+p10ppy 2 Posted May 18, 2007 (edited) Finally its sorta kinda of finished Thanks to all those who have helped with advice And Thanks especially to TK for such a wonderful game and open design Caveats Its a polygon / texture heavy model, my rather ancient PC copes ok, but I'd suggest disabling the shadow (the shadow model screws up the damage textures as well) The Cockpit is especially over modelled but you learn from your mistakes There's a lot of outer skin colour used in the cockpit (which does not swap with the skin, see the above about mistakes and learning) I've included a black version of the cockpit as well, just copy over the required files if you love flying the black aircraft and copy back the red when you want to chance back (optional) Cockpit is almost certainly over equipped with instruments for the era (I was having fun) The RFC Skin should go with an aircraft with a Lewis gun rather than the Hotchkiss (I'm slowly getting around to making the Lewis gun) so this is just a stand-in FM is not very accurate; I went down the whole Loftin / Eberhardt route of estimating performance based on published figures, and got a FM that probably was reasonably representational, However (big however) That FM was slaughtered by existing FM’s and the AI really couldn't do much with it at all. (All was not lost though; I did learn a whole lot about aerodynamics quickly) With the current flight model the aircraft is much easier to fly and the AI can "cope"with it (The AI still seems to hit less than other with other aircraft) In all probability I"ve made the FM to good trying to help the AI Note: I've only used the FM on hard flight settings Constructive criticism appreciated Morane-Saulnier N "Bullet" Specifications Prototype: June 1914 Service Start: April 1915 Service End: Late 1916 Numbers Built: ~49 Engine: Le Rhône 9C 80 HP Rotary Length: 5.83m Height: 2.5m Wingspan: 8.242m Wing area: 11m2 Empty Weight: 188 Kg Loaded Weight: 444 Kg Speed Sea-level: 144 to 152 Kph Flight Endurance: 1h 30min Ceiling: 4000m Armament: 1 x 8mm Hotchkiss Mle 1909 144 rounds total Cockpit Instruments RPM Gauge Pressure Altimetre Gimballed Magnetic Compass Waypoint needle Pulsometre Fuel Glass Clock Loadouts Flight leader streamers Units Escadrille 159 Escadrille 390 Escadrille 394 60 Squadron RFC Installation Unrar the MOS-N.rar to a temp folder Copy the moraneN folder and its contents to your ThirdwireWWIObjectsAircraft (your path may differ) Copy all the files under the Sounds folder to the ThirdwireWWISounds folder Open your SOUNDLIST.INI (ThirdwireWWIFlight folder) in a text editor and add at the bottom [hotchkiss] Priority=NORMAL Looped=TRUE NumBuffers=4 3DSound=TRUE DopplerEffect=FALSE MaxDist=1000.000000 MinDist=50.000000 InsideConeAngle=360 OutsideConeAngle=360 ConeOutsideVolume=0 [lerhone] Priority=LOW 3DSound=TRUE DopplerEffect=TRUE Looped=TRUE NumBuffers=4 FrequencyControl=TRUE MaxDist=1500.000000 MinDist=100.000000 InsideConeAngle=360 OutsideConeAngle=360 ConeOutsideVolume=0 Copy all files under the Weapons folder to the ThirdwireWWIObjectsWeapons folder. IMPORTANT NOTE, I've included my weapondata.ini and my weapondata.dat for ease, It should contain all the available munitions to date + the streamer for the Morane, If you have added your own things to your weapons folder do not copy my weapondata files to your weapons folder, rather add the streamer_red.LOD info to your files in the established way. Thanks for your patience PS get it here (CombatAce Edited May 18, 2007 by p10ppy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+v. Deutschmark 69 Posted May 18, 2007 (S!) ALL hi ;-) WOW WOW WOW!!! Nice Nice Nice!!! I cant wait to try it, will be fun fights with Laton’s new E III. your friend in the FE sky v. Deutschmark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Spectre_USA 7 Posted May 18, 2007 Gotta concur with the 2 previous gentlemen, it looks smokin'! Hope the link is up when I get up, here in a few hours... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+christian59 8 Posted May 18, 2007 very hard work i especialy love the tired look of the plane it s a look we have so few thank you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Tailspin 3 Posted May 18, 2007 Sorry for the delay, folks. Its available now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+HerGr 9 Posted May 18, 2007 Thanx for this early war fighter. HerGr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+ravenclaw_007 7,633 Posted May 18, 2007 great work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+NeverEnough 78 Posted May 18, 2007 P10ppy, this is some incredible work. Thanks for your considerable efforts! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Tailspin 3 Posted May 18, 2007 WOW! What an excellent package! Model, screens, sounds. The cockpit is amazing...love the fuel in glass animation. About those new sounds...to get them to work you also have to add the SoundFile***= entries to the [soundList] section in the Soundlist.ini in numerical sequence like so: [soundList] SoundFile001=Cannon SoundFile002=TankGun SoundFile003=Missile SoundFile004=JetEngine SoundFile005=JetBurner SoundFile006=TankEngine SoundFile007=TankTrack SoundFile008=DirtHit SoundFile009=SmallExplosion SoundFile010=ObjectHit SoundFile011=Rocket SoundFile012=IRgrowl SoundFile013=IRgrowlLock SoundFile014=Vulcan SoundFile015=50cal SoundFile016=PropLoop SoundFile017=TruckLoop SoundFile018=Napalm SoundFile019=Gear SoundFile020=Airbrakes SoundFile021=Flaps SoundFile022=WindLoop SoundFile023=Breathing SoundFile024=AAA SoundFile025=BigExplosion SoundFile026=TireTouch SoundFile027=StallSound SoundFile028=AmbientSound SoundFile029=30cal SoundFile030=Vickers SoundFile031=Spandau SoundFile032=Parabellum SoundFile033=Lewis SoundFile034=gun_jam SoundFile035=gun_reload SoundFile036=gun_out SoundFile037=gun_unjam SoundFile038=gun_unjam_fail SoundFile039=RotaryEngine SoundFile040=Hotchkiss SoundFile041=lerhone I don't think that was mentioned in your installation instructions. Anyway, congratulations P10ppy! What an outstanding addition to FE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gambit168 27 Posted May 18, 2007 (edited) Wow, Now I know Y it took a while 2 finish!!!! :yes::) i lov the turn buckles i dont weather my skins, but i always weathered my 1/48 models i always think they didnt stay in the air long enough (new types or shot down) to be very weathered , but i really like how these are And the hanger screen is a bit special 2 really nice job & really nice to have this crate in the inventory Cheers M8 real nice effort Edited May 18, 2007 by gambit168 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Littlejack 0 Posted May 18, 2007 Could anybody point me in the general direction of the soundfile.ini and sound list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Littlejack 0 Posted May 18, 2007 You can find a copy of the soundfile.ini in the Airco DH2 package. (here) Thanks mate but the link didn't work, was it pointing to aladar's DH2 in the 'Downloads' section? As for the model itself it's fantastic, cant wait to get shot down in this crate. The work of all the individuals who devote their time to the improvement of this sim is very much appreciated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Littlejack 0 Posted May 18, 2007 Thanks mate but the link didn't work, was it pointing to aladar's DH2 in the 'Downloads' section? As for the model itself it's fantastic, cant wait to get shot down in this crate. The work of all the individuals who devote their time to the improvement of this sim is very much appreciated. Five seconds into mission one the right wing is blown off by a bit of Archie , got the sound to work though - and the DH2, thanks Alligator Devil Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Tailspin 3 Posted May 18, 2007 Could anybody point me in the general direction of the soundfile.ini and sound list. In lieu of finding a SOUNDLIST.INI in another mod, the SOUNDLIST.INI can be found in the FlightData.CAT file in the Flight folder of the game. You have to use the SFP1E file extractor to get it from the .CAT file. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bandy 3 Posted May 18, 2007 Good things come to those that wait. Really glad to see this in the downloads, it looks awesome!!! Thank you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deep 5 Posted May 18, 2007 WOW! A contender for the best ever aircraft package. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FalconC45 162 Posted May 19, 2007 I can't see the red cone either. Hard to fly in padlock so I need that cone. Falcon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+p10ppy 2 Posted May 19, 2007 (edited) Thank you everybody I'm glad you are enjoying it Thanks Tailspin for the soundlist.ini stuff (I knew I'd forget something, should have included my file) The little targeting arrows has got me stumped (I fly mostly padlocked so I never missed them) I've just been testing and I can't find anything in particular that's aircraft specific that should affect the arrows…. (But something clearly is) Anyone else know? @ gambit168 I really like yours and v. Deutschmark skins a lot And I know what you mean about weathering, they really only lasted a few months But its fun to do And strangely enough almost every MoS-N profile depicts them as really battered probably something to-do with their landing characteristics Or Morane had really bad Dope What do people thing of the FM? Too easy? Link to My soundlist.ini(copy it into your ThirdwireWWIFlight folder) Edited May 19, 2007 by p10ppy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gumpy 7 Posted May 19, 2007 (edited) Great! plane WOW!! But followed directions to the letter.Still no sound on the Hotchkiss gun.What?Where,andHow much? Edited May 19, 2007 by gumpy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gumpy 7 Posted May 19, 2007 Great! plane WOW!! But followed directions to the letter.Still no sound on the Hotchkiss gun.What?Where,andHow much? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+LloydNB 212 Posted May 19, 2007 (edited) gumpy At the beginning of the soundlist.ini file is a list of the sounds under the following title [soundList]. Put the following entries at the end of the list and continue the sequence of numbers. SoundFileXXX=hotchkiss SoundFileXXX=lerhone LloydNB Edited May 19, 2007 by LloydNB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Tailspin 3 Posted May 19, 2007 Thank you everybody I'm glad you are enjoying it Thanks Tailspin for the soundlist.ini stuff (I knew I'd forget something, should have included my file) The little targeting arrows has got me stumped (I fly mostly padlocked so I never missed them) I've just been testing and I can't find anything in particular that's aircraft specific that should affect the arrows…. (But something clearly is) Anyone else know? @ gambit168 I really like yours and v. Deutschmark skins a lot And I know what you mean about weathering, they really only lasted a few months But its fun to do And strangely enough almost every MoS-N profile depicts them as really battered probably something to-do with their landing characteristics Or Morane had really bad Dope What do people thing of the FM? Too easy? Link to My soundlist.ini(copy it into your ThirdwireWWIFlight folder) The loss of the targeting arrows is really strange. I wonder if it has something to do with the waypoint finder feature as the white waypoint arrows seem to be missing too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+peter01 2 Posted May 19, 2007 (edited) What a wonderful plane - no wonder longer it took so long!!! Great stuff, as a whole package, maybe best yet, including TKs.... Edited May 19, 2007 by peter01 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sandbagger 1 Posted May 19, 2007 For those who've not edited files before in FE: The soundlist.ini file is located in the Flight folder - FlightData.cat file. To edit the soundlist.ini file (LloydNB post above), you'll need to extract the file from the FlightData.cat file using the sfp1e.exe (available in the CombatAce downloads). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites