Bad To The Bone...

[+Dave]

SSgt Samuel O. Turner Mig-21 B-52 #6676 Call Sign – Brown 3

 

On 18 December 1972 near Hanoi , North Vietnam SSgt Turner, a B-52 Fire Control Operator (Gunner), shot down a MIG-21. For his action the 30 year old Atlanta , Georgia native was awarded the Silver Star. Turner retired from the Air Force with the rank of MSgt. He passed away 12 April 1985 as the result of an illness.

 

AIC Albert E. Moore MIG-21 B-52 #5083 Call Sign – Ruby 03

 

On 24 December 1972 near the Thai Nguyen railroad yards, North Vietnam. Moore, a B-52 Fire Control Operator (Gunner), shot down a MIG-21.

 

There were 3 probables too.

[Jug]

SSgt Samuel O. Turner Mig-21 B-52 #6676 Call Sign – Brown 3

 

On 18 December 1972 near Hanoi , North Vietnam SSgt Turner, a B-52 Fire Control Operator (Gunner), shot down a MIG-21. For his action the 30 year old Atlanta , Georgia native was awarded the Silver Star. Turner retired from the Air Force with the rank of MSgt. He passed away 12 April 1985 as the result of an illness.

 

AIC Albert E. Moore MIG-21 B-52 #5083 Call Sign – Ruby 03

 

On 24 December 1972 near the Thai Nguyen railroad yards, North Vietnam. Moore, a B-52 Fire Control Operator (Gunner), shot down a MIG-21.

 

There were 3 probables too.

BUFF Gunners (Bulldogs) are a tough lot. I don't think we lost that many BUFFs to MiG attacks over Hanoi. My own gunner, LeRoy Shook, was a moonshine mountain man from Colorado and was always slavering to shoot down a Canadian 101 (Canadian F-101s from 425 Squadron at Bagotville, and others, used to practice intercepts on Loring BUFFS when we were motoring around on navigation practice legs over upper Canada). I was for it, but my copilot, Chris Tengeblad from Chicago, told me it would be bad for international relations. Imagine that from a guy from south Chicago. My EWO, Len Wakefield, slept through the whole deal, but promised that he could smoke the on-board radar sets on the 101 with small spike from our jammers. At the very least, sterilize the aircrew. I was for that, too, but my copilot interceeded again.

[+Dave]

BUFF Gunners (Bulldogs) are a tough lot. I don't think we lost that many BUFFs to MiG attacks over Hanoi. My own gunner, LeRoy Shook, was a moonshine mountain man from Colorado and was always slavering to shoot down a Canadian 101 (Canadian F-101s from 425 Squadron at Bagotville, and others, used to practice intercepts on Loring BUFFS when we were motoring around on navigation practice legs over upper Canada). I was for it, but my copilot, Chris Tengeblad from Chicago, told me it would be bad for international relations. Imagine that from a guy from south Chicago. My EWO, Len Wakefield, slept through the whole deal, but promised that he could smoke the on-board radar sets on the 101 with small spike from our jammers. At the very least, sterilize the aircrew. I was for that, too, but my copilot interceeded again.

 

fricken, frackin. *&%^(&*%(^%$# @# co pilots......*(^&%^$*%)(&%%$@#

[+ST0RM]

BUFF Gunners (Bulldogs) are a tough lot. I don't think we lost that many BUFFs to MiG attacks over Hanoi. My own gunner, LeRoy Shook, was a moonshine mountain man from Colorado and was always slavering to shoot down a Canadian 101 (Canadian F-101s from 425 Squadron at Bagotville, and others, used to practice intercepts on Loring BUFFS when we were motoring around on navigation practice legs over upper Canada). I was for it, but my copilot, Chris Tengeblad from Chicago, told me it would be bad for international relations. Imagine that from a guy from south Chicago. My EWO, Len Wakefield, slept through the whole deal, but promised that he could smoke the on-board radar sets on the 101 with small spike from our jammers. At the very least, sterilize the aircrew. I was for that, too, but my copilot interceeded again.

 

What? The Co actually had a say in what you did? And all this before the current CRM training. I'm impressed.

 

Jug, your stories rock. I'm posting them for our guys to read within my squadron. They'll get a kick out them also.

 

Thanks!

[MigBuster]

MiG-21 units claimed 2 x B-52Ds - not confirmed by the USAF who said both were taken down by SAMs

 

Quite a few claims and pilot accounts by the NV pilots are attributed to SAMs/AAA - understandable in the heat of battle - get hit by something - was it flak or a MiG you had no idea was sneaking up your tail!

 

edit: a 3rd B-52 claimed as damaged 21 Nov 71

Edited October 21, 2008 by MigBuster

[calvinb1nav]

Wow, this addon looks sweet! Can't wait!

Incidentally, the B-1 can carry 84 Mk-82 with the MAU-93 low drag fin kit or 81 Mk-82s with the BSU-33 low drag fin kit. The MAU-93 isn't made anymore and with the BSU-33 fin, it's slightly longer and so won't fit on one of the upper stations of the 28 bomb carry module. When you drop a whole string of these, it feels like you're driving over railroad tracks in a car. With the larger Mk-84, it's just a big thunk since we can only drop one at a time per bay due to it being on a rotary launcher. When the launcher rotates, you can feel the whole plane move because of it though. Also, I doubt the Bone will drop any more dumb Mk-82s in combat because of collateral damage concerns. The Bone has just been using the 2000lb GBU-31 JDAM and 500lb GBU-38 JDAM weapons in Iraq/Afghanistan as of late.

 

Low level flying is pretty neat in the B-1 but it's of limited utility now because of all the low-altitude threats these days. We still practice it quite a bit but we haven't dropped any bombs at low altitude in combat. We WSOs don't like low level as much as the pilots because it's very easy to become airsick in the back with only the small side windows (we call them day/night indicators) for visual reference.

 

PBAR

http://bonewso.net

[GASCAN39]

Excellent info in this thread. Whilst passing through Dubais in Nov 05, I observed two Bones on the ramp, anyone in the know have any idea why they would be there? The UAE airshows are in Jan normally. Just thought it odd that although they tolerate westerners there, I would not think they would allow operational missions downrange to stage out of there. Even the imams end their call to prayers with some statement about freeing their part of the world of the "oppressors".

[GwynO]

Welcome to Combat Ace Calvin, always good to here from people with real experience.

[+Dave]

Wow another B-1 guy, you and FastCargo should talk. He is a former B-1 driver.

[FastCargo]

We WSOs don't like low level as much as the pilots because it's very easy to become airsick in the back with only the small side windows (we call them day/night indicators) for visual reference.

 

Heh, I remember that...the windows aren't even at eye level so you can't get a decent view unless you lean forward and down...talk about a great way to get airsick...

 

Welcome to CA calvin...we've got a B-1 nose gunner, a GIB, and a MX troop here (anyone seen CowboyTodd lately) now. You a current dude in the Bone?

 

FC

[+ST0RM]

Welcome to CA, Calvin!

 

We've been working with the school house a lot lately, down in the Lancer MOA. Maybe I've passed you some gas.

 

Cheers!

Storm

[GASCAN39]

Great web site Calvin! Lots of good info on a fascinating airplane. (Witnessed a GA ANG B-ONE do a barrell roll at the Robins AFB open house in 1998.) I can only imagine those long flights, it seems all bombers were designed with crew space as an afterthought!

[sugarblues]

BUFF Gunners (Bulldogs) are a tough lot. I don't think we lost that many BUFFs to MiG attacks over Hanoi. My own gunner, LeRoy Shook, was a moonshine mountain man from Colorado and was always slavering to shoot down a Canadian 101 (Canadian F-101s from 425 Squadron at Bagotville, and others, used to practice intercepts on Loring BUFFS when we were motoring around on navigation practice legs over upper Canada). I was for it, but my copilot, Chris Tengeblad from Chicago, told me it would be bad for international relations. Imagine that from a guy from south Chicago. My EWO, Len Wakefield, slept through the whole deal, but promised that he could smoke the on-board radar sets on the 101 with small spike from our jammers. At the very least, sterilize the aircrew. I was for that, too, but my copilot interceeded again.

 

Jug,

 

Your EWO wanted to smoke the Radar... heck, CAF Voodoo's did that often enough without any help! Glad you didn't smoke one of 'em... even in those days, one a/c lost represented a major portion of our inventory!

 

SB

[sparkomatic]

- actually Calvin joined 4 years ago...he just believes "silence is golden"...

[calvinb1nav]

Heh, I remember that...the windows aren't even at eye level so you can't get a decent view unless you lean forward and down...talk about a great way to get airsick...

 

Welcome to CA calvin...we've got a B-1 nose gunner, a GIB, and a MX troop here (anyone seen CowboyTodd lately) now. You a current dude in the Bone?

 

FC

 

Left in 2004 to teach at Nav School and now I'm currently an exchange student at the Korean AF Staff College. Have to do a staff tour at Osan and then go back to the Bone finally. Gonna be a like learning a new jet by the time I get back because of the new targeting pod, new INSes, DAS upgrades, and the 3-4 software revisions... Still talk to my buds still flying them on a regularly basis though.

 

Someone asked about the Bones at Dubai. My guess would be an airshow (one of my friends mentioned something about an airshow in the Middle East that no one wanted to go to) or an divert because of an inflight emergency.

 

PBAR

[EricJ]

The Sniper? Yeah it's good, money actually

[rotarycrazy]

This is a good site, dont know how acurate but good info:

 

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_244.shtml

 

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_243.shtml

 

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_245.shtml

 

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_246.shtml

[DEVIL11]

Got the b-1 and put a cockpit ini in their but i still cant fly it how do u guys fly the plane as flyable in single player

[Silverbolt]

Got the b-1 and put a cockpit ini in their but i still cant fly it how do u guys fly the plane as flyable in single player

 

Devil, there is a version with a dedicated cockpit released by FC & Team last year, look in SF2 planes section.

[DEVIL11]

Is it called the B-1B Redux

[EricJ]

Yes

[DEVIL11]

Ok thanks