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Where Eagle fly, Cranes cry.

If ED fixes the AMRAAM to the point where it has performance as IRL the Crane fanbois will be bitching and moaning again all over ED's forums. Just do all the modules "right" and the rest of us normal folks out here will be thrilled.

 

Good to cya here, GG.

Edited by Ruggbutt
had to say hi to GG
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I don't know that missile work is part of any particular module's work or if it's just "DCS World". Obviously AA-only platforms need all those missiles working properly, while all the existing non-beta releases only have a few IR missiles able to be used by the player and it's not been a major concern. I would suppose it would be considered part of FC3's development, but there will likely be many missiles like the French ones that won't be heavily worked on but will need proper modeling for the 3rd parties doing those planes.

 

I'm thinking ED is in charge of the missiles, but I suppose if they're specific to a particular plane maybe the 3rd party will have to do it?

Posted

I just got erected.

 

F/A-18C

SU-27SM :crazy:

F-15C

FW-190

MIG-21

F-86F (indeed i hope a MiG-15 will follow put)

AH-1G (hey, where's my Apache?)

Mi-24

Posted

Hi and thanks.

 

Regarding the AMRAAM - the missile itself operates like the R-77, which operates like all other missiles ... type of seeker is different, sensitivity to CMs is different, but generally speaking those missiles will more or less ensure parity regardless of how they are simulated, in other words, right now all missiles use PN straight up, maybe in the future they will use different strategies to intercept a target.

 

The thing is, if EW superiority is not modeled then yes, you'll pretty much have parity. While all of that is desired in terms of modeling, there aren't enough resources to get everything done right now. As you know, for the moment it's just the WAFM, and that's being adjusted still.

 

If ED fixes the AMRAAM to the point where it has performance as IRL the Crane fanbois will be bitching and moaning again all over ED's forums. Just do all the modules "right" and the rest of us normal folks out here will be thrilled.

 

Good to cya here, GG.

Posted

Does that mean that in absence of EW/CM/evasion, all missiles have a 100% PK chance?

 

I always heard (perhaps anecdotal, perhaps verified, I can't recall) that the R-77 wasn't as reliable as AMRAAM and more likely to fail at some point in the process, from launch to guide to impact. So the R-77 was potentially as good, but in reality was not always able to live up to that.

Posted (edited)

EW = Electronic Warfare ?

PK = Probability Kill ?

WAFM = ?

PN = ?

IRL = In Real Life ?

RL = Real Life ?

Crane = Flanker ?

Edited by squid
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EW = Electronic Warfare ? Yes

PK = Probability Kill ? Yes

WAFM = ? Weapons Advanced Flight Model

PN = ? Proportional Navigation

IRL = In Real Life ? Yes

RL = Real Life ? Yes

Crane = Flanker ? Yes

 

There ya go! Don't be afraid to ask here, especially since GG has shown up. He's quite knowledgeable about these kinds of things.

Posted (edited)

Thanks ! :)

 

I hope we will be seeing GG here often as well :D

 

 

I need to share, i developed some symptom few days back now , i think i am living for the day Su-27SM will be out ...... :heart:

Edited by squid
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There are no failure modes simulated for these missiles - in other words, yes, if you do not attempt to defeat the missile and it is launched in valid parameters (and in the absence of lag spikes, etc, etc etc), your Pk is 1.

 

The R-77 is comparable to AIM-120A, and it is a fairly good and scary missile. If it is not reprogrammable, like the 120A, then ECCM capability may be limited and a modern fighter's ECM could reliably mess with its radar. We don't want to simulate this driving the Pk to zero, and it's hard to simulate ECM/ECCM inequality as well.

 

Imagine ECM breaking locks too, the deluge of bug reports there! :)

 

That's a deeper and longer discussion though.

 

Does that mean that in absence of EW/CM/evasion, all missiles have a 100% PK chance?

 

I always heard (perhaps anecdotal, perhaps verified, I can't recall) that the R-77 wasn't as reliable as AMRAAM and more likely to fail at some point in the process, from launch to guide to impact. So the R-77 was potentially as good, but in reality was not always able to live up to that.

 

EW = Electronic Warfare ? Yes

PK = Probability Kill ? Yes

WAFM = ? Weapon Advanced Flight Model

PN = ? Proportional Navigation

IRL = In Real Life ? Yes

RL = Real Life ? Yes

Crane = Flanker ? Yes

Posted

I am impressed to see the Sabre and not MiG15 on this stage of prospect modules list. My next wet dream i guess would be a Korea map and -15 ...

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