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Hi all,

I am new to this business of creating mods and whatnot, but i was messing around the ArmorDave's F-105G and trying to answer myself "what if those aircraft remained in service long after Vietnam?", and i pretty much got some success on it. Thing is, i really wanted to make use of another paint scheme other than that SEA TO 1-1-4 it always have, but i didn't find and skin/templates for this specific mod.

It may be a tall order asking for, but i really want to go further on this little creation of mine and, maybe, publishing it later on. Could you guys help me on that?

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Sabre1BR,

I like the idea of extending the life of the F-015G.  Possibly sold/given to other countries after use in Vietnam.

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a template for this plane here.  Possibly someone made one of their own or has an original from years back stashed somewhere in their computer.

You can of course make your own template if this idea means that much to you.  You will need an art program like Photoshop, Paintshop Pro, Gimp, etc...

Good luck.

 

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There are no templates out for the F-105G.

There are 2 chances you have.

Contact original creator of the Skins (Sundowner), Maybe you are lucky. He still got the temps and share with you Maybe.

or, check the F-105D temps if they are somehow compatible with the "G"

 

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ArmorDave's mapping is completly different from the 3W F-105s.

The only solution is to re-template them yourself

 

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You don't have to remake the whole thing. Probably it is easier to use Armourdave's F-105D templates and modify them. The images below show the F-105G lod with my unfinished F-105D wrap-around textures. The wings, horizontal stabs, as well as the front and rear fuselage are the same as on the G. The middle part of the fuselage and a few bits on the vertical stab need some work. Compare the available skins and use Mue's lod viewer, you'll see the differences.

 

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the links below are not templates but should be useful. the F will have decal location entries for Armourdaves F (similar to the G) and the Hill skins will have the Euro 1, SEA wraparound and a desert scheme as worn by one each aircraft with the 466th TFW at Hill AFB before retirement in 1984.

The Gs were used by the Georgia ANG until around 1983 (this is before coffee as usual: dates not exact). They were commended for making a European training deployment despite at one point having to stand down all the aircraft for maintenence.  They were also in Service at George AFB until 1978 or 79 when the F-4Gs were coming on line.

Hill should have the colors and rough patterns needed.

 

 

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Hey guys,

First of all, i can't thank you all enough for the support on this little project of mine, i'll make my best for the effort pay off on this! By the way, quotation time:

On ‎06‎/‎03‎/‎2019 at 7:25 PM, charlielima said:

Euro or green lizard next ?

CL

Well, i was actually going around for either a NM finish or some Desert Camouflage (such as the 3W Phantoms use in the Dhimar-Paran map), but I found out that modifying the original skin would've become very silly and it might not get into what i wanted, so yeah; But either of those greenier camos would be really nice as well!

 

On ‎06‎/‎03‎/‎2019 at 6:28 PM, Blade said:

You don't have to remake the whole thing. Probably it is easier to use Armourdave's F-105D templates and modify them. The images below show the F-105G lod with my unfinished F-105D wrap-around textures. The wings, horizontal stabs, as well as the front and rear fuselage are the same as on the G. The middle part of the fuselage and a few bits on the vertical stab need some work. Compare the available skins and use Mue's lod viewer, you'll see the differences.

 

 

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Wow, that looks really great though! That said, i really thought that the wings would look a little off, as the real-life aircraft had those modified, right? Well, guess that's another story. I'll see what i can do with this template, cheers  :good:

For the rest of the people who i didn't get a proper reply, once again I thank for the support, i'll do my best to make sure you all won't be disappointed with it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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52 minutes ago, charlielima said:

Desert lizard ?

CL

I guess  that would be more of a creative license than an actual thing, but, well, as this is a "what-if" scenario that would be something to consider

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5 hours ago, charlielima said:

Desert lizard ?

CL

The Thuds in desert and euro camo look really cool.

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14 hours ago, Blade said:

The Thuds in desert and euro camo look really cool.

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They sure do look lovely, i'll see what i can do with it in a bit!
 

 

3 hours ago, charlielima said:

And what if the THUDs lasted this long ?

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Which year were these SLUFs serving with this specific ANG paint schemes? they look nice, also the ones on Euro I seems great, looking forward to try and skin them in. Problem is, i ain't really used to skinning aircraft, so they might not look as beautiful as these :P Worth to give a try though

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Good afternoon, folks,

I managed to make a skin from the template you guys got me, there they are:

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Also notice that i was messing around with it's data.ini so it can carry AGMs and Guided Bombs (both eletro-optical and laser-guided), although the loadout.ini of it is already set to use TW's default weapons

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Only thing i need to work properly is the decals, but i can't make them appear properly on the aircraft; so, as a placeholder, i'm using the games default F-105 tail numbers.

Can some of you give me a light on this? Would be much appreciated ;)

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how are they not working properly exactly? not appearing at all, not right size, there are many issues that prevent the decals working right. in ini check filepath (everyone makes simple dumb mistakes on this, myself averaging 3 per project), that the desired file is in the right folder, and the decallevel is correct (=2 for serial numbers)

as to location on plane, locations should roughly match the F that i skinned (see post above), but meshnames may be different from F to G. use mues lodviewer to verify both  you have the stock numbers on, have you considered changing to unit markng decals when you get the issue resolved?

 

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5 hours ago, daddyairplanes said:

how are they not working properly exactly? not appearing at all, not right size, there are many issues that prevent the decals working right. in ini check filepath (everyone makes simple dumb mistakes on this, myself averaging 3 per project), that the desired file is in the right folder, and the decallevel is correct (=2 for serial numbers)

as to location on plane, locations should roughly match the F that i skinned (see post above), but meshnames may be different from F to G. use mues lodviewer to verify both  you have the stock numbers on, have you considered changing to unit markng decals when you get the issue resolved?

 

I managed to make it work properly now, it was some sort of compression which rendered them "invisible", here they are now (i still need to get a put them a little bit lower, but so far so good)

 

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I'm also using 3W's default fuel tanks, since the ones specified to the original F-105G only comes in SEA camouflage, and as I wanted to make other skins from this that's what i've came up with.

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Hello all,

Sorry for the lack of updates on this project of mine, as graduation and some other stuff did carry me away from this for a while.

I managed to make two more skins for the aircraft - Hill Grey I and II, based around Alabama ANG's F-4D. Those units operated a Pave Spike/Maverick setup by that point, so i figured representing them on a Strike mission would look somewhat fitting.

Still need to work on the decals and fuel tank's textures, but i sense most of the job on skinning is pretty much done.

There they are:

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I'll update this thread as soon as I'm able to make those textures and decals look as smooth as possible, so keep na eye out here! :ok:

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                A-A missiles do not have a 100% PK, especially against advanced adversaries.           Its limited missile supply could be exhausted quickly if faced by a significant number of low tech adversaries.           The F-35 may not be able to egress from all adversaries based on its slower speeds and may need to stay and fight.           When defending other assets, it may need to stand and fight regardless.          Gun employment is less reliant on on-board systems working such as radar.           All the modern tech in the world cannot protect an aircraft from the oldest weapon in A-A combat [when in range]. The Gun is simple, efficient, effective and always available. On Gun Pods
                It is seldom known when you will need a gun system so carrying it only when needed is not practical.           Risk of RCS (Radar Cross Section) increase.           Risk of having performance issues like the previous gun pods e.g. GAU 5 (Pave Claw) or SUU16/23           Additional logistics required. On A-G use
                Despite being poor in power compared to PGMs and IAMs, the gun will remain after those have been expended and can be used if called upon. This happened many time in Desert Storm, Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom.           Can be used where PGM/IAMs are too powerful and can be prohibited or ill-advised such as urban situations.           Can be used on moving targets.            Gun considered the only true multi role weapon to be carried.            Can be used to supress (rather than kill) and provide just a warning.           Sometimes offers a quicker reaction time because of less setup over other ordnance.           Less dependent on targeting sensors so can be used in event of failures with those.
      F-35A Lightning II - gun is port side (USAF)
       
       
      Sources
      Clashes (M.L.Michel III, 1997) Naval Institute Press
      Thud Ridge (J.M.Broughton, 1969) Crecy Publishing
      F-105 Thunderchief MiG Killers of the Vietnam War (P.Davies, 2014) Osprey Publishing
      F-8 Crusader Units of the Vietnam War (P. Mersky, 1998) Osprey Publishing
      MiG-21 Units of the Vietnam War (I.Toperczer, 2001) Osprey Publishing
      MiG-17 and MiG-19 Units of the Vietnam War (I.Toperczer, 2001) Osprey Publishing
      MiG-21 Aces of the Vietnam War (I.Toperczer, 2017) Osprey Publishing
      MiG-17 and MiG-19 Aces of the Vietnam War (I.Toperczer, 2017) Osprey Publishing
      USAF McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II (P.Davies, 2013) Osprey Publishing
      USN McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II (P.Davies, 2016) Osprey Publishing
      US Navy F-4 Phantom II MiG Killers 1972 -73 (B.Elward & P.Davies, 2002) Osprey Publishing
      US Navy F-4 Phantom II MiG Killers 1965 -70 (B.Elward & P.Davies, 2001) Osprey Publishing
      USAF F-4 Phantom II MiG Killers 1972 -73 (P.Davies, 2005) Osprey Publishing
      USAF F-4 Phantom II MiG Killers 1965 -68 (P.Davies, 2004) Osprey Publishing
      The Revolt of the Majors: How the Air Force changed after Vietnam (M.L.Michell III)
      RED BARON Project Volume I - III (1969) Weapon Systems Evaluation Group (WSEG)
      The Need for a Permanent Gun System on the F-35 JSF (Colonel C.Moore, 2007) Air Force Fellows Air University, Maxwell AF Base
      SIERRA HOTEL (C. R.ANDEREGG, 2001) Air Force History and Museums Program
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      ON WATCH Profiles from the National Security Agencys past 40 years (1984) National Security Agency
      War from above the clouds (Head WP, 2002) Air University Press Maxwell AFB
      Information on F-4E radar range from Forum entry by ex F-4 flyer Walt BJ (Bjorneby, Walter)
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      Title photo credit USAF
    • By dtmdragon


      View File F-105B Thunderchief (Stand in)
      Republic F-105B Thunderchief (Stand in)
       
       
       

      Uses the TW F-105D model as a stand in with the following mods:
       

      - Removed nose pitot tube and added one to the left outer wing via fakepilot method.
       
      - Data.ini edits (weight, thrust, service year etc).
       
      - Ranging radar only.
       
      - Re-painted and re-panel lined the nose to re-shape it into that of the F-105B.
       
      - Moved cannon port.
       

      - Canopy can open.
       
      - Removed bombay fuel tank.
       
      - Cockpit is from the F-84F as the F-105B did not have the 'tape' style instruments or a radar scope like the F-105D
       
      - Added 'fighter sweep' mission as if a shooting war had developed during the Cuban Missile Crisis some of the 4th TFW F-105B Squadrons were tasked with an Air Superiority role.
       
      - One generic USAF silver skin using stock decals and another for the 335th TFS, 4th TFW that forward deployed to Macoy AFB during the October 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.
       
       
       

      To Install:
       

      - Un-pack and drop into your mods folder.
       
       
       

      Credits:
       

      - TW for the F-105D.
       
      - Sundowner for the template.
       
      - Zurawski & Gunrunner for the cockpit.
      Submitter dtmdragon Submitted 09/22/2016 Category F-105  
    • By slick cowboy


      View File USAF Desert Scheme
      These are desert skins for the stock TW F-4C/D, F-100D_64/68 and F-105D_66.
      The F-4 desert skins don't replace the stock ones in the game, so you can still use both.
      They refer to the same stock decals though.
       
      F-4 skins made with Sundowner's templates.
      F-100D skins made with hgbn's hi-res template.
      F-105D skin made with Sundowner last hi-res template (I included the bump maps)
       
      Installation:
       
      I made separate folders for the various aircraft types in which you'll find the desert skin folder.
      Paste the folder in the corresponding aircraft folder in your mod folder.
       
      That's pretty much it...
       
      Cheers
      Submitter slick cowboy Submitted 12/20/2013 Category What If Skins  
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