+Corktip_14 Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 A long awaited bird (for me at least), thanks a lot guys! Quote
kukulino Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 Better and better :yes: Mmm, love that AmokFloos schute I am missing one on Mig-21R WIP But no way how import it Quote
Kirsten Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 Ausgezeichnet meine Herrschaften !!!!! Auf geht's... Aju, Derk Quote
Viggen Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 Brake Chute! Awsome! Nice job German Model Group! Quote
+Julhelm Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 Fix the smoothing groups on the droptank fins by applying a different group on each side. That'll eliminate the dark edges. Quote
+76.IAP-Blackbird Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 I think those are the orig drop tanks.. they are not created by GMG Quote
+Soulfreak Posted August 19, 2008 Author Posted August 19, 2008 I think those are the orig drop tanks.. they are not created by GMG yes that are the original F-84F Droptanks. The droptankskins are from my Thunderstreak Skin-pack... Quote
michael davies Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 I´m proud to present you the 1st offical project from the German Modder Group. The RF-84F Thunderflash Original model by Alphasim. The GMG brought the Model in the SF & WO Serie and repaimted it completely. Release will be in one or two weeks (no Joke) Dear sir, Can you please tell me who gave you permission to modifiy the Alphasim RF-84G please ?, and where did you get the source files from please ?. The Alphsism RF-84G was made freeware to Sim Outhouse forums only and only to that site, it is not permitted to be modified or uploaded to any other site or sim. I look forward to your reply and explanations. Best regards Michael Davies Alphasim RF-84G owner. Quote
+Soulfreak Posted August 19, 2008 Author Posted August 19, 2008 (edited) Dear sir, Can you please tell me who gave you permission to modifiy the Alphasim RF-84G please ?, and where did you get the source files from please ?. The Alphsism RF-84G was made freeware to Sim Outhouse forums only and only to that site, it is not permitted to be modified or uploaded to any other site or sim. I look forward to your reply and explanations. Best regards Michael Davies Alphasim RF-84G owner. Hi Michael, i´ve send on July the 5th 2008 an email to: alphasim1atalphasim.co.uk the awnser is includet from Phil (AlphaSim Ltd.) read it from the bottom to Top. I hope there will be no Problems. till now i think it is ok, cause we had ask alphasim... . Sure, no problem ! Best regards, Phil, AlphaSim Ltd ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlo Vecchi To: alphasim1@alphasim.co.uk Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 7:45 PM Subject: Alphasim Freewre RF-84F Thunderstreak Hallo Alphasim-Team! First i want to thank you for your great work on all your Models for MS-Flightsimulator. Keep it up!!! On the 2nd point i´ve got a question to you. Will you allow me to convert the Freeware RF-84F Thunderstreak for the Thirdwire simulation series, and release it as Freeware please? Regards, Carlo Vecchi we don´t have the source-files. All animations and the 3D-converting were done by our team. Carlo Edited August 19, 2008 by Soulfreak Quote
Muesli Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Dear sir, Can you please tell me who gave you permission to modifiy the Alphasim RF-84G please ?, and where did you get the source files from please ?. The Alphsism RF-84G was made freeware to Sim Outhouse forums only and only to that site, it is not permitted to be modified or uploaded to any other site or sim. I look forward to your reply and explanations. Best regards Michael Davies Alphasim RF-84G owner. It seems somebody didn't do his homework properly..... Quote
michael davies Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 (edited) Hi,i´ve send on July the 5th 2008 an email to: alphasim1atalphasim.co.uk the awnser is includet from Phil (AlphaSim Ltd. Sure, no problem ! Best regards, Phil, AlphaSim Ltd ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlo Vecchi To: alphasim1@alphasim.co.uk Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 7:45 PM Subject: Alphasim Freewre RF-84F Thunderstreak Hallo Alphasim-Team! First i want to thank you for your great work on all your Models for MS-Flightsimulator. Keep it up!!! On the 2nd point i´ve got a question to you. Will you allow me to convert the Freeware RF-84F Thunderstreak for the Thirdwire simulation series, and release it as Freeware please? Regards, Carlo Vecchi we don´t have the source-files. All animations and the 3D-converting were done by our team. Carlo Thank you for your reply, however Phil does not own the model I do, it is my model sold through Alphasim, he does not have the authority to let you convert the model with out my permission. Once the model is released as freeware then Alphasim have no ownership of the parts that belong to me, that is the model and the paints, Phil only has permission to the panel, sounds or gauges, not the model. If you open the aircraft cfg files you will see that I am the author of the model and the paints, Not Phil Perrot of Alphasim, I cannot understand how you have modified the RF-84 with out the source files, the only possible way is that you have the source files or have reverse engineed the model, either way, neither is permitted I am sorry to say he has allowed access where he does not have authority. Best regards Michael Edited August 19, 2008 by michael davies Quote
michael davies Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 It seems somebody didn't do his homework properly..... On the contrary I have done my homework, modifying files or my models for any other sim except MSFS is strictly forbidden, Phil at Alphasim has acted incorrectly and has been informed so. Permission to move the RF-84 or any of my models from MSFS freeware or payware is strictly forbidden, my files, my permission. Best regards Michael Quote
+Soulfreak Posted August 19, 2008 Author Posted August 19, 2008 Thank you for your reply, however Phil does not own the model I do, it is my model sold through Alphasim, he does not have the authority to let you convert the model with out my permission. Once the model is released as freeware then Alphasim have no ownership of the parts that belong to me, that is the model and the paints, Phil only has permission to the panel, sounds or gauges, not the model. If you open the aircraft cfg files you will see that I am the author of the model and the paints, Not Phil Perrot of Alphasim, I am sorry to say he has allowed access where he does not have authority. Best regards Michael I´m very Sorry Michael, that i do not know!!! After the ok from Alphasim i haven´t checkt the files, cause i´m not a 3D-Guy. We don´t want to steel your work. May be Michael, can you please give us your permission to use your great model as a Freeware add on for the TK-Series? Of course all Credits will go to you!! I think it would be very sad, when this project must die, only of this little difference. We have spend many days to do the converting and the animatins paintjobs (they are all complete new, cause the bitmap layout has complete changed). Best regards Carlo Quote
+Soulfreak Posted August 19, 2008 Author Posted August 19, 2008 It seems somebody didn't do his homework properly..... sometimes its better to say nothing, when you don´t know all facts. Quote
+Dave Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 sometimes its better to say nothing, when you don´t know all facts. Agreed, Muesli keep comments to yourself on this matter. Carlo and Michael Can you take this a PM and CC me in this so we can get this matter resolved? Thank you. Quote
+Soulfreak Posted August 19, 2008 Author Posted August 19, 2008 Agreed, Muesli keep comments to yourself on this matter. Carlo and Michael Can you take this a PM and CC me in this so we can get this matter resolved? Thank you. sure dave! np Quote
michael davies Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Agreed, Muesli keep comments to yourself on this matter. Carlo and Michael Can you take this a PM and CC me in this so we can get this matter resolved? Thank you. Agreed, lets see if we can sort this out the right way with the right people. Best regards Michael Quote
Muesli Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 (edited) Guys.... I stand corrected! Was too quick with the remark. And ehm, something else.... I am happy to have released a full skin for the F-84F, based on the good work of Column5 and the Mirage Factory. In case you people are thinking of including a Dutch strike element I hereby grant that person permission to add this into any campaign, pack or mod in the future! Details: F-84F Thunderstreaks in Dutch service were all produced in US fiscal years 1952 and 1953, but were built in 1955 and 1956. In their early years, the Streaks flew with the "old" style squadron letter codes common to WEU practice.It was abandoned in favour of a plane related code beginning with the letter P, followed by 3 numbers ranging between 101 and 300. Squadron emblems and USA construction number were on the tail. The F-84F was in Dutch service from 08-1955 till 02-1971. The particular squadron (311) is based at Volkel and their primary task was bombing, recce and air defence. They had the F-84F from 1955 till 1965, after which they received the first F-104G Starfighters in Dutch service. Go see: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autoc...p;showfile=7167 thanks, and again: Sorry! Muesli Edited August 19, 2008 by muesli Quote
Silverbolt Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 It seems it's just a missunderstanding.... i hope all solve fine via PM or Email, IMHO i don't think here is a properly place to discuiss this kind of subject. Quote
kukulino Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 (edited) Nice work muesli Really nice skin for European skies :yes: And hope that all troubles about recce F-84 will be solved too. Do not let die this great recce project guys, please :cray: Edited August 19, 2008 by kukulino Quote
+Soulfreak Posted August 19, 2008 Author Posted August 19, 2008 It seems it's just a missunderstanding.... No misunderstanding, just an awnser from somebody who can´t give permission of Michaels Model. and now i hope you will stop any comments in this threat, until Michael or I give you an update here. Peace Quote
Silverbolt Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 No misunderstanding, just an awnser from somebody whocan´t give permission of Michaels Model. and now i hope you will stop any comments in this threat, until Michael or I give you an update here. Peace ops, i haven't look in second page.... btw, yes Missunderstand of who gave permission. Quote
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