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I had to change something: Haven't tested all the 'cats yet, but the ones i did had the inner spoilers sticking up all the time (could be my control stick stuff) so i changed the below to get them to stay down, and pop up when they r supposed to. From: 'F-14D_96' Like So: [LeftSpoilerInner] SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE InputName=THRUST_VECTOR_CONTROL MaxDeflection=0.0 MinDeflection=-60.0 CDdc=0.0096 Cldc=-0.0126 Cndc=0.0004 CldcAlphaTableNumData=15 CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00 CldcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00 CldcAlphaTableData=0.415,0.877,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1 .000,1.000,0.877,0.415 CndcAlphaTableNumData=15 CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00 CndcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00 CndcAlphaTableData=1.432,1.360,1.288,1.216,1.144,1.072,1.000,0.928,1.000,1.072,1.144,1 .216,1.288,1.360,1.432 ControlRate=2.5 LockOutSpeed=FALSE ModelNodeName=Leftinnerspoiler ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL //SecondaryInputFactor=-0.4 SecondaryInputFactor=-1.0 [RightSpoilerInner] SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE InputName=THRUST_VECTOR_CONTROL //MaxDeflection=60.0 //MinDeflection=-0.0 MaxDeflection=0.0 MinDeflection=-60.0 CDdc=0.0096 Cldc=0.0126 Cndc=-0.0004 CldcAlphaTableNumData=15 CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00 CldcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00 CldcAlphaTableData=0.415,0.877,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1 .000,1.000,0.877,0.415 CndcAlphaTableNumData=15 CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00 CndcAlphaTableStartX=-28.00 CndcAlphaTableData=1.432,1.360,1.288,1.216,1.144,1.072,1.000,0.928,1.000,1.072,1.144,1 .216,1.288,1.360,1.432 ControlRate=2.5 LockOutSpeed=FALSE ModelNodeName=Rightinnerspoiler ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL //SecondaryInputFactor=0.4 SecondaryInputFactor=1.0 Also: coz i'm pikie: [FlightControl] StallSpeed=52.99 CruiseSpeed=223.32 ClimbSpeed=270.1 CornerSpeed=178.89 MaxG=9.0 MaxSpeedSL=411.3 MachLimit=2.38 MachLimitDry=1.03 PitchDamper=0.7 RollDamper=0.9 YawDamper=0.3 StabilityAugmentation=0.9 GunBoresightAngle=0.09 RocketBoresightAngle=-2.0 FlapSettingForLanding=2 FlapSettingForTakeOff=2 ***************************************************8 I am not sure where my tomcats are set at this time, but i think i had to disable them or something. Maybe the velocity threshold is to low or some such. But, I do think i recall the prob was also taking place on more than just the 'D' model (my Fav) I was working with. Lately have been messing around with the earlier jets (as Thirdwire intended.) I am having few issues. Personally, I've shot down several MiG-17s without excursions due to enemy fire or otherwise. That's not bad flying in a 'Hun". Those guys back in the 60s should have set the NVA pilots skill level to 'Normal.' Idiots! **************************************************** Uh..... I may have caused the problem with the spoilers. It possibly was caused with me turning the joystick sensitivity essentially off and or other monkeying around with files. I'll have to use the ole F6 button and take a peek in a fresh mod install soon. I remembered something. with Win Explorer copy the address to a mod install's aircraft folder Then paste it to a Command Prompt. Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601] Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. C:\Windows\System32>CD.. C:\Windows>CD.. C:\>CD C:\Users\JRDawg\Saved Games\Blah Blah\Aircraft <ENTER> C:\>\AIRCRAFT\DIR /B >AIRCRAFTLIST.LST <ENTER. If you open a Command Prompt and do this yours wont look like the above. I am sans SF1 or 2 on my laptop so made it op to look like my PCs. I would tidy up the inards of your new aircraft list then try copying it to Flight and Object folders. I don't know where it supposed 2 be. It may help with a few things. LIKE stop filling the A/C folder with all the stock planes after I deleted them again. (Leave some stock planes in there if that dont work.)