New scenarios with stock aircraft

[macelena 1,070]

As my PC doesn´t work good with mods, i`ve got to make do with TW made stock, wich is cool if you have a fair amount of DLCs and stuff to go with. In fact, even with stock resources only i´ve learnt you can spice up the game quite a bit. The best example i could set up was an expanded Iceland campaign, available in the downloads section, gotta love flying the "underdog" Phantom in missions intended for a Tomcat. But there are also quite a few alternate scenarios i could probably mention: 

 

 

ISRAEL

 

First of all, i love fighting against the IDF. Not that i´m anti-Israel nor anything, but it is quite challenging to engage them. Specially, the IDFAF of 1982 is the meanest killing machine to face, and flying for the Syrian side is a rush, even if short...you don´t last too long. Omani Hunters and Iranian Tomcats, while requiring a severe suspension of disbelief, are great in that matter. Playing the USN or the French Navy over Lebanon is also something i was working on not too long ago.

 

Some of those scenarios include an Alpha Strike in 1967 against Hatzor Air Base by the USN as a reprisal for the attack on USS Liberty. You have both of the arguably best nations engaged. Fighting Phantoms or intercepting Skyhawks and Skyraiders as an Israeli pilot or the opposite is quite fun.

 

Another way to face the IDFAF in that era is to fly Jordanian F-104As. Historically speaking, they were withdrawn to Turkey to prevent their loss, but it is a great, not to far fetched what if. Campaign is hard, but still, the overmodded stock Starfighter is a Mirage killer. It turns epic any time i play it. 

 

 

VIETNAM

 

Another Starfighter  scenario often overlooked is their real life participation in Rolling Thunder. Historically, they weren´t credited with any kills, but they are considered to have been so much dreaded that VPAF didn´t want to risk aircraft and pilots engaging them. It is the USAF Crusader equivalent, again the 3W FM being too good compared to real-life as far as i know.

 

Being a Mirage lover, i couldn´t help but try the same with Aussie Mirages in the same role. They had RAAF Canberras there already, didn´t they?. Much more challlenging than zippers, given their energy-bleeding wing, but i love the gun system, along with the possibility of dealing a Matra R.530 faceshot when flying escort missions, as they keep flying straight at you. However, it is kind of SAM-fodder up North, so handle with care.

 

 

 

What about your experiences? 

[+daddyairplanes 10,252]

i dont fly isreal much (got it for the Mustangs and Meteors to use in Europe i'm afraid) but isn't lebanon in there too? 1983.........

 

and does that mean i shouldn't send you my SLUF skins to check out before release?

 

 

kids  pay attention to school when in class not CA.  sorry i missed the part about French Navy and USN in Lebanon...

Edited March 12, 2014 by daddyairplanes

[+dtmdragon 2,704]

I’ve tried the Aussie DLC A-4G in Vietnam which is pretty much the same any other A-4 unless you try and take it up north where it takes a hammering from SAMs due to its lack of ECM or RWR.

Another one I’ve had a lot of fun with it the DLC RNZAF A-4K in the 1979 Red Lightning campaign (I also use it in my NATO fighters mod campaigns), but again watch out because that lack of RWR is a bitch!  - But it makes for a challenging fight.

[+daddyairplanes 10,252]

one you overlooked for Vietnam.... F-14s covering the evacuation of Saigon.  real life deal buddy, VF-1 and 2 off the Enterprise April 75.

[macelena 1,070]

@daddyairplanes, Yep, did Frequent Wind too, even before i got the Tomcat Skinpack for VF-1 and the F-4N DLCs. Was cool to have an evacuation convoy with LPDs and DEGs under attack from MiGs and Beagles. You didn´t miss too much, as i put up an small thread about making a Lebanon 83 campaign but didn´t go forward with it.

 

@dtmdragon Aussie A-4Gs end up being, as you said, a bit of SAM-fodder as their RAAF mates were when up north, and not so much different from USN variants, and the same can be said about Kiwi Skyhawks. Hunters can make a great Fresco hunter, but they face the same issue. While not being so much with US fighters, you really notice when you don´t have all the electronic kit. Regarding Europe 79, i did some with unmarked Kfirs, just to try its possibilities as a low cost alternative, and without a doubt it was great

 

 

Also, i forgot to tell about Lightnings. I liked them as RSAF against Israel or a RAF What If for Nam, but i prefer the Mirage3O for the later. Not as much performance and the early Sidewinders are way worse than Red Tops, but i prefer the Deltas as a more stable platorm, along with the HUD

[+Coupi 4,395]

Hello,

 

Mainly I like scenarios with TW F-16s vs MiG-23s over Israel terrain!

 

Otherwise from TW full stock I would see these "stories":

 

Mustangs vs S-199

Meteor F.8s vs Yak-23

Mystère IVAs vs MiG-15s

Mirage IIICJs vs MiG-21s

 

To my mind the TW Israel is beautiful... However with the TW full install there are plenty of possibilities for air combat!

 

Best regards,

 

Coupi.

Edited March 12, 2014 by Coupi

[macelena 1,070]

Yak-23 would be great for Israel, don´t know how, but would rock.

 

Btw DA, i didn´t miss you Phantom skins and had them running until smoke came out of the laptop, so i´m not missing you SLUFs even if i have to install SF2 in the microwave oven.

[+daddyairplanes 10,252]

you sir......................... have just set that back another two weeks due to needing to deep clean dr pepper out of my laptop!

[macelena 1,070]

I´ve made a weird discovery playing with mirages and using Matra R.530s in SEA, as i didn´t use them (Matra missiles) that much in other scenarios; the 3O misses almost always, most often it goes ballistic right after launch, and when it manages to lock on something, it ends up going dumb when  about to hit. However, with the 3C Z/J variants, it is much more effective, even if i am much more careful with parameters with the 3O than with the Cs.

[Emp_Palpatine 501]

I do like Daddyairplanes's idea. A coverage of the fall of South Vietnam would be cool. Actually, the U.S. had some treaty of defense with Saigon!

[macelena 1,070]

Been doing some of that, like a Linebacker 3, but i would like to change it so it represents the communist offensive on its way to Saigon, and features no US aviation in the South, perhaps just navy and some Sqns in Thailand, at the very least B-52s. Combining the wide and dense AD network of Vietnam with the tech from the Yom Kippur War (basically, SA-6s, and to a much lesser extent, Shilkas) make for quite a cool offensive campaign, but so far, i just keep playing single missions with the improved USN aircraft available (A-7E_74, A-4F_74, F-4N, F-14A...) and some different scenarios, like CAS deep in the south or BARCAPs over convoys

[MigBuster 2,884]

You might be able to use some things from here if doing a campaign

 

http://combatace.com/files/file/7233-the-last-stand/