Soviet Training Missiles

[+allenjb42]

Do the Soviets/Russians have training versions of their AAMs for exercises and DACM?

If so, do we have any available in the weapons packs? What designations should I be looking for? 

Thanks.
 

[yakarov79]

UZR-60 УЗР-60

UZR-73 УЗР-73

 

someone was working on UZR-60 ... I saw some pics in WIP here...

Edited February 29, 2020 by yakarov79

[+Soulfreak]

Volker did the UZR-60...

But i guess it is not yet released...

[+Gepard]

In german language we called it "Schreiberrakete".

It had seeker heads and a memory device, which "wrote" all data, so that after landing could be evaluated, wheter the missile would have hit the target or not. Those "missiles" were always white and had black stripes around the body. They had never rocket engines or maneuvering fins.

This picture show a MiG-23ML with training missiles for R-23 and R-60.

 

BTW: Nice to see the different camo schemes of the planes. Every single fighter plane of the LSK had a unique camo.

Edited February 29, 2020 by Gepard

[+ravenclaw_007]

here is the UZR-60

UZR-60.7z

and this is how it looks like

[+allenjb42]

Thanks so much for sharing!

[Stratos]

Any chance of getting the R-23 variant as well?

[Stick]

And the R-27,73 and 77 while we are asking

 

[Stratos]

58 minutes ago, Stick said:

And the R-27,73 and 77 while we are asking

 

Raven is busy with the F-4G I think ( a helluva mod), we can cross our fingers and wait Raven to see our requests and to have some time in the future to spare.

[yakarov79]

To make things easier someone can do research on topic. Pictures, dimensions that kind of stuff. Then it is much easier to any modder just to focus in 3d thing rather then diggin net sources first.

[Stratos]

I'm on it, but as I don't have scaner, some pics of the book will have to do.

[+ravenclaw_007]

18 hours ago, Stick said:

And the R-27,73 and 77 while we are asking

 

i dont mine if people ask for a mod , but everybody could help me by getting me the info / pictures i need to make this mods  , please keep in mind that i´m very busy right now with other mods and the real life

 

[Stratos]

I own a book called Soviet/Russian Aircraft Weapons since World War Two by Yefim Gordon. Unfortunately does not talk about the training versions of the R23 or R24, only about the R3U.

And this pic from the R73, will keep searching for more info and pics.

[+ravenclaw_007]

Thanks for that info , the R-3U was easy to make i took my AA-2 and made the necessary changes

[Stratos]

It's me who says thanks for all this work.

The only proper pic I found until now of the R-23.

[+Gepard]

2 minutes ago, Stratos said:

It's me who says thanks for all this work.

The only proper pic I found until now of the R-23.

This is a training missile for ground crews, not for air to air combat training.

[Stick]

I would think the 27 ad 73 are more a matter of slapping stripes on existing models:

 

 

[Stick]

6 hours ago, ravenclaw_007 said:

i dont mine if people ask for a mod , but everybody could help me by getting me the info / pictures i need to make this mods  , please keep in mind that i´m very busy right now with other mods and the real life

 

But of course, sir - much obliged if the fancy does come upon you. Tried my hand at striping only to realize my talents are quite wanting.

[+Gepard]

Air to Air photos of R-23U training missile for air-to-air medium range combat.

[+ravenclaw_007]

1 hour ago, Gepard said:

This is a training missile for ground crews, not for air to air combat training.

tha is something i would like to ask , i have many Pictures from static Displays with this missiles and the 3 or 4 black stripes  but i assume that this are training missiles for ground Crews or simply for Display but NOT for flying , i think the actual training missiles for the aircraft did not have the wings

[Stratos]

Thanks for the pics Gepard, do you have enough material to work Raven?

[+ravenclaw_007]

18 minutes ago, Stratos said:

Thanks for the pics Gepard, do you have enough material to work Raven?

for the Moment yes except somebody wants an other Training missile , the UZR-60 and the R-3U are done and the R-23 will be next ( in my spare time )

by the way what is the full designation for the R-23 Training missile ???

 

here is the R-3U , have fun    R-3U.7z

 

MiG 21 with R-3U

[+Gepard]

Nice pictures.

One remark. For training missions only one training missile (of each missile type) was loaded on the planes.

 

The designation of R-23 training missiles were, as far as i remember correctly, R-23UT for IR guided version and R-23UR for SAHM missile. But maybe i'm wrong.

Edited March 6, 2020 by Gepard

[+ravenclaw_007]

Thanks for that Info Gepard  

 

i have this detail pictures from a R-23 , does anybody have some more and better detail picture of that Missile

[+Gepard]

With better pictures it could be difficult. It was strictly forbitten to make photos of real life missiles in the old times. I cant remember that the JG-3 in Peenemünde had made  a weapon show after the political change. So photos of this missile would be rare.

 

To the designation of the training missile. I just wrote an former MiG-23 pilot to ask him the question. Perhaps he will answer. Perhaps not. The LSK term is probably "R-23 Schreiberrakete".