Interesting SAM Info

[+Dave 2,322]

Was going through the weps pack and was looking up various SAM's and compared them to their real world counterparts.

 

SA-9

In game

IR Guided with optical back up

 

Real World

IR Guided with optical back up

 

SA-15

In game

Radio Command with optical back up

 

Real World

Semi Active Homing Radar with optical back up

 

SA-8

In game

Radio Command with optical back up

 

Real World

Semi Active Homing Radar with optical back up

 

SA-6

In game

Semi Active Homing Radar with optical back up

 

Real World

Semi Active Homing Radar with optical back up

 

SA-3

In game

Semi Active Homing Radar

 

Real World

Semi Active Homing Radar

 

SA-13

In game

IR Guided with optical back up

 

Real World

IR Guided with optical back up

 

SA-19

In game

Semi Active Homing Radar with optical back up

 

Real World

Semi Active Homing Radar with optical back up

 

SA-7

In game

IR Guided with optical back up

 

Real World

IR Guided

 

I think this might help answer why sometimes chaff, ECM and or stealth might not work. I mean if it has optical back up, unless you cloak, you are a viable target.

[+Viggen 644]

Thats interesting. I knew that SA-6 got me.

 

What about the SA-2.

[+Dave 2,322]

Thats interesting. I knew that SA-6 got me.

 

What about the SA-2.

 

I didn't bother to look it up as I know it didn't have optical back up.

[Sgt.KAR98 0]

Are all these SA´s here to download?

 

There was one that is scary.Looks like a lot of flares coming in your direction.

I guess it´s the 19.

[+Dave 2,322]

Are all these SA´s here to download?

 

There was one that is scary.Looks like a lot of flares coming in your direction.

I guess it´s the 19.

 

 

Should be in the weps packs.

[Wrench 9,913]

The missiles are in the weapons pak

 

The associated launchers and radars are in various vehicles pak (ie: Pasko's SAMs and Vehicle Pak, available in both Desert and Euro camos)

 

Also available are the Stinger Site, upgraded Chapparels and a host of others...just be aware there may be a problem with the S-60 (or is it the KS-60??? -- some kind of LOD issue, so don't use it)

 

Take a look in this thread:

 

Link!! -->Filling In the Blanks: Ground Objects <--LINK!!

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[Caesar 305]

I think this might help answer why sometimes chaff, ECM and or stealth might not work. I mean if it has optical back up, unless you cloak, you are a viable target.

 

"Where aaaaaaaare you? There you are!" *BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM!!!*

 

Well, I'm personally greatful that the missiles don't talk like those damn turrets in Portal. Didn't know optical backup was modeled in the game...lack of attention to detail on my part.

[FastCargo 412]

Interesting too...seems like we may have to alter a few SAMs...

 

Wonder if it would make them more or less of a challenge.

 

FastCargo

[BUFF 8]

I didn't bother to look it up as I know it didn't have optical back up.

I'm sure that the SA-2 has optical backup?

[+Dave 2,322]

I'm sure that the SA-2 has optical backup?

 

Nope it was a radar guided only. The radar could only lock onto one target at a time and it could direct all is missiles against that target.

 

The launchers may be dug into pits, left at ground level or hardened in concrete revetments. The battery command post fire control team and its computer, the Fan Song missile control radar, the P-12 Spoon Rest early warning radar, and typically six reload rounds on their articulated trailers are all located in the center of the launchers array.

 

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/v-75.htm

[BUFF 8]

SA-2F (1968->) has an optical backup.

(So does SA-3)

[+Gocad 26]

I mean if it has optical back up, unless you cloak, you are a viable target.

 

*CLONK!*

 

(cue obscure movie reference)

 

scnr

[+Dave 2,322]

SA-2F (1968->) has an optical backup.

(So does SA-3)

 

But it is not a guidance method, like with a control stick. It is a targeting tool to let the command guidance work in a heavy ECM environment.

 

Big difference.

[kukulino 1]

I want have SAM models close to real SAMs.

 

According to your first post are "problematic" these SAMs:

 

SA-15

SA-8

SA-7

 

SA-8 - you have Radio Command with optical back up in game (in your first post), but I have Semi-Active Radar Homing and no optical back up in game (WP Jul 2006)

 

SA-15 - in MF pack is Radio Command Guided with optical backup (as you wrote) + Terminal guidance

 

SA-7 - in game with optical back up, in world without optical backup

 

 

So all I need is set parametres in Weapon editor according real world?

[+Dave 2,322]

I want have SAM models close to real SAMs.

 

According to your first post are "problematic" these SAMs:

 

SA-15

SA-8

SA-7

 

SA-8 - you have Radio Command with optical back up in game (in your first post), but I have Semi-Active Radar Homing and no optical back up in game (WP Jul 2006)

 

SA-15 - in MF pack is Radio Command Guided with optical backup (as you wrote) + Terminal guidance

 

SA-7 - in game with optical back up, in world without optical backup

 

 

So all I need is set parametres in Weapon editor according real world?

 

So what we may need to do it set the parameters to real world spec and post them in the weps thread and show people how to make adjustments accordingly.

[+Typhoid 231]

I didn't bother to look it up as I know it didn't have optical back up.

 

 

wanna bet?

[+Typhoid 231]

But it is not a guidance method, like with a control stick. It is a targeting tool to let the command guidance work in a heavy ECM environment.

 

Big difference.

 

not quite. but not willing to discuss here.

[+Dave 2,322]

not quite. but not willing to discuss here.

 

Thus why I didn't go into details.

[+Typhoid 231]

Thus why I didn't go into details.

 

 

right.

 

OK, let me step back into a level of generalities and including the broad group of systems. In this SIMULATION what we want to see is the approximate replication of the overall system capabilities of the various weapons. In this regards, there might be something in the tables of capabilties that might not be exactly accurate, but might make the particular weapon perform IN THE SIMULATION roughly equivelant to how the particular weapon performs in real life. Also keep in mind the overall system, not just the particular missile or weapon airframe in question.

 

so, having said that, my suggestion is to keep the EO for several of the radar/command guided SAMs.

[Stevo75 0]

Hey guys some of you have given me advice on stuff already such as which flight sim to get, ive chosen WoE. Now having done this where do i start on these forums for patching and getting some extra planes an mods. do i need to be an expert in computer wizardry to setup these addons or is it quite simple?

Hoooa.

[JediMaster 451]

Just to clarify, am I to understand that some of the details of a 40 yr old Russian SAM system are classified??

[+Typhoid 231]

Just to clarify, am I to understand that some of the details of a 40 yr old Russian SAM system are classified??

 

yes, sir.

[+Viggen 644]

yes, sir.

 

Could that be becuase nations still use it?

[+Dave 2,322]

Just to clarify, am I to understand that some of the details of a 40 yr old Russian SAM system are classified??

 

 

Without a doubt.

[Kirsten 0]

Without a doubt.

 

Even more probably because the countermeasures are still classified .........?

 

Aju,

 

Derk