Return of the Falklands

[Dogzero1 16]

I thought it was British Policy to make the world England................?

 

[JediMaster 451]

Let's not forget Cuba is only 90 miles from the USA, but we gave it up almost 100 years ago. Granted it is independent and not a Spanish possession again, but I don't know if the Falklands' inhabitants really desire independence. At any rate, their desires should take precedence over others.

[Dogzero1 16]

Let's not forget Cuba is only 90 miles from the USA, but we gave it up almost 100 years ago. Granted it is independent and not a Spanish possession again, but I don't know if the Falklands' inhabitants really desire independence. At any rate, their desires should take precedence over others.

 

You kept some of it though. The best part. That nice camp for putting our enemies in. Thanks.

Edited February 24, 2010 by Dogzero1

[shotdown 8]

Let's not forget Cuba is only 90 miles from the USA, but we gave it up almost 100 years ago. Granted it is independent and not a Spanish possession again, but I don't know if the Falklands' inhabitants really desire independence. At any rate, their desires should take precedence over others.

 

Well Spain owned Cuba (and a greater area of USA than England) before USA even existed. So, perhaps it should be Cuba (or Mexico) the one claiming ownership of USA, and not the other way around.

 

 

1 - ANALYSIS OF PROXIMITY

 

 

 

Unfortunately Sidewinder, proximity analysis (or whatever other analysis) really means nothing when you add firepower analysis to the mix.

Edited February 24, 2010 by shotdown

[Sidevvinder 43]

Well, I like to discuss a little with you, but always in the context of mutual respect as has been done and also seriously that we are using.

But I do not understand a comment without any argument that says USAFMTL KEEP THE FALKLANDS BRITISH! Less than coming from a forum moderator and a country that has nothing to do with it.

 

As to what the fellow said Silverboult.

Currently the Argentine government continues to claim the Falklands to court house following the same arguments, so I do not think this is not real.

Maybe different constitutions of both countries and hence the difference.

 

Mig Buster, Argentina as limistrofes countries formed the Viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plata and the Viceroyalty were the South Atlantic islands.

 

DogZero not understand your comment at all and frankly I think your country a country of colonies. A single example will suffice, AFRICA

 

Tenes toda la razon ShotDawn the world alone when talking about England.

 

And I would leave them a video similar to DogZero:

 

 

In the same context of DogZero on your video, I tell you seek information from the Patricians, the Argentine army repelled 1800 that no one if not both parts of UK invasions. It is true that video XD Whitelock. If you are looking for information and then tell me who is Whitolocke the great commander who was sent off with boiling oil in the City of Buenos Aires.

[+Dave 2,322]

Sidevvinder

 

That was my attempt at sarcasm from the saying that took place back then. Bottom line, its Chavez trying to start crap between 2 countries that have moved on from that conflict. Which is what I said in my next post. It's really a non issue because we all know Chavez is a nut job.

[Sidevvinder 43]

Oh sorry misunderstood, this translator sucks.

Chavez has really left-wing thoughts.

In summary, it can make an equation.

 

Capitalism = BAD

U.S. = BAD

 

if same thing happens that is sarcasm ami not misunderstand ..

 

The Sadly our President, is a mess and apparently follows in the footsteps of Chavez.

The thing that being a member of a political party for the workers inevitably a socialist. and simulitudes there with chavez.

Eye socialism in South America that is widely accepted not to be confused with communism, which also here is fairly accepted by supporters of extreme left.

 

PS: In Argentina, most people do not want much but much too, for being sympathetic to the discover of what he calls "EL IMPERIO"

 

Greetings!

[+SkippyBing 8]

I don't know if the Falklands' inhabitants really desire independence. At any rate, their desires should take precedence over others.

 

Which is also the position of the UN, self-determination of the inhabitants is the over-riding principle. Geography is essentially irrelevant as far as they're concerned, otherwise by an extension of the Argentine logic France could claim the UK as her territory as it's on the European continental shelf.

 

As for people saying the UK is a country of colonies, you must be using a very old atlas as the few remaining specks of the empire are all territories who's inhabitants want to remain part of the UK.

Edited February 25, 2010 by SkippyBing

[SayethWhaaaa 245]

Who gives a flying f**k about what Chavez has to say? We all know it's going to be Anti-Western in it's nature. Of course he's going to add his two cents whether we want to hear it or not. I mean, it's like asking what Bin Laden's opinion is? We know it's gonna be "Down with the imperialist (insert first world nation here) because (insert diatribe here). It's old news. The Argentine government have stated they won't raise arms against the Falklands/Malvinas, maybe issue some ecconomic 'fees' for British shipping over the sovereignty issue, but whenever I've heard the reports from the Beeb, most citizens they've spoken to in the UK and Argentine mainlands have prety much expressed opinions that they wouldn't expect much, if anything to happen. Except for the Islanders and your bog standard Nationalists. That seems to be where the majority of the sabre rattling seems to be coming from when I hear it in the news, and most of that Nationalist sentiment isn't Argentine in origin. The Argentines are in no position to re-take those islands, politically (it's a democratically elected government), economically (Argentine economy is still in an awful place) and the FAA would have to re-equip drastically just to take on the 4 Eurofighters that arrived there at the end of last year. Plus, as AFM has demonstrated twice since 2006 (I'm pretty sure...), even if it wasn't involved in Iraq and Afghanistan wars, they would be unable to mount another Operation Corporate due to the post Cold War military wind down.

[Sidevvinder 43]

I repeat, the islanders estimated SkippyBing course he wants to be British, because they have a good current situation. One of the best states of life.

Nor should the Islanders also say, we are not electing a president.

With regard to the UN, the same Lula DaSilva stated the following. UK is the country that brings in the UN armed forces and one of its members for life, not be that maybe the UN should support him to keep UK's interests?

I have an atlas of old, and if so fond colonies being under the English government became independent Why?

From what I understand the Irish government were never welcome her ..

 

Before going to sleep, I leave a story, Repsol YPF a Firm that was initially privatized state and then, since posting that install a platform on the seaward side Argentino to extract oil from the same basin that the discovery a few weeks ago .

 

And apparently will have more gain, because not many taxes will be charged for entering Argentine ports.

 

Greetings!

 

PS: Say what, you have every reason in the world in your raises ;)

[ZeroFilth 3]

i remember histories about the falklands , some of the sea patrol craft used by Argentina were actually borrowed from Brazilian Air Force (i'm brazilian by the way)

 

Those were P-95 Bandeirulhas. An Emb-120 Brasilia variant designed for sea patrol, sub hunting and so...

 

There was even a history about a Vulcan bomber being intercepted by Brazilian pilots , no shots fired though, it was only scorted out of Brazil's air space.

 

Surely no chance a military action will be taken, it would be too costy and too risky for Agentina, neither way, it's military force isn't even close to the necessary to take on a fight there...

[Silverbolt 104]

i remember histories about the falklands , some of the sea patrol craft used by Argentina were actually borrowed from Brazilian Air Force (i'm brazilian by the way)

 

Those were P-95 Bandeirulhas. An Emb-120 Brasilia variant designed for sea patrol, sub hunting and so...

 

There was even a history about a Vulcan bomber being intercepted by Brazilian pilots , no shots fired though, it was only scorted out of Brazil's air space.

 

Surely no chance a military action will be taken, it would be too costy and too risky for Agentina, neither way, it's military force isn't even close to the necessary to take on a fight there...

 

well, i don't want bring this back again but....

 

1- the P-95 was useless, besides the low range and small patroll time , britishes scrapped the ARA Belgrano.

2-Vulcan was scorted in our airspace to the Galeão Air Force Base in Rio de Janeiro.

[ZeroFilth 3]

Yeah i know it was useless , they weren't meant to that task in the first place , but they had to fill the gap somehow

The Belgrano was just a giant target, that's a fact !

 

About the Vulcan , i didn't know that he actually landed ^^

I thought the F-5's just scorted him out...

[+SkippyBing 8]

I have an atlas of old, and if so fond colonies being under the English government became independent Why?

 

As I said, the territories that want to remain part of the UK, have done and the ones that wanted to be independent are. In fact in some cases we may have left too quickly before a sustainable government was established, but ultimately it's far to expensive to maintain colonies whose inhabitants don't want you there.

Hence the colonies we do still have want to remain British, seriously go to the Falklands and ask the inhabitants whether they'd rather be under Argentine or British rule.

[jayo 0]

This maybe just heresay but is there any truth in Venezuela pledging (military?) support for Argentina?

[+Piecemeal 450]

I have an atlas of old, and if so fond colonies being under the English government became independent Why?

From what I understand the Irish government were never welcome her ..

 

 

 

Being a modern history fan, I've watched this subject with interest up to now but I feel I have to voice an opinion.

 

Yes, Ireland fought a guerilla war against the British to regain independence, which it received for the most part in 1921. The north of the country, which was mostly pro-British, stayed within the British sphere and was renamed what we now know as Northern Ireland.

With regard to Northern Ireland; yes there has been up to recently a long and bloody conflict between both communities up there. Both being pro- Republic (known as Republicans and Nationalists - who wish for the North to become part of the Republic) and pro-British (known as Loyalists and Unionists - who wish to remain part of the UK). The conflict eventually ended in the late 1990s and politics has taken over. Even both political sides have formed a Government together. Also, in the last ten years or so, the Irish and British governments held a referendum in both states of the island of Ireland to decide (and here is my point) what the people on both sides of the border wanted - for either Northern Ireland to stay part of the UK or to be become a part of the Republic of Ireland. The majority of people on both states on this island voted for the North to remain a part of the UK. Yes; there's still some people who aren't happy with the result, but at the end of the day the wishes of the majority have to be respected.

So without wishing to get into a heated debate with anyone; THAT is my point. At the end of the day, the PEOPLE decided the future of Northern Ireland. The same should apply to the Falklands/Malvinas.

Edited February 26, 2010 by Piecemeal

[+Dave 2,322]

Right on Piecemeal.

[+Piecemeal 450]

In a nutshell:

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http://www.youtube.c...h?v=I9OgEGJzZ3o

Edited February 26, 2010 by Piecemeal

[Sidevvinder 43]

Piecemeal of course that today are consolidated and united nations. The same happened here with Argentina and Chile.

 

But there's no need to have an old atlas, because it was in 1990.

Also you are right.

 

I leave you a story that already has been highly controversial, Chavez spoke again.

 

Great Britain had sent a submarine to the Malvinas, as the British press published

The British government will increase its military presence in the Malvinas by sending a submarine, the Times published. He further stressed that air defenses were "silently" enhanced with next-generation aircraft.

 

The British government will reinforce its military presence in the Falkland Islands by sending a submarine to the archipelago, according to newspaper published Monday

London's The Times, citing administration sources of Gordon Brown.

Depending on the version, the sumbarino is now "available" to reinforce the "routine military presence" in the area, although not yet arrived in the Argentine Sea waters around the Malvinas.

Moreover, the British Defense Ministry confirmed that the frigate HMS York will remain in the Philippines in the coming months.

The Times further noted that the air defenses in the Malvinas were "silently" reinforced by sending four Typhoon jets, the latest generation.

In an opinion piece, the newspaper noted that "while Britain may be diplomatically weaker, the islands are much stronger militarily than before."

It was noted that there are currently Malvinas "thousand" troops, an air base, four jets of war that can be operated in "fifteen minutes" and a "sophisticated electronic system alerts".

According to the newspaper, that infrastructure represents a "formidable" defense against any "possible invader."

In assessing the international position of Britain over the conflict, the newspaper says the country has "good grounds" to keep the management of the islands.

Anyway, the newspaper admitted that, unlike what happened with the 1982 war, now in Latin America was united in favor of Argentina.

And he also acknowledged that "the diplomatic climate has changed so much against the colonial enclaves, although there are other examples, it is easy to portray" the islands as "an outdated anomaly.

At the diplomatic level, indicated that Gordon Brown's government will await the submission that Argentina held today at the UN before deciding a course of action in the Malvinas dispute.

British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said that "British sovereignty" over the islands was "absolutely clear in terms of international law, no question about it."

He said it began oil exploration in the region is in accordance with international law, arguing that the islanders have the "right" to "build their own economic future.

Meanwhile, The Times noted that the U.S. State Department will not let it be known that "position" regarding sovereignty claims by both countries.

[Silverbolt 104]

This maybe just heresay but is there any truth in Venezuela pledging (military?) support for Argentina?

 

no way, even if they do, they will became defenseless .

 

really, Venezuela is about 3000 or 4000 km away from nearst argentina point , there is no posibly way they can help.

[ZeroFilth 3]

And besides that, they're all talk, no way they'd do something like military help to argentina in that situation...

In the first sight of trouble, they'd turn tail and hide...

[SayethWhaaaa 245]

In the first sight of trouble, they'd turn tail and hide...

 

Says who? That's what was said about the Taliban. Would you want to risk something like that? Besides, are there actually people in the region who would want his his support given what association with someone like Chavez does to a nation's international reputation and trade balances? The economy will always be foremost on the minds of national leaders. Leaders who screw it up suddenly find themselves out of a job very quickly...

Edited February 27, 2010 by Say What?!

[ZeroFilth 3]

The taliban had more fiber than Chavez will never have.

Even if he came with some kind of military support, what good brings him ?

He'll be wasting money of his country defending interests of a allie with no gain in mind ?

Argentina has much more to gain from this than anyone would have, but considering what the result would be, it simply doesn't justifies the sacrifice.

[+SkippyBing 8]

British Defense Ministry confirmed that the frigate HMS York will remain in the Philippines in the coming months.

 

It's seriously lost then!

[Derk 265]

In a nutshell:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=I9OgEGJzZ3o

 

 

 

Hey Peacemeal, I must say you centainly look Irish on your picture !!!!!

 

Hou doe,

 

Derk

Edited February 27, 2010 by Derk