F-4E Kurnass pack WIP

[+dtmdragon 2,699]

Utilizing Ravenclaw_007 and teams latest F-4E pack to create the Israeli Airforce specific F-4E variants used in the 1973 Yom Kippur war. There were three separate deliveries prior to the war and due to the variations of the Blocks all sorts of different configurations of ECM antenna, strike camera, slats/ flaps, 'slime' lights,  MIDAS4 etc not to mention local upgrades of 'slime' lights, MIDAS4 muzzle mods and slat instillations. Now throw in the Operation Nickle Grass emergency aid aircraft during the war! I have rounded them all up into 3 in-game varients:

- F-4E Kurnass

- F-4E Kurnass Hard-Wing & MIDAS4

- F-4E Kurnass (73)

[dsawan 624]

looking fwd to this. thc.

[+Shootingstar2 26]

[+dtmdragon 2,699]

Any one out there got some good intell on actuall Yom Kippur weapon loadouts? I have this web site:
https://www.fresh.co.il/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=580055#post4438309

And this book to go by:

Two weapons that are mentioned but I can not find any pictures on the actuall loadout configuration are AGM -45 Shrike and Rockeye

Edited July 10, 2022 by dtmdragon

[+Sundowner 4,818]

I'll have a look m8....

[+Sundowner 4,818]

So far I've only been able to find 1 photo that actually shows a Shrike being carried during the war although they were commonly used,  normal standard load out of 1 Shrike on each inboard pylon + 2 wing tanks & 2 Sparrows in the rear wells.

Mk 80 Rockeye appears to be after Yom Kippur from what I'm seeing.

I'll keep digging m8.

Edited July 12, 2022 by Sundowner

[+dtmdragon 2,699]

7 hours ago, Sundowner said:

So far I've only been able to find 1 photo that actually shows a Shrike being carried during the war although they were commonly used,  normal standard load out of 1 Shrike on each inboard pylon + 2 wing tanks & 2 Sparrows in the rear wells.

Mk 80 Rockeye appears to be after Yom Kippur from what I'm seeing.

I'll keep digging m8.

Thanks mate here is the page from the section from the book that mentions the Rockeyes:

"The end of the War of Attrition on 7 August 1970 enabled the IDF/AF to expand its Kurnass force, and No 119 Sqn formally became the third unit to operate the type at Tel Nof on 29 October. New tactics and weapons were introduced to counter the Egyptian air defence challenge, including the AGM-45 Shrike anti-radiation missile (ARM) and the Mk 20 Rockeye II cluster bomb unit (CBU). "

[+dtmdragon 2,699]

Anyone know if the AIM-7 used by the Kurnass in 1973 was the standard E model or the E-2 model? The stock TW loadout.ini has the AIM-7E-2 but the stock Yom Kippur campaign has the AIM-7E listed for the F-4E Kurnass squadrons. Google hasn't helped me thus far....

[+Sundowner 4,818]

Just a couple of pics for now m8.

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These are my usual "go to" references.

[Eagle114th 655]

Even though my SF2 projects are halted for now, I still support the fellower modders when I can.  For my limited free time, here is what I have found so far.

I want to share some information I found about IAF / IDF Phantoms:

It turns out that the earliest AAM they received are AIM-9D and AIM-7C and here is the source:

 

USA - ISRAEL -Trade-Register-1950-2021.rtf

Edited July 20, 2022 by Eagle114th

[Eagle114th 655]

Found some more information about AIM-7E-2 and AIM-7Fs for IAF / IDF F-4E Kurnass!

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/08/28/f-4e-kurnass-sledgehammer-ii/



 

[+daddyairplanes 10,216]

On 7/20/2022 at 12:05 AM, Eagle114th said:

USA - ISRAEL -Trade-Register-1950-2021.rtf

that is what im talking about in regards to research.

it cant all be scans of Osprey books and instantly available info

[+dtmdragon 2,699]

[+dtmdragon 2,699]

Download updated and is now the 'F-4E Kurnass Israeli Airforce Yom Kippur war & beyond pack'

 

- Now contains ALL F-4E Kurnass variants up to and including the Kurnass 2000

- Camouflage colors in original release lightened slightly

- Modified Lebanon 1982 Campaign added to also utilize the aircraft and weapons in this pack.

 

https://combatace.com/files/file/17879-f-4e-kurnass-iaf-yom-kippur-beyond-pack/

[+dtmdragon 2,699]

2.2:

- Minor data/loadout.ini corrections.

- Minor texture corrections.

- Minor weapon corrections.

- Optional white texture for the Python 3 missile, as this was how the early models used in the 1982 Lebanon War were painted.

Edited August 22, 2022 by dtmdragon

[+dtmdragon 2,699]

2.3:

- New AGM-78D model (thanks ravenclaw_007!!!) Data/ loadout/ campaign ini adjusted accordingly.

* (Kurnass 78 & 2000 will now use AGM-78D but AGM-78D Egrof Sagol is still included for use by Israeli F-16D as it is a rail launched version. The standard AGM-78D will drop and then fire but still use the ARM rail correctly on the Kurnass 78 & 2000

- Texture corrections for F-4E Kurnass 78 & F-4E Kurnass 2000 drop tanks.

 

 

Edited September 3, 2022 by dtmdragon

[+dtmdragon 2,699]

3.0:
- Updated textures, new droptank & pylon textures, landing gear texture fix, TISEO texture fix, lights texture fix and intake fan decals for the F-4E Kurnass (78) and F-4E Kurnass 2000
- New chaff/flare dispensers for the above aircraft.
- New Walleye II ERDL Mk.23 Mod 1 model by Ravenclaw_007
- Re-named "F-4E Kurnass Israeli Airforce pack"

Edited September 6, 2023 by dtmdragon

[Wrench 9,838]

re-approved, and ready for downloads!!!

thanks!

[+dtmdragon 2,699]

3.1:
- F-4E Kurnass 'Super Phantom' Prototype added. Pratt & Whitney PW1120 engines, she is quick and fast!!!
- Rear ECM antenna correction (removed) on F-4E Kurnass 2000.
- Intake sensor color corrected on F-4E Kurnass (78) F-4E Kurnass 2000 and F-4E Kurnass Super Phantom (Prototype)

 

Edited July 18 by dtmdragon

[+dtmdragon 2,699]

Hey guys anyone with any good Israel Kurnass reference books have pictures or knowledge of loadouts during the 1982 Lebanon war? I thought I had it pretty accurate but I was listening to one of the latest fighter pilot podcasts with an IAF F-4E navigator who talked about flying a CAP mission loaded with radar guided AIM-120 (I assume he ment AIM-7), 2x AIM-9 and 2x Shafrir-3 (I'm pretty sure this was the early name for the Python-3). In previous research I had read that once the F-15 had come on line in reasonable numbers pre 1982 the AIM-7 was no longer an option on the Kurnass as the rear sparrow bays were reconfigured to take the expanded chaff/ flare launchers and the front right sparrow bay was reconfigured to take the single Sidewinder/ Python pylon and rail.

Edited August 22 by dtmdragon

[RustyKurnass 657]

You're right about the Sparrows

A picture showing the returning pòane of Ben Ami Peri after the succesful CAP mission that signed the last Kurnass kill ( during the Lebanon War in 1982) show two Aim-9D under the left wing, the empty rails for the Python 3( no Shafrir ,offiacialy) used to downing the MiG-21 under the right wing and no Sparrows

[+dtmdragon 2,699]

4 hours ago, RustyKurnass said:

You're right about the Sparrows

A picture showing the returning pòane of Ben Ami Peri after the succesful CAP mission that signed the last Kurnass kill ( during the Lebanon War in 1982) show two Aim-9D under the left wing, the empty rails for the Python 3( no Shafrir ,offiacialy) used to downing the MiG-21 under the right wing and no Sparrows

Thanks mate! Does it have the chaff/ flare dispensers in the rear sparrow bays?

[RustyKurnass 657]

Cannot confirm as the plane is photografed on the runway

[+dtmdragon 2,699]

3 hours ago, RustyKurnass said:

Cannot confirm as the plane is photografed on the runway

Thanks mate, does it specify D model Sidewinders or could they be G models? My understanding was they used G models by this stage but since they look identical to the D models there can be a lot of confusion. On a different note during research into Kurnass weapons for this time period (1982) I found out the IAF F-15 could only carry the G model at the time and not the L. And if they carried the Python it was on a special dual missile rail carried on the wing stations in place of the drop tanks. You can replicate it in the game with the stock TW 2IR quite easily. It was immediately after the war that they deveoloped the modified extended sidewinder rails to carry Pythons in place of the Sidewinders.

Also what book did you find the photo in?

Link to podcast episode if your interested. He talkes about planning a strike on Bagdad during Desert Storm with the Kurnass 2000 and Popeye missiles.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1fsWsT2ZfMxTzj2uVIiC4x?si=p9eKyNJ5RhypH1wGcT4KVA

Edited August 22 by dtmdragon

[RustyKurnass 657]

On 22/8/2024 at 9:12 PM, dtmdragon said:

Thanks mate, does it specify D model Sidewinders or could they be G models? My understanding was they used G models by this stage but since they look identical to the D models there can be a lot of confusion. On a different note during research into Kurnass weapons for this time period (1982) I found out the IAF F-15 could only carry the G model at the time and not the L. And if they carried the Python it was on a special dual missile rail carried on the wing stations in place of the drop tanks. You can replicate it in the game with the stock TW 2IR quite easily. It was immediately after the war that they deveoloped the modified extended sidewinder rails to carry Pythons in place of the Sidewinders.

Also what book did you find the photo in?

Link to podcast episode if your interested. He talkes about planning a strike on Bagdad during Desert Storm with the Kurnass 2000 and Popeye missiles.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1fsWsT2ZfMxTzj2uVIiC4x?si=p9eKyNJ5RhypH1wGcT4KVA

Sorry for the ultra late response...

The book is "Israeli Phantoms - The Kurnass in IDF/AF service 1969-1988" from Double Ugly! Book

The books I own always state that the Winder were Aim-9D but the -G as you said were in use with the F-15 at the time but really don't know if the Kurnass force shared the weapons with the Baz/Eagles

On the Isradecals book dedicated to the F-15 Baz, the early Python adapter can be seen in some pocs but never clearly unfortunately. If remember correctely also the F-4 at first used the underpylon adapter for the Python, need to check

Thanks for the podcast mate