+elephant Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 Ernst Udet's LO inscription, on the sides of his planes, from September '17, was dedicated to his, fiancee then and later wife, Eleanore Zink. But have you actually seen her before? I didn't... Greg vanWyngarden posted a picture of them both, at the 'drome today that I found most interesting. Here it is: Quote
Hauksbee Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 A very pretty girl! And is that a Siemens-Schukert that he's sitting in? ('turns out that it is. When I went to check the spelling, there was a gallery of S-S planes. I started to browse, and guess what...?) Quote
UK_Widowmaker Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 Yes, very attractive young Woman... She obviously liked 'Daring Pilot's' I somehow think that OFF (regardless of how superb it is) would not particularly endear us to her sadly! Quote
blackbaron427 Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 how good was Siemens-Schukert compaired to other planes, never heard of it before? Quote
+Hasse Wind Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 I've seen her pic before. She's definitely pretty, but those late 19th century - early 20th century hairstyles for women are definitely not. If Udet had been a modern pilot, it would have been LOL!, not LO! Quote
Hauksbee Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 In the film, "The Great Waldo Pepper", Redford is chatting up Susan Sarandon, telling her how the great German Ace, Ernst Kessler (Udet) had the name of his girlfriend, Lola, painted on his plane. I had always assumed a kernel of history in that, and that LO! probably stood for 'Lola'. Now we see that his fiance' was Eleanore. Does anyone know if 'Lola' or 'Lo', was a pet name for Eleanore? Quote
UK_Widowmaker Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 I've seen her pic before. She's definitely pretty, but those late 19th century - early 20th century hairstyles for women are definitely not. If Udet had been a modern pilot, it would have been LOL!, not LO! I agree...though, to be fair..the Men were little better Quote
+Olham Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 Does anyone know if 'Lola' or 'Lo', was a pet name for Eleanore? Yes, Udet used this shortage for Eleanore. She looks a bit shy, intelligent, sensitive - a woman with depth probably. The Siemens-Schuckert D.III and D.IV had an incredibly good climb and were therefor great interceptors. Despite engine-problems, they are regarded to be among the best fighters of WW 1. Quote
shredward Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) You are quite right Olham, but not quite in the way that you think. The SSW was actually the result of a brilliant scheme by Allied back room boffins. They secretly designed the a/c, and slipped the plans onto a desk at Idflieg, and Idflieg took the bait, and ordered it into production. They hoped that it would become the next mainstay German fighter, and it almost was. JG2 was well on the way to being completely re-equipped with it, until the engines started to fail, one after the other. End result; JG2 was pretty much out of business for the better part of a month. If only Idflieg had completely taken the bait and re-equipped the entire Luftstreitkrafte at the same time, the entire air service would have been grounded, the war would have been over, and that world that they promised us when we were kids - the one where none of us ever had to work, and we were all zooming around on space scooters, would have come to pass. Opportunity missed. shredward Edited January 28, 2012 by shredward Quote
Capitaine Vengeur Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 The habit of naming fighter planes after girlfriends/ fiancées/ wives seems to have been common at many German aces in the WW2 Luftwaffe, as for Erich Hartmann's "Usch" or "Ursel" (on a red heart with arrow), Gerhard Barkhorn's "Christl", or Josef Priller's "Jutta" (on an ace of hearts card). Glad that an assumed "macho man" like Charles Nungesser didn't conform to the same tradition, or his Nieuport would have been covered in dozens of names of deceived fiancées, passing groupies, and various common whores! Quote
shredward Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 Nungesser! Now there was a fighter pilot Quote
+Olham Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 Damn, what did they pour into your drink today, Shredward??? I know that the Siemens-Schuckert D.III showed engine problems after some flying hours, but that was due to a synthetic oil to replace the castor oil Germany didn't have enough of. Capitaine, that could have been an interesting aircraft skin indeed of Nungesser. Quote
shredward Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) Damn, what did they pour into your drink today, Shredward??? I know that the Siemens-Schuckert D.III showed engine problems after some flying hours, but that was due to a synthetic oil to replace the castor oil Germany didn't have enough of. Too much mix! What engine problems? No engine, no problem. You see my dear Olham, it's all in how you look at it. Engine seizes, we all go to the beach for the afternoon, then to the Kasino.And keep doing that until they give us nice new DVIIs. However long that takes. Have a nice war! Cheers, shredward Edited January 28, 2012 by shredward Quote
+Olham Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 Damn, I see you fought down your hangover by starting with the last drink again? Quote
carrick58 Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 I was told that the U.S. Navy Guys did the the same thing in WWI. The lady in white was called Airazona. However , The 2 in front are cuties ( left and Right) Quote
+RAF_Louvert Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 . The habit of naming fighter planes after girlfriends/ fiancées/ wives seems to have been common at many German aces in the WW2 Luftwaffe, as for Erich Hartmann's "Usch" or "Ursel" (on a red heart with arrow), Gerhard Barkhorn's "Christl", or Josef Priller's "Jutta" (on an ace of hearts card). Glad that an assumed "macho man" like Charles Nungesser didn't conform to the same tradition, or his Nieuport would have been covered in dozens of names of deceived fiancées, passing groupies, and various common whores! Indeed, Mon Capitaine. His plane would have looked like a phone book for the Red Light district of Paris. BTW, in that photo of Ernst and Eleanore, does anyone else think they look a bit like they could be related? Definite facial similarities, IMHO. . Quote
+Olham Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 BTW, in that photo of Ernst and Eleanore, does anyone else think they look a bit like they could be related? Definite facial similarities, IMHO. Well, they both have a rather fine nose and quite lucious lips. And they both have a certain depth in their looks. Apart from that, she is definitely more attractive. But maybe women see that different? Quote
von Baur Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 BTW, in that photo of Ernst and Eleanore, does anyone else think they look a bit like they could be related? . Of course they were related, Lou. By marriage. Quote
Hauksbee Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 And they both have a certain depth in their looks. This may well be due to the much longer exposure times needed in early photography which required the subject to sit very still. Quote
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