1989 Europe campaign

[Erwin_Hans 6]

I'd like to creat a 1989 Europe campaign for NATO and WP side.

 

Based on TMF's NATO 1986.

 

And I think more morden air combat will be more fun.

 

My idea..

 

Air unit:

 

WP

 

USSR:

 

31st Gv IAP MiG-29S

85th Gv IAP MiG-29S

986th IAP MiG-29S

35th IAP MiG-29S

73th IAP MiG-29S

833th IAP MiG-23MLD

33th IAP MiG-29A

733th IAP MiG-29S

787th IAP MiG-29S

159th Gv IAP Su-27P

582ed IAP Su-27

781st IAP MiG-23MLA/MLD

296th APIB MiG-27K/M

559th APIB MiG-27K/M

911st APIB MiG-27K/M

19th Gv APIB MiG-27K

20th Gv APIB Su-17M3/M4

730th APIB Su-17M4

11th ORAP Su-24MR/MP

294th ORAP Su-17M3

931st ORAP MiG-25R

357th ISHAP Su-25

368 th ISHAP Su-25

 

and some PVO Regiments..

 

MiG-23P/MiG-25P/MiG-31s

 

DDR/DGR:

 

JBG-37 MiG-23BN

JBG-77 Su-22M4

MFG-28 Su-22M4

JG-1 MiG-21SPS/-K

JG-2 MiG-21M

JG-3 MiG-29A

JG-7 MiG-21M

JG-8 MiG-21Bis

JG-9 MiG-23ML

FAG-15 MiG-21SPS/-K

FAG-25 L-39

 

Polish:

 

2-4 Regiments

 

CZ

 

11.slp - Zatec - MiG-29A

 

28.sbolp - Caslav - MiG-23BN

 

Maybe some more WP Regiments.

 

NATO side:

 

As NATO Fighter,but will do some upgrades...

Edited November 11, 2009 by Erwin_Hans

[Slartibartfast 153]

Looks good to me... More mig-29's and Su-27's to make life interesting...

[macelena 1,070]

I felt like a 1989 campaign would fit better than a 1986 one, some warming of the Berlin issue, et cetera. 1986 was a good moment for a campaign given the variety of aircraft still in service, but

1989 will do OK.

 

About the composition of the NATO forces, i suggest to add:

 

-F-15Es from SJ, (i´m not sure, however, how operational were they),

-Spanish Air Force F/A-18 (by 1986 they were still converting to the type,i suggest 12 Wing from Torrejon AFB, same unit as the RF-4Cs already deployed in 1986)

-F-16C (Maybe also from Torrejon AFB)

-Ever thought of USAF ANG F-16 ADF? I got 159 FIS on mine

-More Tornado ADV units: By the same reason Spanish Hornets weren´t deployed in 1986, there was only a RAF squadron, might be expanded

-I miss, from NF 4, F-111E from UH. Could have been of use

- Also, French Air Force could have got a role. Even Italians could.

 

On the other hand, F-5s, F-104s, oldest Phantoms and other old stuff should be, if not deleted, diminished

 

 

By the way, i have yet to meet a MiG-29 in campaign. So add a lot, please

Edited November 7, 2009 by macelena

[TurtleHawk 6]

I would enjoy flying a more modern campaign.

Thanks for considering making one.

[macelena 1,070]

I forgot to suggest the Portuguese A-7s, these were almost officially tactical reserves for the war in Germany. Could have been ok

[+Gepard 10,230]

The MiG-29S came later. This is the mod fitted for the R-77 (AA-12 Adder) missile. I think you mean the MiG-29 (isdelije 9.13) Nato Code Fulcrum C, the one with biger tank in the back and internal jammer.

[topcat II 6]

Yes sounds good!!!

[Erwin_Hans 6]

I checked this topic..

http://forum.combatace.com/topic/37048-akce-1988-potebuju-pomoc/

And I chosed at least

 

11.slp - Zatec - MiG-29A

 

28.sbolp - Caslav - MiG-23BN

 

will be in 1989 campaign.

 

1.slp - Budejovice - MiG-23ML

 

4.slp - Pardubice - MiG-21MA, MF, (F)

 

may be in campaign too.

[Erwin_Hans 6]

I felt like a 1989 campaign would fit better than a 1986 one, some warming of the Berlin issue, et cetera. 1986 was a good moment for a campaign given the variety of aircraft still in service, but

1989 will do OK.

 

About the composition of the NATO forces, i suggest to add:

 

-F-15Es from SJ, (i´m not sure, however, how operational were they),

-Spanish Air Force F/A-18 (by 1986 they were still converting to the type,i suggest 12 Wing from Torrejon AFB, same unit as the RF-4Cs already deployed in 1986)

-F-16C (Maybe also from Torrejon AFB)

-Ever thought of USAF ANG F-16 ADF? I got 159 FIS on mine

-More Tornado ADV units: By the same reason Spanish Hornets weren´t deployed in 1986, there was only a RAF squadron, might be expanded

-I miss, from NF 4, F-111E from UH. Could have been of use

- Also, French Air Force could have got a role. Even Italians could.

 

On the other hand, F-5s, F-104s, oldest Phantoms and other old stuff should be, if not deleted, diminished

 

 

By the way, i have yet to meet a MiG-29 in campaign. So add a lot, please

 

 

I checked wiki and some PDFs...

 

Luftwaffen:

 

JBG 34 is upgrated to Tornado IDS,so there is no any F-104G in Luftwaffen.

 

JBG 32 have some Tornado ECR,not IDS.

 

RAF:

 

1-2 sqn updated to Tornado ( One updated to Tornado F.3 and one updated to Tornado GR1A

 

RCAF

 

The CF-5A is still in use. It is replaced after 1990

 

BAF

 

I checked,last Mirage-5BA was replaced after 1990

 

USAF

 

some Sqn updated to new aircrafts

 

For example:

 

23TFS F-4G--->F-16A_Blk15-NDC

 

And I 'e like to add at least one F-15E unit...maybe 335 or 336...

 

French and Italians and Spanish?

 

Checking...

Edited November 19, 2009 by Erwin_Hans

[macelena 1,070]

No Tornado ADV served with Luftwaffe, check out, maybe ECR

 

Mirage5BA even served in Desert Storm, IIRC, i didn´t mean anything about them

[Erwin_Hans 6]

No Tornado ADV served with Luftwaffe, check out, maybe ECR

 

Mirage5BA even served in Desert Storm, IIRC, i didn´t mean anything about them

 

 

Sorry,my mistake. I what to say A/G version...I always use Tornado GR..

 

So it is IDS....

[Erwin_Hans 6]

Check this..

 

Still need a long background story.

woeCamp5.rar

woeCamp5 RD.rar

[+Soulfreak 6,350]

ECR only serve with JaboG 32.

The other Squdrons fly IDS (AG 51 flyes Recce) or IDS-T.

JaboG 35??? never flew F-104 or Tornado.

only F-4F. After the reunion it was renamed to JG 73 "Steinhoff"

One Squadron F-4F and one with MiG-29G.

Edited November 19, 2009 by Soulfreak

[TurtleHawk 6]

Is this for 1st or 2nd Gen.?

[Erwin_Hans 6]

Is this for 1st or 2nd Gen.?

 

 

1st Gen

[Derk 265]

How about at that time some7 squadrons of F16A blk 10 /15 / OCU of the KLu and (if I remember it correctly) 6 squadrons of the BAF, and about 4 squadrons each for Norway and Danmark ? ..... Together a true swarm of Vipers. NF 5A's still available in 2 squadrons in 1989.

Everything readily available for DL

 

Hou doe,

 

Derk

Edited December 4, 2009 by Derk

[+sony tuckson 12]

if you had the NF-5's you need to add Mirage 5 BA's ;)

RNoAF specific vipers with dragchute will be available someday (Dutch skin along, but I think they got some drag chute equipped F-16's quite late)

[Derk 265]

Right so, same timescale, same task, just different procurement policies, both replaced by F16's.

By the way: there were quite a few dragchute equiped Vipers around in 1989 from the later batches. The older ones were being rebuilt at that time.

 

Hou doe,

 

Derk

[+sony tuckson 12]

like this?

[Derk 265]

like this?

 

 

Dank je JP !!!!!!!!!

 

 

Hou doe,

 

Derk

[Gunnar88 0]

What about Yugoslavia?

I think they would be neutral in the beginning, but when the Soviets invade Yugoslavia, it would go on the NATO side

[Erwin_Hans 6]

What about Yugoslavia?

I think they would be neutral in the beginning, but when the Soviets invade Yugoslavia, it would go on the NATO side

 

 

You know it is 1989...

[Gunnar88 0]

yes, and at that point Yugoslavia did start to break apart, but there was still hope. The nasty break-up started 1990 and escalated into a war in 1991. But with the 3rd world war, i dont think Yugoslavia would break apart. It was preparing for this scenario over 50 Years, and the today republics would know it is not a good idea to break apart.

Edited January 5, 2010 by Gunnar88

[CopperminE 0]

What need for this Campaign? (aircrafts, mods, objects)