuelCell)

SystemType=FUEL_TANK

FuelTankID=1

MaxFuelAmount=1073.7 total in KGs????

SelfHealing=FALSE

FireSuppression=FALSE

MinExtentPosition=-0.50,-0.50,-0.60

MaxExtentPosition= 0.50, 0.90, 0.90

-snipped armor data-

 

This is the bit that throws me for a loop..

 

(InternalFuelGauge)

Type=INETERNAL_FUEL_QUANTITY_INDICATOR

NodeName=needle_fuel

MovementType=ROTATION_Y

ValueUnit=LB <-- ???!!

Set[01].Position=-135.0

Set[01].Value=0.0

Set[02].Position=135.0

Set[02].Value=6000.0

 

Totaling up the Scooter's internal fuel tanks gives me 2489.36 KJG. Just bit shot of 6000 lbs??? (5488 lbs approx)

 

Then there's the mach meter, VVI, and one or 2 others maybe??

 

When you get it figured out, I'll be one of the first to d/l it!!! This kind of 'metric perversion' has been something needed for a loooooooong time. Until we, of course, get dedicated pits for some of these birds (thinking mostly of early Migs).

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[+hgbn]

Fluid in the metric system is nearly always measured in Liter aprox 1/4 gallon and a liter jet fuel dont weight 1 kg

 

1 Liter water is equal to 1 kg You need 3.8L for a Gallon to be exsact

Edited March 6, 2008 by hgbn

[+ordway]

Is the DME down there at the lower left??? I know I fiddled that for some of the MiGs using the Skyhawk pit. Very easy fix.

 

This is what you change to get the reading KMs...

 

 

 

couldn't be easier...for THAT gauge, at least!

 

Fuel will still need recalibrating to KG; based on internal tankage??? This is right from my IDF MD-450, main tank only

 

 

 

This is the bit that throws me for a loop..

 

 

 

Totaling up the Scooter's internal fuel tanks gives me 2489.36 KJG. Just bit shot of 6000 lbs??? (5488 lbs approx)

 

Then there's the mach meter, VVI, and one or 2 others maybe??

 

When you get it figured out, I'll be one of the first to d/l it!!! This kind of 'metric perversion' has been something needed for a loooooooong time. Until we, of course, get dedicated pits for some of these birds (thinking mostly of early Migs).

 

Wrench

kevin stein

 

Very interesting thread, Wrench...but oh well...I think you are right!!!!!! I have before me a color photo of a Mystere IV from the book "Cockpits of the Cold War" (Nijboer)...and shiver me timbers with a magnifying glass I see the words "height" "feet" and "knots" written on the instruments.

 

As a clincher, there is a French conversion placard written on the sidewall with the English word "altitude" converting feet ("pieds") to meters!

 

There's lots of "double" translations on equipment such as "Freins secours parking" for instance on the parking

break.

 

The gyro gunsight's ranging knob is listed in meters however (or "metres" as they write). For general information, I also see the words "traffic", "servo", "test", "cabine", "radio", "arret", "air", "panne", "tete, "poids"...whew, what a mish mash.

Edited March 7, 2008 by ordway

[+NeverEnough]

"This is right from my IDF MD-450, main tank only"

 

I did a search looking for Wrench's IDF MD-450 in the downloads section, in the knowledge base and on Wrench's site. Where can I find Wrench's IDF MD-450? There doesn't seem to be any skins for this bird other than those included with the aircraft download. I downloaded the aircraft model at C5's site.

[+Wrench]

To answer THAT question...

 

I made it me self. As per my instructions in the "Creating a Nation Specific Aircraft" in the Knowledge Base. Same as I did for the EAF Metors (F.4, F.8 - and NF.13 if I ever finish it) Mc-205, IDF Mustang, Spitfire, S-199 (ok, 109G10)....etc, etc, and of course, etc Also for the Mystre 4 (this is pre-WoI) and a host of others

 

Very simple data ini edits...leaving weapons as FRANCE,NATO. Top section of ini:

 

[MissionData]

NationName=Israel

ServiceStartYear=1956

ServiceEndYear=1980

AircraftRole=FIGHTER

AircraftCapability=DAY_ONLY

Availability=VERY_COMMON

Exported=FALSE

ExportStartYear=

ExportAvailability=

PrimaryRoles=SWEEP,CAP,INTERCEPT,ESCORT

SecondaryRoles=STRIKE,CAS,SEAD,ARMED_RECON,ANTI_SHIP,RECON

NormalMissionRadius=413

MaxMissionRadius=600

Ceiling=13000

MinBaseSize=SMALL

 

I'll give ya step-by-step, if you need it.

 

And there ya go!

Wrench

kevin stein

[Wilches]

SUPER!!! When it will be available? Stunning!!!

[+ordway]

Fluid in the metric system is nearly always measured in Liter aprox 1/4 gallon and a liter jet fuel dont weight 1 kg

 

1 Liter water is equal to 1 kg You need 3.8L for a Gallon to be exsact

 

 

Time to recalculate again. Here is a huge cockpit photo (2736 x 3648) that shows the Super Mystere's fuel (I believe) being measured in units of "KGx 100".

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/17350451@N08/...508449/sizes/o/

[+ordway]

SUPER!!! When it will be available? Stunning!!!

 

Hmmm, this thread has started me digging up more and more details/photos' information that keep conflicting with eachother. I was was planning on releasing it this weekend...now maybe next week.

[+Wrench]

Here's a link to the IDF Ouragan in the Knowledge Base, the new WoI mods Forum:

 

IDF MD-450

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[+Crusader]

hey..

the french use knots and feet ! :ph34r:

[+ordway]

hey..

the french use knots and feet ! :ph34r:

 

Just to update any interested people. I need to start again almost from scratch on the Super Mystere cockpit...it was correctly pointed out to me by Wrench that Zur's F-86 Sabre cockpit is closer to the square, horizontally-instrument-aligned Super Mystere cockpit then to the round A-4 one.

 

But the earlier Ouragan and Mystere cockpits seem closer (to me) to the A-4 cockpit with its more vertical placement instrument layout and roundness. I will try to make those as well, I have already started them as well. It will take until the end of March or so I would guess. "If you're going to do it, you might as well do it right".