+Typhoid 231 Posted August 20, 2009 if there is real evidence that this piece of human debris was not involved in the bombing, it needs to be presented in a hearing. Unsubstantiated references to the alleged existence of some "evidence" or "doubt" is merely an empty assertion without such a hearing. so if there is cause for review of the findings of a trial, put up or shut up. It is noteable that here in the US, the entire political spectrum is revolted by this travesty. Even The Audacious One is critical of this release in the face of the evidence presented at the trial. So when the entire political spectrum of this country is revolted by the despicable cowardice in the face of the murder of 270 innocent people, you who express doubt in the guilt of the guilty should take note. but if that's how Scotland wants to play this............... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SayethWhaaaa 245 Posted August 21, 2009 but if that's how Scotland wants to play this............... I don't think it's Scotland per se, but I think the doubt stemmed from US officials at the time were pushing to get a conviction, make an example that should someone commit a crime as heinous as this, the full weight of the US's judicial might would be thrown at them (It wasn't just US political interference, Whitehall has been accused of that too but seems to be the US who's getting it the most.) I can understand their motivations for wanting to bring him to justice and so quickly, but there are UN observers who say that political influence affected almost every aspect of the trial and prosecution and in some cases took precedence over the rule of law. That a key witness(s?) was unreliable at least. I mean, if he is a responsible party, hang him high, if he's not, then "Brotherly Leader" would have ensured we'll never find who is. There is one little thing that I can't seem to shake. K, say I commit a particularly nasty crime, I go to trial, I get sentenced for life, how is it there can be talk of me getting paroled in 20 years?? I thought life was exactly that -- Life. I don't understand this bit of the guy's sentence. How can he have been expected to serve at least 20 years of his sentence before being paroled? I though once you got life, that's it, you aren't coming out unless it's in a body bag in a coroner's wagon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Dave 2,318 Posted August 21, 2009 Oh the news was just lovely, gave him a heroes welcome. A leopard never changes it spot. Good job Scotland! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fallenphoenix1986 603 Posted August 21, 2009 Oh the news was just lovely, gave him a heroes welcome. A leopard never changes it spot. Good job Scotland! Not Scotland... I certainly dont remember being asked! As to the reports of 6/10 of the UK popullation believing he is inocent, I've yet to speak to one person that thinks he should have been released. Some retartd at the top decided to relese him not the Scottish people. Yes there may well have been "issues" with the trial however if that was the reason behind his release why the hell did it take 10 years and a failed apeal. Also Saywhat, sadly the term "Life" in the UK means nothing of the sort. There have been cases of convicted murderers being back on the street within 4 years thanks to "first offence", "good behaviour" or overcrowding. The whole system is bursting at the seams and the gov. is to tight fisted/retarded to build more prisons. Craig Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Dave 2,318 Posted August 21, 2009 Not Scotland... I certainly dont remember being asked!As to the reports of 6/10 of the UK popullation believing he is inocent, I've yet to speak to one person that thinks he should have been released. Some retartd at the top decided to relese him not the Scottish people. Yes there may well have been "issues" with the trial however if that was the reason behind his release why the hell did it take 10 years and a failed apeal. Also Saywhat, sadly the term "Life" in the UK means nothing of the sort. There have been cases of convicted murderers being back on the street within 4 years thanks to "first offence", "good behaviour" or overcrowding. The whole system is bursting at the seams and the gov. is to tight fisted/retarded to build more prisons. Craig Scottish Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill, who announced the release, said although al-Megrahi had not shown compassion to his victims — many of whom were American college students flying home to New York for Christmas — MacAskill was motivated by Scottish values to show mercy. Let me rephrase that, not Scotland, but that moron. MacAskill was motivated by Scottish values to show mercy. Guess the guy doesn't know about Scottish history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emp_Palpatine 501 Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) if there is real evidence that this piece of human debris was not involved in the bombing, it needs to be presented in a hearing. Unsubstantiated references to the alleged existence of some "evidence" or "doubt" is merely an empty assertion without such a hearing. so if there is cause for review of the findings of a trial, put up or shut up. I'm not saying Libya and that guy are innocent. I can't go and won't further than what you can find in papers or studies when digging a little bit, but some hypothesis are actually facts. More details and facts expose me to some clearance papers I signed... I frankly don't know about Libya's role and this guy innocence. What I'm sure of is that Gaddafi was furious to be scapegoated alone for this, leaving the two other bastards alone. That's perfectly the sort of thing the bastard hates, and when the Nurses were in his jails, he permanently linked their fates with Meghrahi's. It's pretty obvious: they waited two years to jam the tracks in the eye of the opinion, but his release is clearly an exchange for the nurses. It is noteable that here in the US, the entire political spectrum is revolted by this travesty. Even The Audacious One is critical of this release in the face of the evidence presented at the trial. So when the entire political spectrum of this country is revolted by the despicable cowardice in the face of the murder of 270 innocent people, you who express doubt in the guilt of the guilty should take note. but if that's how Scotland wants to play this............... Hell... nobody cares here. It's frightening, I'm really concerned about my country mental sanity. That's perhaps because we got our own Lockerbie above the Tenere desert, see UTA Flight 772 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTA_Flight_772) I saw when I was in Libya the guy responsible in a toy shop almost next to me... can't really describe the feeling... Edited August 21, 2009 by Emp_Palpatine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emp_Palpatine 501 Posted August 21, 2009 There is one little thing that I can't seem to shake. K, say I commit a particularly nasty crime, I go to trial, I get sentenced for life, how is it there can be talk of me getting paroled in 20 years?? I thought life was exactly that -- Life. I don't understand this bit of the guy's sentence. How can he have been expected to serve at least 20 years of his sentence before being paroled? I though once you got life, that's it, you aren't coming out unless it's in a body bag in a coroner's wagon. Welcome to Europe's justice... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaverickMike 10 Posted August 21, 2009 I though once you got life, that's it, you aren't coming out unless it's in a body bag in a coroner's wagon. A 'Life' sentence here in the UK is a sentence of 25 years. Don't ask me why its called life when your serving but a fraction of what is conceived to be a lifetime. IMHO life should mean life. Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emp_Palpatine 501 Posted August 21, 2009 Same here. But you have to take away the paroled time and such. So, most of the time is closer to 15 years... At least, Spanish or US system with centuries of sentence (see Maddof) are usefull in order to keep prisonners in, despite parole and stuffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emp_Palpatine 501 Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) Regarding the guy's welcome in Libya: http://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/video/2009/0...30812_3212.html From what I can see, the plane landed at Meitiga, that is now a strictly military/government airfield. So, the welcome party isn't from Tripoli inhabitants that aren't allowed in such areas. It's confirmed by the flags, portraits and such. People didn't wait for Megrahi for years with ready to use portraits. Actually, when I was there, normal libyan guys couldn't have cared less about that guy. Such preparation is the mark of the regime. And finally these welcome party guys are wearing green or white and green baseball caps, a trademark from the regime's stalwarts from the revolutionnaries commitees: basically the henchmen used to controll the population, spy on people in the street or at home and for "on demand" demonstrations like this one. So, no Tripoli inhabitants there, only dozens of revolutionnary comitees members eager to do what they are ordered to. It's sure a small compensation for us all, but I think we musn't be deceived: it's a false hero welcome. It's just a show with a few minor actor to take revenge by enraging western TV and it's also organised for the state TV for propaganda purpose. People back there don't care about Megrahi's fate. They just want to live their live, avoid Qaddafi's security services and jails (or worse) and now that he is somewhat calmed down, forget about what he did to the country, to people around the world and to Libya's reputation. Well, it's a shame for all the Colonel was missed by that LGB back in 1986... Edited August 21, 2009 by Emp_Palpatine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Planejunky 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Well, it's a shame for all the Colonel was missed by that LGB back in 1986... Ain't that the truth, though the boys of the 48th gave it a damn good try! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bwild 5 Posted August 21, 2009 A 'Life' sentence here in the UK is a sentence of 25 years. Don't ask me why its called life when your serving but a fraction of what is conceived to be a lifetime. IMHO life should mean life. Mike That is one of the few things I like about the Dutch legal system, life really is life. There is no parole board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Planejunky 0 Posted August 22, 2009 That is one of the few things I like about the Dutch legal system, life really is life. There is no parole board. I'm moving to the Netherlands! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eraser_tr 29 Posted August 22, 2009 Saying "forget human rights" is scary as hell, we might as well just go back to Hammurabi's code that these people still use. Does upholding human rights mean he should be released simply because he's sick, F**K NO! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...ddafis-son.html Shady much? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
herman01 0 Posted August 30, 2009 To add to what eraser_tr said above. It seems to be coming clear what the ulterior motives were in this situation. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6814939.ece Money trumps all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JediMaster 451 Posted August 31, 2009 Well, in this case something more precious than money! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
