Olham Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 (edited) Just did a little research (I still know very little about WW1) about Esc3 "Les cigognes" (The Storks) and Guynemer. I wanted to find out, were they were stationed, when, cause I'd like to meet him in BHaH (simple minded as I am sometimes, I didn't think of just checking enlistment in Esc3 in BHaH). Anyway, I found this site about the "Storks", with data and good photographs (three of them below). Just click on the pictures to enlarge. Enjoy! http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille003.htm Edit/PS: at the bottom of the page are buttons for previous page and next page. There are also other Escadrilles! Edited May 7, 2009 by Olham Quote
Snoopy syndrome Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Great finding Olham. Most Guynemer photographs show him with a Spad or a Nupe, and good picture of him with the Morane monoplane is quite rare. Perhaps it was not his plane for long. One of the plane i'd like to see in an OFF3 future add-on. :yes: Quote
UK_Widowmaker Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 If only colour film was the norm in those days!...lol Great pics there! Trying to find profile pics for skinning can be quite hard...that site you linked me to Olham is a godsend!...wish there were more like that! Quote
Olham Posted May 7, 2009 Author Posted May 7, 2009 Thank you, Widowmaker. Do you still know that adress of the site with those post-war American SPAD XIII designs? I've lost that. Quote
Hasse Wind Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Great pics! Escadrille 3 is one of favourite squadrons of WW1, some really great pilots served in its ranks. And the French made some excellent aircraft (they had the largest aviation industry in the world when the war started, but later the Brits overtook them with their superior industrial resources) - Nieuports, Spads, Salmsons, Breguets were all well-designed and very successful planes. Speaking of colour film, I think most of the colour pictures taken during the war were French. They were the pioneers of photography, both black/white and colour. Quote
UK_Widowmaker Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Thank you, Widowmaker. Do you still know that adress of the site with those post-war American SPAD XIII designs? I've lost that. Cant find them..Ask Ricitycrate? Quote
Olham Posted May 7, 2009 Author Posted May 7, 2009 Certainly a top Escadrille; and today, the "Storks" are the elite Mirage Escadrille, I think. At least was it that way in my "Mick Tangy" comics, which were drawn by the great Asterix creator Uderzo (sic! Comics are another field, were the French are really great! Spirou and Fantasio, with the Marsupilami...I'm gettin' carried away - were was I ?) Quote
Snoopy syndrome Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 (edited) Certainly a top Escadrille; and today, the "Storks" are the elite Mirage Escadrille, I think.At least was it that way in my "Mick Tangy" comics, which were drawn by the great Asterix creator Uderzo (sic! Comics are another field, were the French are really great! Spirou and Fantasio, with the Marsupilami...I'm gettin' carried away - were was I ?) Just let me help you...you were just talking about french supremacy in many fields. In spite of modesty is one of them, i'm obliged to agree with you. Most seriously, i've heard that Lilienthal was german, Wright bros were american, Antony Fokker was dutch, Sikorsky was russian, and british famous plane designers were innumerable...trying to answer which nation give the most to aviation is a waste of time. WW1 aviation is really interesting for this: all nations at war gave te best they got to improve and create numerous new aircrafts. This upgrade aviation to high level within only 4 years . What a way between the Taube or Bleriot of the early days and the Fokker DVII or Spad XIII at the end of the conflict! Edited May 7, 2009 by Snoopy syndrome Quote
Olham Posted May 7, 2009 Author Posted May 7, 2009 Yep. And in WW2 it was similar. I always say, it was a competition of research and technology a lot; a rivalry of the industries. Maybe men can become most creative as opponents or competitors. (Strange only: why did the British never compete against the French on the field of cooking? Lol!!! Uuuhh!!! Now I can see them sharpening the blades against me and my cheeky bigmouth!) Quote
Villicus Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Thanks for the link. I'm reading his biography right now. He was a very remarkable man. Quote
Olham Posted May 7, 2009 Author Posted May 7, 2009 Yes. If you haven't seen it already: watch the movie "Angel's Wing" - I think, it's based on the pilot Guynemer. Although physically rather "fragile" (lung problems) and suffering from vertigo, he wanted to fight the intruders. As he couldn't become a soldier, he became a pilot. And what a fighter he was. You may have read Udet's report about a fight against him, in which he didn't kill Udet, who had a gun jam and was helpless. Great man! Quote
Villicus Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Yes. If you haven't seen it already: watch the movie "Angel's Wing" - I think, it's basedon the pilot Guynemer. Although physically rather "fragile" (lung problems) and suffering from vertigo, he wanted to fight the intruders. As he couldn't become a soldier, he became a pilot. And what a fighter he was. You may have read Udet's report about a fight against him, in which he didn't kill Udet, who had a gun jam and was helpless. Great man! Yes I did read that and Udet wasn't the only one he extended that courtesy to. He was just a kid really, but he had the heart of a lion. I am amazed at how many times he came back from missions with his plane shredded by bullets and even his clothes full of bullet holes. One time a bullet from a back seater came through his engine and lodged in his glove at the end of his index finger. He thought at the time that he lost two fingers, but he kept flying and laughed his head off when he found out just the tip of his fingernail turned black from the impact. Quote
Olham Posted May 7, 2009 Author Posted May 7, 2009 I have only just now discovered, that at the very bottom of the page of the above site, there are the buttons for "previous page" and "next page" - so there's plenty more about other Escadrilles as well. But - maybe I was the only one who didn't realise? Quote
SirMike1983 Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 Excellent website! My French is a bit rusty, but still readable for sure. Quote
Jammer28 Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 (Strange only: why did the British never compete against the French on the field of cooking? Lol!!!Uuuhh!!! Now I can see them sharpening the blades against me and my cheeky bigmouth!) I have heard that in hell: The English are the cooks The French are the politicians The Germans are the police Anyone know where we yanks fit in? Jammer Quote
catch Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 I have heard that in hell:The English are the cooks The French are the politicians The Germans are the police Anyone know where we yanks fit in? Jammer Ah ha .... a trick question Jammer. Nowhere. Because yanks only go to heaven ? Quote
Rooster89 Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 Ah ha .... a trick question Jammer. Nowhere. Because yanks only go to heaven ? Well, I must've been holding the map upside down. -Rooster Quote
RAF_Louvert Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 This is a great site Olham, I have used it myself recently numerous times when doing research. Thanks for posting the link here for eveyone. Rooster...LOL! Cheers! Lou Quote
Creaghorn Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 I have heard that in hell:The English are the cooks The French are the politicians The Germans are the police Anyone know where we yanks fit in? Jammer hahaha, good one i have heard, the two thinnest books in the world: italian heroic saga british cooking book don't know about yanks. but i remember one old coach of mine, once told to a new american pitcher, who was impressed by the german castles and fortresses: "goddamn, rob, we got sausages and pretzels here, with more history as your country..." Quote
+Polovski Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 Things are changing a lot in UK regarding food now, now we have many top British chefs and fabulous restaurants, also many other influences from other countries - just have to have deep pockets and expandable elastic on your belt ;) Quote
rabu Posted May 9, 2009 Posted May 9, 2009 Just did a little research (I still know very little about WW1) about Esc3 "Les cigognes" (The Storks)and Guynemer. I wanted to find out, were they were stationed, when, cause I'd like to meet him in BHaH (simple minded as I am sometimes, I didn't think of just checking enlistment in Esc3 in BHaH). Anyway, I found this site about the "Storks", with data and good photographs (three of them below). Just click on the pictures to enlarge. Enjoy! http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille003.htm Edit/PS: at the bottom of the page are buttons for previous page and next page. There are also other Escadrilles! Thanks, Olham, this is a fantastic website! Quote
Olham Posted May 9, 2009 Author Posted May 9, 2009 I know, Pol. And I was once invited by a lady (on my motorbike trip back in 1973; somewhere in the Plymouth region) to share a real English roast (I think it was called roast only - or "roastbeef" ?), and that was delicious. But a good banter needs stereotype prejudices, doesn't it? And so, as long as we are the Huns, you will have to be the "bad cooks" (Lol!) Quote
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