127th TFS F-100C's

[CSomers611]

The 127th TFS operated the F-100C Super Sabre from 1961–1971 as part of the Kansas Air National Guard located at McConnell AFB, Kansas. 

I wanted to bless the SF2 skies with some of their liveries.... I've ended up with (4) variations.

1961-1965 

1965-1968

1968-1969 January 1968, following the North Korea seizure of the USS Pueblo (AGER-2), the unit was ordered to extended active duty, and deployed to Kunsan Air Base, South Korea. The unit was assigned to the 354th Tactical Fighter Wing until release from active duty and return to state control in June 1969.

1969-1971 

 

I've confirmed (10) different tail numbers of F-100C's operated by the 127th TFS. I'm still working on the 1965 era skin, having a little bit of issues with the red design around the intake and on the fuselage. Trying to get it to look like this:

I'll keep tinkering with it.

 

[dtmdragon]

Nice maybe it will help me finally finish my 'Pueblo incident' mod....

 

 

[CSomers611]

9 hours ago, dtmdragon said:

Nice maybe it will help me finally finish my 'Pueblo incident' mod....

 

 

That would be nice to have! 

[CSomers611]

yakarov79 was gracious enough to grant permission to use his newly released F-100C/D skins for these, so I did a few quick tweaks and got the decals showing on his skins. These are by far better than what I had started with!

 

Here's the newest variation of the Kansas Super Sabres.....

1961-1965 McConnell AFB, Kansas (Minor Work Left)

1965-1969 McConnell AFB, Kansas (still in works)

1968-1969 Deployment to Kunsan AB, RoK (Minor work left)

1969-1971 McConnell AFB, Kansas (Minor Work Left)

 

Still working on tail numbers, tweaking decals, and a few minor changes on the skins for most of these. The most difficult one for me is the 1965-1968, the red/white details around the front windscreen and air intake and on the fuselage are a struggle for me currently!

[Wrench]

Looking good! Have (and had) a lot of relatives in Kansas, mostly Topeka.

I assume you'll be using the 'sf2 date switch' for the year changes? 

I'm sure I've seen a Hun skin with the wrap-around nose colors ... just can't remember where. 

[CSomers611]

14 minutes ago, Wrench said:

Looking good! Have (and had) a lot of relatives in Kansas, mostly Topeka.

I assume you'll be using the 'sf2 date switch' for the year changes? 

I'm sure I've seen a Hun skin with the wrap-around nose colors ... just can't remember where. 

I am from Kansas originally, I grew up around the 184th Kansas Air National Guard as my Father was full-time there. I remember going to work with him during my school breaks and getting to enjoy all the planes. I later served in the unit after I left the Army and before going Active Duty Air Force.

How does the SF2 "Date Switch" work? I've got Start and EndDefaultDate entered for all the skins.

I thought I had as well but no dice so far!

[Wrench]

It's actually pretty easy ...

in the textureset ini, you add this line as below --> (f-104c used as example)

Quote

[TextureSet003]
Directory=PRANG
Name=198th FIS, PR ANG
Nation=USAF
StartDefaultDate=1969      <-----
Specular=0.400000
Glossiness=0.400000
Reflection=0.000000
DecalNumberRandomize=TRUE
DecalNumberBlockSize=26
DecalNumberStart=0
DecalNumberEnd=25
 

So, for the first NMF ANG skin would read

StartDefaultDate=1961

For the 2nd skin, 

StartDefaultDate=1966

(I gave it a little extra, you can still put 1965 there if you want)

and so on for the others. Try to avoid overlaps, if possible (ie: whole years as I've never tested calling a specific date)

Mind you, the only major drawback is, those skins with official dates WILL take precedent over any stock ones without. So, they automatically are the 1st available on the drop-down list.

 

 

 

[CSomers611]

Okay, good to know as I have set dates like that already but wasn’t fully aware of how it would work. Thanks for the insight!

[daddyairplanes]

i throw them in, but for ANG sqns i usually comment them out. if the end user wants to make that default, proper cursor placement and two clicks will have them on their way. but thats just me

lookin good so far. would darken the tail stripe on the SEA scheme a little or boost teh opacity of the decal (or skin layer) just a little. 

SEA schemes can be a pain for stripes.  too lite or low opacity and youre see through. too dark or high and it looks like a sticker from a kids coloring book. takes time to master, and i still dont consider myself to have mastered it 

edit after reading a little more..

are you trying to do the red nose through skin or decal?

Edited Saturday at 01:24 AM by daddyairplanes

[CSomers611]

1 hour ago, daddyairplanes said:

i throw them in, but for ANG sqns i usually comment them out. if the end user wants to make that default, proper cursor placement and two clicks will have them on their way. but thats just me

lookin good so far. would darken the tail stripe on the SEA scheme a little or boost teh opacity of the decal (or skin layer) just a little. 

SEA schemes can be a pain for stripes.  too lite or low opacity and youre see through. too dark or high and it looks like a sticker from a kids coloring book. takes time to master, and i still dont consider myself to have mastered it 

edit after reading a little more..

are you trying to do the red nose through skin or decal?

The red/white tail stripes is something I'm still working on, trying to get it right due to the reasons you mentioned.

As for the red nose and the design on the fuselage, I think might need to be through the skin but maybe a decal would work; just can't get it right myself currently either way.

This is what I'm aiming for.....

 

[CSomers611]

12 hours ago, daddyairplanes said:

lookin good so far. would darken the tail stripe on the SEA scheme a little or boost teh opacity of the decal (or skin layer) just a little. 

SEA schemes can be a pain for stripes.  too lite or low opacity and youre see through. too dark or high and it looks like a sticker from a kids coloring book. takes time to master, and i still dont consider myself to have mastered it 

Thanks to yakarov79, the 1968 and 1969 Era Skins are pretty much done.....he took care of the tail stripe and ANG Badge issues for me!

I think they look great!

Regarding the 1961 era skin:

I'm pretty satisfied with it, still looking into a few things. Mainly trying to iron out when the 127th TFS operated the Huns looking like this. They were in this scheme when the unit climbed into the -100's in 1961, just not sure if they looked like this all the way till 1965 or not.

The 1965 Hun skin is still in the works....Plus I am still trying to verify tail numbers.

Edited Saturday at 02:12 PM by CSomers611

[yakarov79]

3 hours ago, CSomers611 said:

I think they ...

Do not use the TANK335_F100 skin from the D model in C. I can see that the green paint is not aligned. Skins might look the same between C-D, but there are a lot of differences.

[Wrench]

Have you check at "Forgotten Jets"?

https://forgottenjets.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/index.html

or Joe Baugher's Page (he passed a few years ago, but Thank the Maker the pages are still there). You'll have to go with approx years the birds were made...

https://www.aircraftinformation.info/JB_AIF/index.htm

[daddyairplanes]

2 hours ago, Wrench said:

Have you check at "Forgotten Jets"?

https://forgottenjets.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/index.html

or Joe Baugher's Page (he passed a few years ago, but Thank the Maker the pages are still there). You'll have to go with approx years the birds were made...

https://www.aircraftinformation.info/JB_AIF/index.htm

ran through both while doing ANG D and Fs. and hopin to do some more over the summer with OA-37s, OV-10s and 0-2s (notice a pattern )

i will say the best use for Baughers site is to both determine write off dates for those that crashed, and AMARC dates. if you line up when a unit swapped jets against when a bunch of planes arrive in the boneyard, you can get good handle on who had which serial

Edited Saturday at 08:39 PM by daddyairplanes

[CSomers611]

4 hours ago, yakarov79 said:

Do not use the TANK335_F100 skin from the D model in C. I can see that the green paint is not aligned. Skins might look the same between C-D, but there are a lot of differences.

I corrected this....thanks for the catch!

[CSomers611]

While researching tail #’s, I stumbled on another photo that may have changed my time line a bit for these skins.

I have always heard of the 127th having shark teeth on at least a few of their Huns but hadn’t seen an actual photo of it till now.

This scheme sounds as though it was post 68-69 deployment to Korea. I’m working to confirm a few things.

[yakarov79]

Yes one or two in Kunsan had teeth. Have somewhere one picture from “flying home”

also notice Kansas state outlined on red band. And lack of ANG crest

[CSomers611]

1 hour ago, yakarov79 said:

Yes one or two in Kunsan had teeth. Have somewhere one picture from “flying home”

also notice Kansas state outlined on red band. And lack of ANG crest

Yep, the lack of the ANG Crest was due to being federalized and brought on to Active Duty.

The Kansas Outline and the Shark Teeth, from what I was told weren't on every Hun, and as you said may have been limited to just a few of them. Just trying to identify which ones, and for how long did they wear them post deployment.

Would love to see the "Coming Home" photo if you can ever find it.

[Wrench]

thought I'd seen a listing for the Kansas ANG Huns...

the 127th IS listed in the squadron list ini. Those are stock decals, it's just missing the nose markings and the fuselage swoosh. This should save you some decal making time

The same decals are used on the F-100C (no suffix) and the F-100C_65

[yakarov79]

 

this one is dated 1969(?) but this is US...F and C.

 

According to trustworthy sources (but have not checked it personally), 354th TFW had in inventory the following aircraft...

54-1828    F-100C-15-NA, this one had no red band when photographed in Itazuke 
54-1877    F-100C-20-NA
54-1921    F-100C-20-NA
54-1942    F-100C-20-NA
54-2049    F-100C-25-NA had red band but no Kansas state outline and 2 color serial number on tail

 

[CSomers611]

1 hour ago, Wrench said:

thought I'd seen a listing for the Kansas ANG Huns...

the 127th IS listed in the squadron list ini. Those are stock decals, it's just missing the nose markings and the fuselage swoosh. This should save you some decal making time

The same decals are used on the F-100C (no suffix) and the F-100C_65

This is what I’ve done for the _65 scheme. Just trying to get the fuselage swoosh, intake, and KANS AIR GUARD correct.

Edited Sunday at 08:10 PM by CSomers611

[CSomers611]

1 hour ago, yakarov79 said:

 

this one is dated 1969(?) but this is US...F and C.

 

According to trustworthy sources (but have not checked it personally), 354th TFW had in inventory the following aircraft...

54-1828    F-100C-15-NA, this one had no red band when photographed in Itazuke 
54-1877    F-100C-20-NA
54-1921    F-100C-20-NA
54-1942    F-100C-20-NA
54-2049    F-100C-25-NA had red band but no Kansas state outline and 2 color serial number on tail

 

Thank you for these photos and information! 

I’ve spoken with an old squadron member who was on the 1968-1969 Korea Deployment. He advised he believed they had taken 1 if not 2 of the F models when they deployed.

He also stated he recalled redeploying state side in June/July 1969. They had 1 of their C models get stranded in Hawaii for 7 weeks due to an engine replacement. The squadron left one of their Active Duty pilots there who turned it into a vacation for him and his wife.

[Wrench]

What you need to find is a good, fairly large side view of the swoosh. From that , it's pretty easy to make a decal from it

the nose decal is easy -- knocked that in 2 minutes!

[Wrench]

whoops -- forget to add the tga. If you can use it, cool. If not, it's cool too! Painted in the correct Insignia Blue. The opacity is 90%

to test it, I just used the stock skin and decals.

KsANG.7z

[CSomers611]

1 hour ago, Wrench said:

whoops -- forget to add the tga. If you can use it, cool. If not, it's cool too! Painted in the correct Insignia Blue. The opacity is 90%

to test it, I just used the stock skin and decals.

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Thank you! Between you and yakarov79, this one should be squared away and do it justice!