+Jug 99 Posted March 8, 2009 Both!Was a big faster heavy interceptor with Ethilborane propelled jets for escorting Valkyries and I think in normal ADC duties An American Fiddler! Who says copying didn't go both ways across the Pole in the Cold War. Given the power plants available at the time, I would guess she'd be somewhat like the Mirage III, all day to get to maneuvering energy level, one good maneuver and she's done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+GrinchWSLG 24 Posted March 8, 2009 Another hunch (hey, I'm no aeronautic engineer), since you removed the dog-tooth from the wing, the variable incidence is gone, the intakes are moved and you apparently diminished the anhedral of the wing, I'd suggest that the stabs now have no good reason left to be dihedral, in fact, in addition with the large and tailfin I'd be willing to bet the present configuration is more subject to yaw-roll coupling than the original design. I'd also add ventral fin(s) to help yaw stability (most planes of such a configuration had fins or quickly adopted them). If you're going for a dirt cheap plane, you could also remove the avionics hump inherited from the bullpup-capable Crusader. It couldn't be used to store enough fuel to be interesting, and the lack of need for advanced avionics in such a cheap plane would not justify the presence of spare space. Oh dear, next I'll suggest a smaller tailfin, a moving intake cone and an angled landing gear to improve the ability to use centerline plyons, and we'll end up with a Mirage F1, except you could have your plane up in the air in the early 60's, whereas the Mirage entered service in the early 70's. The design for the most part however, is now not going to change. I'm lazy. Deal with it. It will get ventral stabilizers, been focusing on the landing gear lately, but I'm getting concerned about ground clearance on rotation so they may be pretty small. Wings are still anhedral, should be relatively the same as the F-8 since it followed the 3 view. Maybe just doesn't show up in the render cuz of the camera angle. Hump stays cuz I like it. Big vertical stabilizer stays cuz I think it makes it look American, and its not like engineers didn't make design mistakes in the 60's (and possibly fix on a later model...). Problem with the landing gear is that the aircraft is very narrow. The F-1 widens a great deal after the intakes, whereas the F-112 returns to the same width as the nose. The landing gear is very much like the F-104. Moving intake cone ain't gonna happen at this point, too far along, too big of a headache. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zmatt 2 Posted March 9, 2009 (edited) It reminds me of the F-11F with a rounder body and shoulder mounted wing. Edited March 9, 2009 by zmatt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkjak 0 Posted March 13, 2009 Looks like a photoshoped cross between an F14, an F4 and a Mirage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Gunrunner 314 Posted March 13, 2009 (edited) Nope, that's probably Vought submission to the VFX (in collaboration with Dassault for the swing wing technology, hence the ressemblance to the Mirage G). However I was not aware it went as far as the full-scale mockup stage (or further ?). I think this picture (or a link to a site featuring it) already came up on the boards (on the topic of the F-14, Mirage G and/or F-111B, but I couldn't find it with the search engine). Edited March 13, 2009 by Gunrunner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fallenphoenix1986 603 Posted March 13, 2009 Like Gunrunner said its the Vought submission for the VFX cmopetition, the model V-507 :) Craig Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FastCargo 412 Posted March 13, 2009 Can't get anything past you guys! Yep, that was Vought's (actually LTV) submission for what later became the F-14 (V-507). They progressed all the way to a full mockup stage. Photoshopped? Pffft...please. FC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Gunrunner 314 Posted March 13, 2009 You know what ? We should turn that into a regular game... Once upon a time in a French aviation magazine, a dozen pictures were published every month, only parts of airplanes (a nose, an air intake, a landing gear) and we had until next issue to send our guesses on which aircrafts these were from, that was quite entertaining. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+GrinchWSLG 24 Posted March 14, 2009 Sonnuva... I was thinking of making a B model two seater too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rambler 1-1 9 Posted March 14, 2009 that's not a bad looking plane! I knew there was something familliar about it, then once the big image opened I realised that the canopy, landing gear and most of the fuselage are dead ringers for F-14 stuff, and I find the F-14 as one of the nicest looking planes ever. Natch. Those inakes sure look out of place, and that tail is interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Julhelm 266 Posted March 14, 2009 I happen to have full set of drawings for the V-507 :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stratos 3,191 Posted April 25, 2009 Bump! Any new about this beauty? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lexx_Luthor 57 Posted April 28, 2009 Do Camel Cigarettes. About 15 years back, I was in 7-11 or Lil Champ store. Inside the front door they had CAMEL display advertisement, you know the Cool Camel smoking with sunglasses. The display had the sharpest airplane design I ever seen. How so? The plane was Su-15, double delta wing...but... It had Mirage style conical inlets like yours...and... It was shown taking off, with the twin engine "swoosh" leading back to AIRCRAFT CARRIER on the water way below the plane. Totally fictional plane, but super sharp. Call it the Camel hehe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Jarhead1 27 Posted July 3, 2009 This thing looks alot like the Tornado, just an American version. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+SidDogg 130 Posted July 4, 2009 The design for the most part however, is now not going to change. I'm lazy. Deal with it. ...bro. at least add some ventral fins! [f**kin sexxxy. ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+GrinchWSLG 24 Posted July 4, 2009 God this. Yeah it'll have ventrals. I even got a lecture on ventrals from my aero engineer friend. Whether I wanted it or not... This is buried though, along with everything else. I'm moving to Oklahoma Sunday for 6 weeks of training then I'm moving to Washington state. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557 Posted September 9, 2009 bump again... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+GrinchWSLG 24 Posted September 12, 2009 I'm glad you guys are eagerly awaiting this, but its gonna still be a bit longer. I know I've been saying "real life commitments" for like 2 or 3 months now, but I really am going through some hectic times. Still getting settled in here in Spokane, just finished my first week at work as an air traffic controller (and I absolutely love it, even though I've just barely started training). In a few weeks or a month I should be able to afford more time to put toward leisure time and be under a lot less financial stress to the point where I'll get around to looking at my projects again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stratos 3,191 Posted September 12, 2009 No problem mate, we can wait, just wanted a small update Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Spectre_USA 7 Posted September 12, 2009 I will feel much safer flying out of KGEG with the Grinch-meister in the tower. Welcome to the Inland Northwest! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
