Silverbolt 104 Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) now they just turn a bell jet ranger in to an 'AH-1'...and i bet this is an retrofit,not an new cell. http://www.aereo.jor.br/?p=8027&cpage=1#comment-28421 pay attention to the engine's sound also a new mini sub... http://www.naval.com.br/blog/?p=11466 Edited June 8, 2009 by Silverbolt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macelena 1,070 Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) You shouldn´t speak this way, our persian members may feel offended.... Wtf, this is ashaming What concerns me is that this people still manages to capture british patrol craft and mess in the iraq war. If they were interested in the peace on a neighbour country, maybe OK, but this industry, no matter how pathetic could look like, is arming terrorists in Iraq and Lebanon. Even Hezbollah operates their UAVs Edited June 8, 2009 by macelena Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisBV 30 Posted June 8, 2009 The mini-sub actually looks interesting :yes: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted June 8, 2009 You shouldn´t speak this way, our persian members may feel offended....Wtf, this is ashaming Edited. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macelena 1,070 Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) Edited. I wasn´t serious on that, dude Edited June 8, 2009 by macelena Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meathead 1 Posted June 8, 2009 This is nothing new, countries copy or improve other countries weapons all the time. The Americans and British improved on the German V2, the Russians copied the B-29 and AIM-54 to name a few. A country such as Iran that has trouble obtaining weapons from other nations is sometimes forced to build its own based on what it has. IMHO that helicopter is kinda ingenous, especially if the design actually has stealth characteristics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted June 8, 2009 I wasn´t serious on that, dude hee, i don't want an international diplomatic accident Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) This is nothing new, countries copy or improve other countries weapons all the time. The Americans and British improved on the German V2, the Russians copied the B-29 and AIM-54 to name a few. A country such as Iran that has trouble obtaining weapons from other nations is sometimes forced to build its own based on what it has. IMHO that helicopter is kinda ingenous, especially if the design actually has stealth characteristics. no doubt...but..damn they can get things from Russia/China, but they want independence, so.... Edited June 8, 2009 by Silverbolt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Jimbib 747 Posted June 9, 2009 To be honest, you can see this kind of thing happening a mile off. Probably won't be the last time they bludgeon other countries' gear into an "indigenous" design of their own either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Jarhead1 27 Posted June 9, 2009 God can they come up with ANYTHING on their own without modding something from someone else????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted June 9, 2009 God can they come up with ANYTHING on their own without modding something from someone else????? World is Modding Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
triplethr3at 0 Posted June 9, 2009 wow very unimpressed. its a souped up bell with a carbon fiber nose. Sad actualy...its all propoganda Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SayethWhaaaa 245 Posted June 9, 2009 God can they come up with ANYTHING on their own without modding something from someone else????? If it works, why not? If someone else does the hard work and they can capitalise on it, then it works out for them. The US and Soviets were doing it for decades. I mean, they're not striving for originality here, they're developing the infrastructure to create their own arms industry. With that massive former Bell plant there, I'm not surprised they went for a Bell design mod. I figure they're not doing it with the Chinese stuff because they'd kick up a fuss and withdraw their support to the Iranian arms industry, military etc... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisBV 30 Posted June 9, 2009 God can they come up with ANYTHING on their own without modding something from someone else????? Open source RL...? Seriously, now... yes, I agree, it's quite unimpressive but consider this: how many countries on Earth can actually design/modify/upgrade, build and fly expensive and complex pieces of technology, like combat helicopters or aircraft? If you live in the US, France, Germany, the UK, Russia or any 'decent' country with the means - economic and technological (and also the social framework) - to do it, you can take things like these for granted but for a developing country, I think it's a fairly good achievement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MiG Master 2 Posted June 9, 2009 To be honest, you can see this kind of thing happening a mile off. Probably won't be the last time they bludgeon other countries' gear into an "indigenous" design of their own either. They already have, with the F-5 as the victim starting point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azarakhsh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeqeh_(warplane) Iran has also tried to reverse-engineer the HAWK SAM into a Phoenix replacement for their Tomcats, but IDK if they've succeded or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted June 9, 2009 i think tthose aren't total new planes...just like chinese did.... i think those are old cells that have been modified...the Bell and the F-5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+aleks 9 Posted June 9, 2009 ,...what a mess... they seem to copy models from model shops, not army industry.where do they find those who do the ironwork?they are worse than an oven!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hokum 0 Posted June 9, 2009 Hmm the only issue with the chopper is that it looks like its made of fiberglass, and thin plexiglass. The engine wouldn't be powerful enough to lift heavy armour and weapons. Which means you need to make it small. Well it has a firly small cross section but it's still large from a side/plan view. It'll be fine for putting down civilians from range, but anyone with a gun would rapidly poke holes in it. Also didnt most nations not bother with mini submersibles due to the rubbish range and lack of torpedoes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atreides 144 Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) Well if memory serves me right the Swedes still seem to invest in them (mini subs that is). Edited June 9, 2009 by Atreides Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hokum 0 Posted June 9, 2009 After a quick wiki the swedish subs are about 3 times bigger... 60m vs 20m length. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+EricJ 4,256 Posted June 9, 2009 God can they come up with ANYTHING on their own without modding something from someone else????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+SkippyBing 8 Posted June 9, 2009 Also didnt most nations not bother with mini submersibles due to the rubbish range and lack of torpedoes. I don't think range is a factor if you just want to block the Straits of Hormuz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted June 9, 2009 its an MiG I-2000, IIRC 'should' be the response to F-35, or an second propuse to the MFI. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
