my Black Pony Project

[charlielima 328]

Some questions for the group here and answers for questions nobody asked.

I changed the loadout and data ini to make a Navy OV-10a for VAL-4. It appears they just used guns and rockets. Sometime they strapped on a fuel tank but that appears rare.

Does any body know what this rocket pod is ? The easy ones are LAU-33 and LAU-10 but I'm trying to figure out what that lone small white 7 x 2.75 (I think) pod is.

 

So far I have changed my load out to this:

 

 

[Recon]
Loadout[01].WeaponType=LAU-33A
Loadout[01].Quantity=1
Loadout[02].WeaponType=LAU-33A
Loadout[02].Quantity=1
Loadout[03].WeaponType=LAU-10A
Loadout[03].Quantity=1
Loadout[04].WeaponType=LAU-10A
Loadout[04].Quantity=1
Loadout[05].WeaponType=LAU-33A  (this to replace that RP I haven't identified)
Loadout[05].Quantity=1
Loadout[06].WeaponType=LAU-33A  (this to replace that RP I haven't identified)
Loadout[06].Quantity=1
Loadout[07].WeaponType=Tank_OV-10_150_USMCGrey
Loadout[07].Quantity=1
 

[Attack]
Loadout[01].WeaponType=LAU-33A
Loadout[01].Quantity=1
Loadout[02].WeaponType=LAU-33A
Loadout[02].Quantity=1
Loadout[03].WeaponType=LAU-10A
Loadout[03].Quantity=1
Loadout[04].WeaponType=suu11
Loadout[04].Quantity=1
Loadout[05].WeaponType=LAU-3A  (this to replace that RP I haven't identified)
Loadout[05].Quantity=1
Loadout[06].WeaponType=LAU-10A
Loadout[06].Quantity=1
Loadout[07].WeaponType=Tank_OV-10_150_USMCGrey
Loadout[07].Quantity=1

 

For the Attack load in reality there would probably be no external fuel tank.

Does any body know the Model Name for the Mark 4 Gun pod ?

To mount that I changed the load limit on the centerline pylon to 775.

I changed the weapon groups too :

 

[HardPoint1]
SystemType=WEAPON_STATION
StationID=3
StationGroupID=2

 

[HardPoint2]
SystemType=WEAPON_STATION
StationID=4
StationGroupID=3

 

[HardPoint3]
SystemType=WEAPON_STATION
StationID=5
StationGroupID=4

 

[HardPoint4]
SystemType=WEAPON_STATION
StationID=6
StationGroupID=5

 

 

[CenterlineStation]
SystemType=WEAPON_STATION
StationID=7
StationGroupID=6

 

FuelTankName=Tank_OV-10_150_USMCGrey

 

Thanks group

Edited June 9, 2015 by charlielima

[+Crusader 2,101]

They used LAU-68 (7 shot) and LAU-69 (19 shot) pods for the 2.75 in rockets

Mk4  is the TypeName of the Mk4 Gun Pod

There was also another 20mm pod in use, made by China Lake .. a single barrel lightweight pod with a Mk12 cannon (iirc)

Post-Vietnam a third, new pod, the GPU-2/A with 3-barrel M197 20mm replaced that interim lightweight pod (which was still used by other Bronco users )

 

Stations

Max total external loading was 3600 lb for fuselage+sponsons

Individual limits

1200 lb max for the CL station

600 lb each sponson stations

Wing stations 750 lb each

[charlielima 328]

 

Some Screenies

 CL

 

They used LAU-68 (7 shot) and LAU-69 (19 shot) pods for the 2.75 in rockets

Mk4  is the TypeName of the Mk4 Gun Pod

There was also another 20mm pod in use, made by China Lake .. a single barrel lightweight pod with a Mk12 cannon (iirc)

Post-Vietnam a third, new pod, the GPU-2/A with 3-barrel M197 20mm replaced that interim lightweight pod (which was still used by other Bronco users )

 

Stations

Max total external loading was 3600 lb for fuselage+sponsons

Individual limits

1200 lb max for the CL station

600 lb each sponson stations

Wing stations 750 lb each

 

Awesome ! thanks.

CL

 

 

Edited June 9, 2015 by charlielima

[firehawkordy 34]

I concur on the LAU-68 for the 7 shot pod having loaded quite a few on HAL-5's HH-1K's. The Ponies carried other ordnance aside from gun and rocket pods as the pics on this page show.....

 

http://www.blackpony.org/bunos.htm

 

Click the BUNO's that are blue for the pics, most of the shots show cluster bombs but I'm not sure of the type, it is feasible that they also carried the MK20 Rockeye series more often than not.

[+Crusader 2,101]

This http://www.blackpony.org/155417.htm

shows CBU-55 FAE's

I have Kit Lavell's "Flying Black Ponies" book.. good one.

And that is the lightweight 20mm gun pod

http://www.blackpony.org/155475.htm

[Wrench 9,846]

the cluster bombs look like CBU-24s

[charlielima 328]

Loadout[07].WeaponType=Mk4 works for the MK-4 gun pod on the load out.

CBU-55 FAE's sound delightfully evil.

I'll chase down the LAU-68s later.The AI for the rest of the flight seems to prefer LAU-3s.

Thanks for the good info group. I should probably ask what the warhead on the rockets were?

HE, Frag or Willie Pete ?

CL

[firehawkordy 34]

If I remember the Zuni's were HE Frag with a point detonating fuse and the 2.75's were HE, HE Incindery and Flechete. They wanted to cause the most damage and casualties to Mr Charles on the ground. Flechete was not used as much as the HE and HE Frag because the VC would usually be dug in when they srang a bushwahck along the waterways. HE stood the best chance to take out those positions while flechete works good mostly on troops in the open. I also forgot that Napalm was used by them also, I remember hearing stories by one of my mentors that had been in VAL-4 telling the younger Ordies how nasty that stuff was to mix up.

[charlielima 328]

"If I remember the Zuni's were HE Frag with a point detonating fuse and the 2.75's were HE, HE Incindery and Flechete. They wanted to cause the most damage and casualties to Mr Charles on the ground. Flechete was not used as much as the HE and HE Frag because the VC would usually be dug in when they srang a bushwahck along the waterways. HE stood the best chance to take out those positions while flechete works good mostly on troops in the open. I also forgot that Napalm was used by them also, I remember hearing stories by one of my mentors that had been in VAL-4 telling the younger Ordies how nasty that stuff was to mix up."

 

I see no reason to exclude the Nape. Back in the 80s and early 90s we'd make "blivets" with this powder (Peptizer ? ) that came in a green 55 gallon drum and mixed it with gasoline and any flammable fluid we wanted to dispose of. We mixed it in wash tubs with wood canoe battles. After they set we would use them to burn dozer piles.

I'm having no joy with the LAU-68s. I tried LAU-68A_Mk40_M51, M156, and M229 and I just get a black cylinder with 7 holes in it with no woosh bang. below is my AD-5N painted for transfer to the USAF doing evaluator chores with CBU-24s, CBU-55s and LAU-68s.

CL

 

 

Edited June 10, 2015 by charlielima

[KJakker 901]

Those pods may be missing textures. Also open the data file for that type of pod and check to see what type or rocket it is set to use and make sure it matches one you have in your weapons folder exactly.  

[charlielima 328]

Affirmative. I believe they use a Hydra which I don't have in my magazine.

I'll follow that up thanks.

CL

[+yakarov79 11,082]

 

ad.6 interesting is half loaded 19 tube launcher. Half of 19 is...9.5 rockets ?

 

[charlielima 328]

Good find Yak !

And interesting too, Did you get that from the NATOPS ?

I never realized CBUs with folding fins where ever mounted with some or all fins extended.

Any more loading diagrams ?

Thanks. CL

[+yakarov79 11,082]

I think i got some more loadout diagrams but cant figure oout where it is right now. Got it somewhere. Will post/forward asap.

Yes it is from NATOPS. Loading  diagram is from different doc. I am looking for it also.

[charlielima 328]

Nice. From this I'm thinking no GP on in board sponsons.

CL

Edited June 12, 2015 by charlielima

[mppd 16]

A slideshow video well worth the watch for the schemes, BuNos and ordnance:

 

http://www.blackpony.org/bpss.wmv

[+331Killerbee 840]

Stay Tuned for the "PMBR". I sent Ravenclaw the info on them. He said he'd see what he could do........

 

331KillerBee

[mppd 16]

What is the designation of the single-barreled gun seen on the centerline in some photos? I cannot remember ever seeing this before.

[+Crusader 2,101]

"Lightweight Gun Pod. Quick-response development during Vietnam War. Pod for the OV-10
aircraft to carry the Mk 12 20-mm gun. NWC was lead laboratory. Interim system, in service from
1969 to 1971."

 

Ive seen that pod in pictures post-'71 on OV-10's operated by Morocco and, iirc, the Philippines ..

[charlielima 328]

These ?

CL

 

[charlielima 328]

The Mk IV appears the most common for Navy service tho.

My favorite OV-10 picture :

 

 

CL

[mppd 16]

Thanks for the info on the mystery gun pod. Nothing at all on the Internet that I could find. We could use a 3D model of one. I have a new Mk4 HIPEG almost done with the early Vietnam-era muzzle brake, but look at the Marine photo Charlie posted - it looks like it has a hood over the top portion of the muzzle. Anyone have better close-up photos? The SF2 one that TK made you guys has some kind of squareish muzzle brake that the Israelis used, but was not is Marine service in SEA as far as I can tell.

 

I am working on a new 3D OV-10A also in case someone wants to contribute on the project or perhaps already has one started. For 1st gen for my own use of course for starters...

 

Mike D.

Edited June 18, 2015 by mppd

[charlielima 328]

There is never enough gun pods it seems.

There is also the GPU-2/A. Killerbee made a nice Data Ini for it but it hasn't been modeled. http://combatace.com/topic/53750-20mm-for-ov-10s/

 

 

Could this be a mandatory ground object ?

 

 

CL

 

 

[mppd 16]

The GPU-2 is a three-barreled pod, but the single barreled pod with the long barrel is a bit of a mystery wep. I also found a photo on the Internet of the HIPEG with the goofy squarish muzzle brake at Da Nang, so apparently it was indeed used in Vietnam, although probably a later mod.

[+Crusader 2,101]

The HIPEG was the experimental/dev version of the Mk11 gun in Mk4 pod

 

 

278412 THE HIPEG SYSTEM (20MM AIRCRAFT GUN MK 11 AND GUN POD EX 1.pdf

427049 20MM MK 4 MOD O GUN POD FLIGHT TEST OF THREE PODS INSTALLED ON A4 AIRPLANE.pdf

601655 20MM MARK 4 GUN POD 250,000 ROUND RELIABILITY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.pdf