jeanba 1,920 Posted May 12, 2017 Here is an article on KAL007, but after, you have the description of a "dogfight" between Viggen and Flagon : https://warisboring.com/a-soviet-fighter-planes-tragic-error-brought-us-google-maps/ More on Flagons : https://warisboring.com/the-su-15-was-the-doom-of-airliners-and-a-cosmonaut/ F100 vs SU-15 anyone ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MigBuster 2,884 Posted May 12, 2017 First time I have seen that Flagon Story thanks. Are you in the middle of a Flagon research fest? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeanba 1,920 Posted May 12, 2017 Not really, it came out of luck But indeed, I am very interested by the Flagon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Muesli 2,161 Posted May 13, 2017 Wish there was a Viggen ingame... I would love to shoot it down in my Flagon! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Gepard 11,324 Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) The articles are more then doubtful and one-sided. The story of Su-15 vs Viggen is bullshit. Sorry to say that. The swedish pilots were not trigger happy. A violation of swedish air space ended normaly with the order to the ambassador to come in the swedish foreign office to recieve a letter of complain. Not with dogfight. So it happend twice, when east german MiG's violated swedish airspace and were intercepted by Drakens. In dogfight the Viggen should be superior to the Su-15. The 15 was a pure interceptor with minor dogfight capabilities. Edited May 13, 2017 by Gepard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeanba 1,920 Posted May 13, 2017 At leaSt it gives some ideas for sf2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Gepard 11,324 Posted May 13, 2017 At leaSt it gives some ideas for sf2 Thats true. The second story, that claimed, that a Su-15 pilot caused the crash of the MiG-15UTI flown by Gagarin is doubtful too. Leonow tells this story again and again, sometimes it was a wildgone Su-7, then a pair of MiG-21, an unnamed prototyp of a new combat plane or now a Su-15. The most simple answer is that Gagarins MiG-15UTI was a victim of the "valoshka" (an unexpected plane rolling or wing drop) with entry in a spin. And Gagarin was unable to recover from spin. Thats it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Typhoid 231 Posted May 13, 2017 Here is an article on KAL007, but after, you have the description of a "dogfight" between Viggen and Flagon : https://warisboring.com/a-soviet-fighter-planes-tragic-error-brought-us-google-maps/ More on Flagons : https://warisboring.com/the-su-15-was-the-doom-of-airliners-and-a-cosmonaut/ F100 vs SU-15 anyone ? "Soon, rival Soviet and Western rescue fleets clashed in the Sea of Japan as they searched first for survivors, and later bodies and wreckage, including the flight’s black box flight recorders." yea, kinda messed up a planned inport period. I did get a LOT of flight time out of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viggen 644 Posted May 13, 2017 Wish there was a Viggen ingame... I would love to shoot it down in my Flagon! You wish! I'll take you on and win! "Soon, rival Soviet and Western rescue fleets clashed in the Sea of Japan as they searched first for survivors, and later bodies and wreckage, including the flight’s black box flight recorders." yea, kinda messed up a planned inport period. I did get a LOT of flight time out of that. Typhoid, have you thought about writing a book on your time in the Hawkeye? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toryu 156 Posted May 13, 2017 Thats true. The second story, that claimed, that a Su-15 pilot caused the crash of the MiG-15UTI flown by Gagarin is doubtful too. Leonow tells this story again and again, sometimes it was a wildgone Su-7, then a pair of MiG-21, an unnamed prototyp of a new combat plane or now a Su-15. The most simple answer is that Gagarins MiG-15UTI was a victim of the "valoshka" (an unexpected plane rolling or wing drop) with entry in a spin. And Gagarin was unable to recover from spin. Thats it. I also don't buy Leonov's conspiracy-story. Gagarin (or his instructor) most probably just fudged-up. It has happened to others, too. No national shame there. The Viggen vs Flagon story is plausible. Intercepts have gone south before. So have low-level ad-hoc dogfights over western Germany or any other "gloves off" training-environment. Again, no need for conspiracy theories - accidents happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Typhoid 231 Posted May 16, 2017 Typhoid, have you thought about writing a book on your time in the Hawkeye? I doubt too many people would be all that interested in 35 year old past stuff. Although there is a gent who is, or was, writing a book on the exploits of CV-41/CVW-5 during the NORPAC 82-83 and KAL-007 SAR ops from that timeframe. (which reportedly contributed to the subsequent Able Archer 83 paranoia) He saw my almost 20 year old post on hiding a carrier; http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-031.htm and that got him started researching what we all did. I'm not sure where he is on that book but it might be coming out sometime and if it does, I am in it if not by name by the missions included. That old hide a carrier post got quite a bit of coverage in some of the gaming circles in the past couple of years. I got a couple of calls on it and one gent got fired up and joined the USN as a result! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stratos 3,192 Posted May 22, 2017 At leaSt it gives some ideas for sf2 Is a shame that SF2 is more oriented to dogfighting than interception, would have been a cool way to use planes like the F104, the Su-9 and 15, etc... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MigBuster 2,884 Posted May 23, 2017 Have had plenty of fun running intercepts in SF2 over the years in pretty much any aircraft...........even running M.2 F-104 profiles against U-2s. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
