What will be next ?

**UllyB** · February 8, 2023

3 hours ago, Svetlin said:

I believe bazillius means that if we are to choose between trainers and prototype aircraft and X planes, then trainers should win the vote and I agree with him on that point. I also agree that in the end the winner should not be some obscure model with limited use, but one that will be interesting and usefull to most members here. Also I would vote for a model, that can be made accurate with minimum compromise within the available resources. Let's take the Su-34 as an example. I would love to have it in game, but first we have the cockpit issue - a Su-34 with F-111 or B-1B cockpit - no, thanks, I'd rather have something else. Then we also have the various pylon and rail taypes used on the Su-34 for A2A, A2G missiles, bombs, drop tanks, etc. I doubt many modders would be interested and would spend the time needed to moddle all correct pylons and rails for the Su-34 and having bombs loaded on missile rails or missiles on bomb pylons is a no-go for me. In other words, I would perefer something less complicated, but accurately moddled, than something very complicated, but inaccurate or highly compromised.

How do we establish which proposed model is...obscure , taking into account that it was proposed by YOU (not by me), members of CombaAce community ? :D Who decides what is obscure or not, also ? :D

If you are suggesting , correct me if I'm wrong, that you don't want a new plane if there is not a suitable cockpit (in YOUR opinion) for it already, then I think we have a subjective opinion here. BUT...if in the end the community will decide , with a large majority , that this is what it wants, a training plane or a remade one, then I will comply. Actually I was wanting to propose exactly that, in the end, Sunday, to VOTE (you, all who made all the propositions) and let the majority decide, this way I will fulfill my duty , to bring you a plane YOU all wanted and not to be a subjective choice of MINE.

The SU-34 plane is an exception because is a project that was almost finished and it's easy to bring it, plus it will be as...A SECOND PLANE., a bonus one for you all, IF I can resurrect it! It won't interfere with the voted one as I explained above.

Edited February 8, 2023 by UllyB

**UllyB** · February 8, 2023

50 minutes ago, yakarov79 said:

And honestly, If I do not have a cockpit for mod I do not install the mod -(with few exceptions for some heavies..and if it is for the red side) but this is my approach.

Then, maybe modders as yourself, should concentrate more in doing cockpits or at least a part of them (the modders), right ?

**UllyB** · February 8, 2023

48 minutes ago, ludo.m54 said:

Sorry to be late

My suggestion, the Mirage 2000D and N deserve a brand new 3D model.

Welcome to the party Ludo ! Suggestions noted! Keep an eye on the thread, Sunday is the final vote for it.

**UllyB** · February 8, 2023

Current updated list:

- Grumman S-2 Tracker

- Grumman E-1 Tracer

- Canadair CL-215

- MIG-19S Farmer-C

- North American AJ Savage

- North American X-15

- F-94 Starfire

- Convair F2Y Sea Dart

- SNCASE Baroudeur

- KAI KF-21 Boramae

- Training Jaguar

- Training SU-15

- F-35 Lightning II

- Mirage G8

- YF-17

- De Havilland Canada DHC-4 Caribou

- SU-34* (BONUS)

- Hawker Hunter T7

- Hawker Hunter T8 (interesting plane!)

- F9F-8T Cougar

- Training Eurofighter Typhoon

- Casa C-101 Aviojet (Interestiiiiiing)

- F-16 XL

- Mirage 2000D

- Mirage 2000N

- AMX A-1M (I like this one)

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QUESTION: For how many of these, so far, do exist dedicated cockpits ? Awkward question, isn't it ?

Edited February 8, 2023 by UllyB

+**strahi** · February 8, 2023

**UllyB** · February 8, 2023

A Taiwanese F-16 ? What about it ?

+**strahi** · February 8, 2023

Just now, UllyB said:

A Taiwanese F-16 ? What about it ?

I think it's a good suggestion, we need it for the Taiwan mod.

**UllyB** · February 8, 2023

Oh, my apology, I thought it was a F-16, but I realized after that is a AIDC F-CK-1 , I noticed its air admission shape. I will add it to the list. Thanks for letting me know.

Edited February 8, 2023 by UllyB

**UllyB** · February 8, 2023

Current updated list:

- Grumman S-2 Tracker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_S-2_Tracker)

- Grumman E-1 Tracer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_E-1_Tracer)

- Canadair CL-215 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadair_CL-215)

- MIG-19S Farmer-C (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-19)

- North American AJ Savage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_AJ_Savage)

- North American X-15 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_X-15)

- Lockheed F-94 Starfire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-94_Starfire)

- Convair F2Y Sea Dart (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_F2Y_Sea_Dart)

- SNCASE Baroudeur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCASE_Baroudeur)

- KAI KF-21 Boramae (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_KF-21_Boramae)

- SEPECAT Training Jaguar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEPECAT_Jaguar)

- Training SU-15 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-15)

- Lockheed-Martin F-35 Lightning II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II)

- Mirage G8 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_G)

- Northrop YF-17 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-17)

- De Havilland Canada DHC-4 Caribou (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Canada_DHC-4_Caribou)

- SU-34* (BONUS) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34)

- Hawker Hunter T7 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hunter)

- Hawker Hunter T8 (interesting plane!) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hunter)

- F9F-8T Cougar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F9F_Panther)

- Training Eurofighter Typhoon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon)

- Casa C-101 Aviojet (Interestiiiiiing) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASA_C-101_Aviojet)

- F-16 XL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16XL)

- Mirage 2000D (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_2000N/2000D)

- Mirage 2000N (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_2000N/2000D)

- AMX A-1M (I like this one) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX_International_AMX)

- AIDC F-CK-1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDC_F-CK-1_Ching-kuo)

Edited February 8, 2023 by UllyB

+**Menrva** · February 8, 2023

On 7/2/2023 at 3:18 AM, bazillius said:

That aircraft which named here X-32 is not X-32. F-35 here is ideal model, if you call that model which present on the site X-32. the model is not accurate as a real aircraft , it does not even look like this plane. And it was probably made when the real X-32 was not even in the form of a mockup

Hmm, I am genuinely wondering what is wrong about it to be honest. We were shown two 3d models, one featuring the delta-wing of the X-32 prototype, the other featuring the revised wings Boeing had designed after further JSF program requirements. If you have more info and references, I think it'd be more constructive to share those instead of spitting on new additions for a dwindling game and community. I know angelp did his best to reproduce the different X-32s with the few references he had. The only what-if I see in those is the skin, and weapon loadouts of course.

On 7/2/2023 at 5:06 PM, bazillius said:

I have kinda Mohawk (i was in time to download from the link abowe), C-2, F-94 Su-34 when they was possible to download. Now they are not available and will not. Something i did for myself something got from Capun. I play this game by years as others do. They are old and need to rebuild anyway. But if you shake other and torture the old-timers, you will see they have the same airplanes. Just look at the screenshots here. Not all planes are on the site, which you will see on the screenshot.

See? Somebody has SF-2 Tracker

Also, I do not get this point. UllyB is willing to bring something to the table for everyone. I think it is no good for the community that some aircraft are not recreated just because few privileged or lucky end-users still have such models that cannot be distributed. What is the point of that? To share is to care IMHO. Even if some old-timers have exclusive access, it'd be nicer if the roster of CombatACE aircraft could be expanded to include those which IMHO cannot be defined as existing for the community as a whole. There are aircraft I'd like to feature in the ODS opera omnia mod we're slowly improving for completeness sake, but obviously I cannot feature capun's Mohawk and other such aircraft as they are not for everyone as per capun's wishes. Just my two cents.

As for cockpits, I'm not against having aircraft without one, we have tons of those and usually I keep them for AI use in proper scenarios where they are needed. Having an aircraft 3d model done is already a good step, the community can always produce a proper cockpit at a later stage (though chances for this are very slim at this time). And giving how nicely detailed cockpits are more complex to recreate, I'd rather focus on aircraft overall.

Edited February 8, 2023 by Menrva

**Wilches** · February 8, 2023

For the grace of Lord the SF-2 Tracker already has its own cockpit! :angel:

**bazillius** · February 8, 2023

49 minutes ago, Menrva said:

Also, I do not get this point. UllyB is willing to bring something to the table for everyone. I think it is no good for the community that some aircraft are not recreated just because few privileged or lucky end-users still have such models that cannot be distributed.

you wrote as if I set the rules for how and what to share, and personally I ban some planes. I speak my mind just like everyone else. It's not my fault that I have some planes. As for the X-32, just look at the photo and look at the model in the game. And again, I emphasized several times that I do not insist on this plane and do not ask for it. I praised the author of the aircraft, if you noticed. I am grateful to any aircraft, and if you notice, I set "like" almost any work, even if I delete it later. Make the planes you want. I was asked my opinion and i just said my toughts

+**daddyairplanes** · February 8, 2023

heres one i just thought of

any chance of a U-2R or S making the cut? if so, TR-1 would be a ini edit away, given they were renamed Rs for USAFE use (all renamed R after 91, then renamed S after upgrades mid 90s)

Edited February 8, 2023 by daddyairplanes

**UllyB** · February 8, 2023

27 minutes ago, daddyairplanes said:

heres one i just thought of

any chance of a U-2R or S making the cut? if so, TR-1 would be a ini edit away, given they were renamed Rs for USAFE use (all renamed R after 91, then renamed S after upgrades mid 90s)

U-2 ? I have an U-2 in my garage downloaded long time ago from here. Is this, too made by Capun crew ? Wasn't made by Pasko ? Or U-2R is that different ? It says it has two pods under wings, 30% larger airframe and more fuel, in rest it looks like U-2. Though U-2S looks different with that giant "hump". Ok, I'll add it, but just because I know you ;) LOL

Edited February 8, 2023 by UllyB

**Svetlin** · February 8, 2023

One more suggestion, if I may - KAI T-50 (TA-50) (F/A-50)

**UllyB** · February 8, 2023

Current updated list:

- Grumman S-2 Tracker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_S-2_Tracker)

- Grumman E-1 Tracer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_E-1_Tracer)

- Canadair CL-215 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadair_CL-215)

- MIG-19S Farmer-C (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-19)

- North American AJ Savage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_AJ_Savage)

- North American X-15 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_X-15)

- Lockheed F-94 Starfire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-94_Starfire)

- Convair F2Y Sea Dart (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_F2Y_Sea_Dart)

- SNCASE Baroudeur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCASE_Baroudeur)

- KAI KF-21 Boramae (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_KF-21_Boramae)

- SEPECAT Training Jaguar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEPECAT_Jaguar)

- Training SU-15 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-15)

- Lockheed-Martin F-35 Lightning II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II)

- Mirage G8 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_G)

- Northrop YF-17 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-17)

- De Havilland Canada DHC-4 Caribou (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Canada_DHC-4_Caribou)

- SU-34* (BONUS) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34)

- Hawker Hunter T7 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hunter)

- Hawker Hunter T8 (interesting plane!) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hunter)

- F9F-8T Cougar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F9F_Panther)

- Training Eurofighter Typhoon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon)

- Casa C-101 Aviojet (Interestiiiiiing) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASA_C-101_Aviojet)

- F-16 XL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16XL)

- Mirage 2000D (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_2000N/2000D)

- Mirage 2000N (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_2000N/2000D)

- AMX A-1M (I like this one) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX_International_AMX)

- AIDC F-CK-1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDC_F-CK-1_Ching-kuo)

- Lockheed U-2S (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_U-2)

- KAI T-50 Golden Eagle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_T-50_Golden_Eagle)

**UllyB** · February 8, 2023

9 minutes ago, Svetlin said:

One more suggestion, if I may - KAI T-50 (TA-50) (F/A-50)

you may not ! LOOOL I added the plane, but this is your last warning :p

+**daddyairplanes** · February 8, 2023

15 minutes ago, UllyB said:

U-2 ? I have an U-2 in my garage downloaded long time ago from here. Is this, too made by Capun crew ? Wasn't made by Pasko ? Or U-2R is that different ? It says it has two pods under wings, 30% larger airframe and more fuel, in rest it looks like U-2. Though U-2S looks different with that giant "hump".

dont recall a DAT Dragon Lady. the one here is the much earlier smaller one

i have one as well, from a friend of a friend type deal and not for public release. but part of how i came across it was to tweak their skins and do serials as well as tail arts.

as for the aircraft, that one could be interesting. the superpods on the wings, the hump on top and even the noses are interchangable. if one were to set it up as recce pod weapons, and the locations as weapon stations you could tailor the aircraft just as in real life

**UllyB** · February 8, 2023

1 minute ago, daddyairplanes said:

dont recall a DAT Dragon Lady. the one here is the much earlier smaller one

i have one as well, from a friend of a friend type deal and not for public release. but part of how i came across it was to tweak their skins and do serials as well as tail arts.

as for the aircraft, that one could be interesting. the superpods on the wings, the hump on top and even the noses are interchangable. if one were to set it up as recce pod weapons, and the locations as weapon stations you could tailor the aircraft just as in real life

I added as contestant the U-2S. I hope that would be to your liking Sir !

+**daddyairplanes** · February 8, 2023

lemme know if and when it gets to the skinning part. no sense in totally reinventing the wheel on the markings....

+**Menrva** · February 8, 2023

51 minutes ago, bazillius said:

you wrote as if I set the rules for how and what to share, and personally I ban some planes. I speak my mind just like everyone else. It's not my fault that I have some planes. As for the X-32, just look at the photo and look at the model in the game. And again, I emphasized several times that I do not insist on this plane and do not ask for it. I praised the author of the aircraft, if you noticed. I am grateful to any aircraft, and if you notice, I set "like" almost any work, even if I delete it later. Make the planes you want. I was asked my opinion and i just said my toughts

Well, the way you worded the message it sounded different to me. It is language barrier I guess, it happens to misunderstand. Again, about the X-32, angelp also wants to reproduce the real one, but without many references that is the best he got at the moment. So, instead of saying look at the pictures, I think it'd be best to share those references, no? If you don't want, it's no problem, but then what was the point of the message? The only thing we got closer to an X-32 was cocas' F-32, and that one looked nothing like the real X-32. Apart from this, peace brother.

29 minutes ago, UllyB said:

U-2 ? I have an U-2 in my garage downloaded long time ago from here. Is this, too made by Capun crew ? Wasn't made by Pasko ? Or U-2R is that different ? It says it has two pods under wings, 30% larger airframe and more fuel, in rest it looks like U-2. Though U-2S looks different with that giant "hump". Ok, I'll add it, but just because I know you ;) LOL

russouk2004 was making a U-2R, then I think he had to leave modding due to RL issues. So yeah, I think the U-2R is a good suggestion to the list.

Though the list is big already, may I add the Alpha Jet E? In theory we have Florian's wonderful Alpha Jet A, the E version features a different nose compared to the A. If only we had a source file of that one, an E version would be much feasible to make.

Edited February 8, 2023 by Menrva

**UllyB** · February 8, 2023

6 minutes ago, daddyairplanes said:

lemme know if and when it gets to the skinning part. no sense in totally reinventing the wheel on the markings....

You mean skinning part when the chosen aircraft will be built or...you meant IF... U-2S will win the competition ? Which one is it ? And, by the way, why do you wanna be told about that ? LOL

PS - I just checked, U-2A and Dragon Lady (I have it, too) are made by Pasko & Column5. Aren't they on the copyright convention list ?

Edited February 8, 2023 by UllyB

+**daddyairplanes** · February 8, 2023

if the U-2 wins brother. i have a full bag of tgas for it already

cant say the same for the others

no, that isnt meant to affect the decision. just letting you know if it does win

**UllyB** · February 8, 2023

3 minutes ago, daddyairplanes said:

if the U-2 wins brother. i have a full bag of tgas for it already

cant say the same for the others

no, that isnt meant to affect the decision. just letting you know if it does win

Crystal clear!