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pppffffffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttttttttttt!!! Dang man! There went my coffee...and my MONITOR!!! AAAAAAA!!!!

LOL... excuse me, but you've just been volonteered son...

Carriers are tougher than you think. Damage control is a main mantra with the US Navy. You train, train, then train some more. It aint all ice cream and air conditioning. Many carriers have suffered catastrophic damage and still were able to either launch/recover aircraft or at least get home. It only takes a few minutes to have every watertight door closed and the survivablity of the ship just went up incredibly. Thats just last ditch defence for when the outer rings of defence have been peirced. You have the escort ships and subs, the carriers' own defensive weapons, the airwing and its combat air patrol, etc. Sinking or even seriously damaging a CV would not be an easy operation and it would likely cost whoever attempted it.

Came aboard her in Nov. 77 when she was in portsmoth Naval shipyard for 9 month ROH. We deployed to the Med in June 79 after a year or more in workups. Was in 4th Div as PO in Charge of the fantail. Yes, I was the one that painted all those pretty anchors on the bits back aft. Then moved to 3rd div to run liberty boats. Since ya put it that way, easy to see why the skipper would get his butt canned...too bad really. Cant take things for granted on a CV thats for sure.

Lol...why does that sound sooooooo true....lol.

Nesher, I think the IDF stands just as tall for freedom.... Can any of you guys UNDER 30 tell me who gave that very significant speech?

Whoa....I think I just wet myself... That is one incredible cockpit! Very cool plane...

Found this rather moving video and thought you would like it. Nothing more comforting to a former jarhead and squid than to see aircover overhead when times were tense... ASB USAF Promo link Uno Ab Alto

There are some other cool vids in there too I saw. Thanks for the link to a nice website; hadnt seen this one before.

Kinda surprising they held the CO and XO so accountable for someone elses actions. I know skippers are responsible for the ship they command but seems a bit extreme. There are always idiots and mistakes; a CO cant cover everything....geeze... Maybe he just forgot to kiss the admirals butt one morning and the admiral never forgot... I was on the Independance back in '77-'79. We had a fire on that boat it seemed at least once a month on average. If the Navy has brought the fire frequency average down in the succeeding years, they've done well. Those boats are floating fire-bombs.

Thanks all. Learn something new everyday...

I was flying a campaign today in an AIM-9C equipped F-8 crusader against Parani Mig-17s. When I selected the Aim's, I never got a tone telling me they were online and ready. Got behind a couple migs on different occassions and never got a lock tone either. What gives? Arnt the Aim-9's all IR?

They have all hands make sure their grounded before refueling begins right?

Shinkazama, nice video. They arent easy to make are they, lol. Nice fisheye camera effect. What effects mods were you using? The gunfire and explosion effects were pretty cool. Any other enviorment mods too? Looked like you had a camera view mod also.

Good stories Rambler. Couldnt sleep this morning so came to CA and found your thread. I went thru them all and didnt even need a cup of coffee...

Ok, tryin not to laugh too much while typing this...glad I didnt have a drink in my mouth...

Kewl! Thats for the update craig...

Damn...another Spruance goes down...hope it wasnt the David Ray...

Congartulations Mr. and Mrs. Laton...

I'll never forget that day. Despite the shock, sadness, uncertainty, and anger, it was heart-warming to see this good country come together like that. You know, I was in San Diego at the time. We were PISSED at how bad NY had treated our Tony Gwynn in the '98 World Series. Any NY'er was definately persona non grata after that. When 9/11 happened, all that disapeered. All San Diegans wanted to do was help any way they could. I was so proud of them during that crisis... And yes, to get back on topic, I might allow a certain agreement to your statement about the immediacy of a crisis. Even then, its tough for me to relinquish any of my liberties except for the good of the country on a very temporary basis. You know, this has really been an excellent, thought provoking discussion. Whats the old saying, two heads are better than one? Theres another one too...the more eyes looking at something, the better the perception.

Couldnt agree more...well said.

Couldnt agree more. The politics of polarization have poisoned the the ability of this country to compromise and function as it was intended. Moderation has become veiwed as weakwilled evil by both extremes when it is what reasonable men have pursued since the dawn of time. Wierd how that happens... I agree rights have obligations. That is the hallmark of any good civilization. But to search when nothing has been done wrong even if someone fits a so-called profile smacks of a rights violation in itself. Remember Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, and countless other dictatorships. Its called un-lawful search and seizure. Americans hate it. Even if the search is completely un-obtrusive with modern technology, it still smacks of "Big Brother" watching us. What gave him the right to do that? 9/11 and the possibility of more such attacks? Im sorry, but aint we fighting a war because of that attack? They hit us, we hit back, simple as that. And law-abiding citizens dont lose the rights thier soldiers are told they are defending. We require a warrent here after due evidence has been demonstrated. Its in our Bill of Rights. In America it is presumed you are innocent till proven guilty. Yes violence has become more prevalent, only a blind fool would think not. But I, and the VAST majority of law-abiding Americans, should not be required to relinquish one iota of our civil rights to satisfy anyone elses justifications...that is wrong. To violate human and civil rights in the name of crime fighting, or terrorism, or whatever the "in" word is this particular day is taking the simplistic easy way out of a difficult issue/problem at the expense of freedom. Thats un-American. That is exactly the kind of goverment interferance this topic was started in protest of. Bill of Rights... Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.