i fight by 1 0 Posted June 2, 2009 (edited) http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-gener...1/Brazil.Plane/ <--- "...the strip of wreckage included metallic and nonmetallic pieces, but did not describe them in detail. No bodies were spotted in the crash of the Airbus in which all aboard are believed to have died." :( Edited June 2, 2009 by i fight by 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted June 2, 2009 (edited) the brazilian ministry of defense, saide we found a 5 km debris stripe area ....the first photos should be out at any time now...since its night here. Edited June 2, 2009 by Silverbolt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firehawkordy 34 Posted June 2, 2009 Reuters,CNN,FOX et al reporting debris is from the downed flight. Air France stated that the planes automated maintenance system reported TEN separate system malfunctions. Last known altitude was 7 miles up so this not going to have a happy ending. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted June 3, 2009 FAB Photos: they found more 4 sites of debris....some pieces had 7m diameter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Typhoid 231 Posted June 3, 2009 the reported dispersal of debris fields is consistent with a breakup at altitude locating the black box will be tough in that part of the ocean because of the depth and terrain. If we can detect the signal, then it may be possible for a deep submergence vehicle to get to it. very sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted June 3, 2009 the reported dispersal of debris fields is consistent with a breakup at altitude locating the black box will be tough in that part of the ocean because of the depth and terrain. If we can detect the signal, then it may be possible for a deep submergence vehicle to get to it. very sad. France sent 2 submarines to the region those can operate at 6200m deep...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Typhoid 231 Posted June 3, 2009 France sent 2 submarines to the region those can operate at 6200m deep...... hopefully they can pick up the signal. the pinger in the box from the airliner I was hunting for, way back when, continued to operate for several weeks. So there is some hope we will be able to find these boxes. The problem will be the rough terrain with canyons and such that could potentially block the signal or result in multipath echoes. Time will tell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted June 3, 2009 hopefully they can pick up the signal. the pinger in the box from the airliner I was hunting for, way back when, continued to operate for several weeks. So there is some hope we will be able to find these boxes. The problem will be the rough terrain with canyons and such that could potentially block the signal or result in multipath echoes. Time will tell. i Hope So :/ the media here says the Blackbox still broadcasting the singal for 30 days after the crash.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charlielima 328 Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) Any of ya'll check out this site?: http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/af447/ Some WX analysis and ocean bottom imagery of the scene. :ph34r: CL Edited June 4, 2009 by charlielima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted June 4, 2009 Any of ya'll check out this site?:http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/af447/ Some WX analysis and ocean bottom imagery of the scene. :ph34r: CL i was reading here...the media to got the same information... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macelena 1,070 Posted June 5, 2009 Bump.The debris isn´t from the Airbus, FAB LtGen said. wtf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest a10boar Posted June 5, 2009 Bump.The debris isn´t from the Airbus, FAB LtGen said. wtf Yep,read this here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090605/ap_on_...ca/brazil_plane Just do not what to make of this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Jug 99 Posted June 5, 2009 Yep,read this here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090605/ap_on_...ca/brazil_plane Just do not what to make of this. My heart and prayers go out to the families. RIP. I am especially proud of the joint forces who have jumped in and allocated resources to the search. Defense is not the only role our armed forces do. My congratulations to the aircrew and naval forces who are involved in the search, which must be difficult and heart-breaking. The Airbus is quite a reliable aircraft. So arises the suspicion of terrorism. I know it is not PC to say terrorism any more, but the suddenness and completeness of the destruction of the aircraft certainly leads to thoughts along those lines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TX3RN0BILL 3 Posted June 5, 2009 Yeah, cause the alternative theories would all point to tinfoil-hat-theories... :ph34r: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Typhoid 231 Posted June 5, 2009 Yep,read this here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090605/ap_on_...ca/brazil_plane Just do not what to make of this. having hunted for downed aircraft, including an airliner, and missing ships and stuff; I can tell you that there is a lot of junk floating around on the surface of the ocean that has to be sorted through as you go through a search area. It is a long and meticulous process. We were picking stuff up for six weeks before we were withdrawn from the search effort. When we shifted from Search-and-Rescue to Search-and-Recovery it was a heart-rending point, as Jug points out. Then the search team is picking up all kinds of junk floating around from who knows where and sorting through it to determine if it came from the aircraft you're looking for or something else. They did report a seat and an oil slick on the first day, but were unable to recover the seat due to the sea state. Now they can't find it which means its probably sunk. That is a pretty good indication that is where the aircraft crashed, but without being able to recover any debris that clearly came from the aircraft they can't say with absolute certainty. A lot of speculation and nothing can be ruled in or out. I doubt the terrorism possibility simply because the crash did occur in a major storm system, but no one at this point can rule that out either. So we will see. I doubt we will ever find out unless by a stroke of extraordinarily good fortune, the black boxes can be located and recovered. At this point all we have is the fragmentary info from the onboard systems received prior to the aircraft breakup and the recorded weather data at the time. Time will tell. My prayers are for those lost at sea and their families ashore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted June 5, 2009 having hunted for downed aircraft, including an airliner, and missing ships and stuff; I can tell you that there is a lot of junk floating around on the surface of the ocean that has to be sorted through as you go through a search area. It is a long and meticulous process. We were picking stuff up for six weeks before we were withdrawn from the search effort. When we shifted from Search-and-Rescue to Search-and-Recovery it was a heart-rending point, as Jug points out. Then the search team is picking up all kinds of junk floating around from who knows where and sorting through it to determine if it came from the aircraft you're looking for or something else. They did report a seat and an oil slick on the first day, but were unable to recover the seat due to the sea state. Now they can't find it which means its probably sunk. That is a pretty good indication that is where the aircraft crashed, but without being able to recover any debris that clearly came from the aircraft they can't say with absolute certainty. A lot of speculation and nothing can be ruled in or out. I doubt the terrorism possibility simply because the crash did occur in a major storm system, but no one at this point can rule that out either. So we will see. I doubt we will ever find out unless by a stroke of extraordinarily good fortune, the black boxes can be located and recovered. At this point all we have is the fragmentary info from the onboard systems received prior to the aircraft breakup and the recorded weather data at the time. Time will tell. My prayers are for those lost at sea and their families ashore. yeah, i'm starting to think they will never found the plane debris...one brazilian Black Hawk Pilot said their BHs don't have range to search for the derbis...so...our slow ships will have to take it, but i doubt they will do it in time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Typhoid 231 Posted June 5, 2009 yeah, i'm starting to think they will never found the plane debris...one brazilian Black Hawk Pilot said their BHs don't have range to search for the derbis...so...our slow ships will have to take it, but i doubt they will do it in time. yep. Only ships can realistically do any recovery ops. The aircraft can find it but it takes the ships to recover anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macelena 1,070 Posted June 5, 2009 (edited) yep. Only ships can realistically do any recovery ops. The aircraft can find it but it takes the ships to recover anything. Bring back the Grumman Albatross, thinking of it since when heard of the misidentification on debris (Perhaps Shin Meiwa?) Edited June 5, 2009 by macelena Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted June 5, 2009 Bring back the Grumman Albatross, thinking of it since when heard of the misidentification on debris (Perhaps Shin Meiwa?) Shin Meiwa wouldn't be a bad idea...here our only hydro plane was the PBY-12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Typhoid 231 Posted June 6, 2009 wreckage and bodies now located http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525297,00.html this will give them a good place to start the black box search with sonar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted June 7, 2009 untill this isn't solved at all.... FAB posted some photos of they work... http://www.fab.mil.br/portal/capa/index.php?page=voo447 Also it was noticed that US and France Satelites are helping in the search, and France is sending an E-3 for the Area to maximise the SAR role. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Typhoid 231 Posted June 7, 2009 (edited) this is really bringing back a lot of bad memories........... Edited June 7, 2009 by Typhoid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted June 7, 2009 this is really bringing back a lot of bad memories........... have you been in such of mission? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Typhoid 231 Posted June 7, 2009 (edited) have you been in such of mission? unfortuneatly, yes. All we found was wreckage that eventually washed up on the beaches. 269 were lost in KAL007, no survivors. We shifted from search and rescue to search and recovery to find the black boxes using ships with sonar including a USCG cutter towing a tactical sonar tuned to the black box frequency. We did not recover the black boxes, the Russians found it within Soviet territorial waters were the aircraft went down. My squadron spent 7 weeks as part of the search task force starting the afternoon after the aircraft was shot down until we were withdrawn for other committments. Edited June 7, 2009 by Typhoid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted June 7, 2009 (edited) damn, that flight russians shot :( that was very sad... Edited June 7, 2009 by Silverbolt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
