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mppd    16

mppd
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I have no real world flying experience, but an F-4 driver that I talked to from the Michigan ANG told me that the high altitude performance (as in maneuverability) of the Phantom was just horrible above 35,000 ft. He said that at those altitudes or higher, the airplane simply won't turn in the thin air, and this is probably not even modeled correctly in the WOV series. He laughed at the thought of ACM at that altitude. Some of the real world pilots that frequent this forum could probably confirm that.

 

Mike D.

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Salamander67    0

Salamander67
Posted

My thoughts on the subject...

 

1) Generally I belive that the MiG-25 was not able to shoot down the SR-71, too fast, too high, to put it simply.

 

2) Aviation history is full of miracles, inferior planes holding their own, someone having a bad day. In a "Cold War gone hot"-situation, I belive that sooner or later some lucky guy (or unlucky Blackbird pilot, e.g. suffering some kind of a failure) probably would have damaged/downed a SR-71. Perhaps a lucky SAM, perhaps a perfect fighter intercept. Arguably though, the SA-2 seemed to be useless for the task.

 

3) About the intercepts over the Baltic I've read about them in Swedish books, the swedes having monitored it on radar. The SR-71 had to follow a quite small corridor, and the soviets could plot it for quite some time, knowing where it was going, it was possible to guide a MiG-25 in such a position (well below the Blackbird) that it could achive a radar lock for a few seconds. However, as the MiG was positioned well below and much slower, I doubt any missiles fired would have had even a remote chance of hitting their target. Put in the short reaction time (I might be wrong, but I think normal time they managed to have the target locked was betwen five and ten seconds).

 

Personally I belive that the scenario above was possible, whether it would count as an intercept is a matter of interpretation (and national pride :biggrin: ).

 

There were quite a number of different US/NATO-aircrafts flying over the Baltic sea, ranging from West German Atlantics and Tornadoes to the SR-71. The reason for using the SR-71 is that the higher you are, the further you can see, meaning that the Blackbird saw things that the lower-flying aircrafts didn't.

 

4) I have never heard about a Blackbird being intercepted in another area, if it happened, I bet there was *quite* a number of failed attempts for every succesfull one.

 

 

And, finally:

 

5) The Thud was the fastest aircraft around down-in-the-grass in its time. Of course if the MiG is in front of you that still means you will run into trouble, and in a dogfight the Ultra-hog was too big for its own good, and a MiG-(insert any number over 15) would probably have an advantage, that's why the Thuds usually had escort from the "nimble" Phantoms.

 

Bottomline:

 

Some of the arguments that different people have been throwing at each other does not contradict each other

 

  • The Blackbird may have been "intercepted", though that doesn't mean it was in mortal danger.
  • The Thud was faster, though that doesn't mean that it was immune against MiG-21's.

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Fubar512    1,350

Fubar512
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the sam-2 has a lethal radius of some 50 - 60 m iirc, so no way that a shrapnel can travel several thousands feet. so it must have been a close call.

 

Yeah, right. The key word here is "LETHAL". I can shoot a .22 caliber rifle into the air, and while the round can travel much further than 1 km, it doesn't mean that it will retain enough velocity to kill anyone after a few hundred yards.. But, as it's falling, if it were to be hit by something traveling much faster than its initial muzzle velocity... Need I draw you a diagram? :haha:

 

The SA-6 does not have the altitude performance to catch the SR-71, the SA-5 does.

 

The best MiG-21 variant is aerodynamically incapable of exceeding Mach 1.06 at low level, '21F-13s, PFs, and PFMs could not exceed Mach 1 at low level.

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MigBuster    2,875

MigBuster
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The SR-71 is a myth. Its a very beautifull plane of excellent performance, now doubt. But it was not unvulnerable. The MiG-25 was a very beautifull plane too, but it could intercept the Blackbird only at nearly perfect circumstances. The MiG-25R could fly recon missions over Israel without israeli Phantoms and Hawks had a chance to intercept them. Such missions were flown in October 1973.

The MiG-31 was designed to counter the Cruise Missiles threat rather than the SR-71. Defend against the SR-71 was the job of the SAM, especially the SA-6 Gammon.

 

Assume you mean SA-5 Gammon?

 

Iranian F-4s with Sparrows had no luck intercepting Soviet MiG-25s either - the overflights had to be halted though when the F-14A /AIM-54A weapon system showed up and locked one up at about 65,000ft.

 

If the MiG-31/25 had an equal system it could have made the difference.

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kct    5

kct
Posted (edited)

I thought they have, but used the idea on another plane instead (that huge Tupolev interceptor).

 

And what about the Amos?

Edited by kct

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+Gepard    10,681

Gepard
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A new FM for the MiG-25. Simply copy the lines and overwrite the entries in MiG-25PD_data.ini . Make sure to backup your old FM.

I have tested it with WOI. The plane has a better handling now, but sometimes it blows of on the runway while autopilot starts the bird.

 

[MissionData]
NationName=Syria
ServiceStartYear=1977
ServiceEndYear=2010
AircraftRole=FIGHTER
AircraftCapability=DAY_AND_NIGHT
Availability=RARE
Exported=FALSE
PrimaryRoles=INTERCEPT
SecondaryRoles=RECON
NormalMissionRadius=900
MaxMissionRadius=1103
Ceiling=24402
MinBaseSize=MEDIUM

[FlightControl]
StallSpeed=56.90
CruiseSpeed=249.34
ClimbSpeed=290.27
CornerSpeed=184.43
LandingSpeed=59.59
MaxG=7.00
MaxSpeedSL=371
MachLimit=2.84
PitchDamper=0.7
RollDamper=0.4
YawDamper=0.0
SideslipDamper=0.0
GunBoresightAngle=0
RocketBoresightAngle=0
FlapSettingForLanding=2
FlapSettingForTakeOff=1

[StrafeAI]
RollInRange=6000.0
RollInAlt=1500.0
PullOutRange=800.0
PullOutAlt=200.0
ReleaseRange=1300.0
SecondPassRange=4500.0
SecondPassAlt=1100.0
ReleaseInterval=1.0
AimPitchOffset=-0.3

[DetectSystem]
RadarType=AIR_INTERCEPT
RangeUnit=KM
RadarAzimuthLimit=90
RadarElevationLimit=90
RadarSearchTime=1.0
RadarSearchRange=150
RadarSearchStrength=200
RadarTrackTime=2.0
RadarTrackRange=100
RadarTrackStrength=200
DopplerLookdown=TRUE
VisualBlindArc=5,6,7
VisualRestrictedArc=4L,8L
MaxVisibleDistance=8400.0
HasRWR=TRUE

[Sound]
EngineSoundName=JetEngine
AfterburnerSoundName=JetBurner
DamagedEngineSoundName=
FlapsSoundName=Flaps
AirbrakesSoundName=Airbrakes
GearsSoundName=Gear

[AircraftData]
EmptyMass=20174.0
EmptyInertia=260995.5,31548.9,286808.2
ReferenceArea=61.40
ReferenceSpan=13.95
ReferenceChord=4.86
UseMetricUnit=TRUE
CGPosition=0.0,0.20,0.0
Component[001]=Fuselage
Component[002]=Nose
Component[003]=LeftWing
Component[004]=RightWing
Component[005]=LeftOuterWing
Component[006]=RightOuterWing
Component[007]=LeftStab
Component[008]=RightStab
Component[009]=LeftVertTail
Component[010]=RightVertTail

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ShowFromCockpit=True
HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE
CLa=0.0441
CD0=0.0128
CDL=0.0001
Cmq=-0.1396
Cmad=0.0116
Cyb=-0.0441
Cnb=-0.0468
CD0MachTableNumData=14
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CD0MachTableStartX=0.00
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CDLAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
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CollisionPoint[002]= 1.40, 5.66,-0.91
CollisionPoint[003]= 1.23,-3.74,-1.17
CollisionPoint[004]=-1.23,-3.74,-1.17
CollisionPoint[005]= 0.00,-7.54, 0.50
CollisionPoint[006]= 1.21, 5.66, 0.53
CollisionPoint[007]=-1.21, 5.66, 0.53
DamageRating=DESTROYED
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SystemName[002]=Engine2
SystemName[003]=FuselageFuelCell1
SystemName[004]=FuselageFuelCell2
SystemName[005]=FuselageFuelCell3
SystemName[006]=FuselageFuelCell4
SystemName[007]=DecoyDispenser2
SystemName[008]=Airbrake
SystemName[009]=LeftMainGear
SystemName[010]=RightMainGear
SystemName[011]=ECM
SystemName[012]=DecoyDispenser1
SystemName[013]=LeftPositionLight
SystemName[014]=RightPositionLight
SystemName[015]=TopFuselageLight
SystemName[016]=BottomFuselageLight
SystemName[017]=LeftTailLight
SystemName[018]=RightTailLight

[Nose]
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ModelNodeName=nose
ShowFromCockpit=FALSE
DamageRating=DESTROYED
MassFraction=0.297
HasAeroCoefficients=FALSE
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MaxExtentPosition= 0.69,10.03, 1.09
CollisionPoint[001]= 0.00, 9.05,-1.33
CollisionPoint[002]= 0.00,10.03,-0.79
CollisionPoint[003]= 0.00, 5.13, 1.09
SystemName[001]=Pilot
SystemName[002]=NoseGear

[LeftWing]
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ModelNodeName=LWing
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE
DamageRating=DESTROYED
MassFraction=0.059
HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE
LiftSurface=TRUE
CLa=0.5986
CD0=0.0025
CDL=0.0013
Cmq=-0.6688
Cmad=0.0048
Cyb=-0.0133
Clb=0.0014
Clp=-0.0224
Clr=-0.0001
Cnp=-0.0004
Cnr=-0.0008
CLaMachTableNumData=14
CLaMachTableDeltaX=0.20
CLaMachTableStartX=0.00
CLaMachTableData=0.994,0.995,1.000,1.008,1.020,1.055,1.134,1.098,1.100,1.103,1.075,1.009,0.948,0.893
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CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.20
CD0MachTableStartX=0.00
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CDLAlphaTableNumData=15
CDLAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
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CmqMachTableDeltaX=0.20
CmqMachTableStartX=0.00
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ClbAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
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CnrAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CnrAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
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134,0.094,0.060,0.034,0.015,0.004,0.000
XacMachTableNumData=14
XacMachTableDeltaX=0.20
XacMachTableStartX=0.00
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CheckStall=TRUE
CLmax=0.1953
AlphaStall=15.94
AlphaMax=23.90
AlphaDepart=32.69
StallMoment=-0.006
StallDrag=0.004
StallLiftTableNumData=37
StallLiftTableDeltaX=10.00
StallLiftTableStartX=-180.00
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StallDragTableNumData=37
StallDragTableDeltaX=10.00
StallDragTableStartX=-180.00
StallDragTableData=0.001,0.008,0.021,0.043,0.082,0.123,0.171,0.227,0.292,0.367,0.451,0.562,0.689,0.825,0.937,1.018,1.142,1.122,1.000,1.122,1.142,1.018,0.937,0.825,0.689,0.562,0.451,0.367,0.292,0.227,0
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Ymac=-1.77
StructuralFactor=1.5
MinExtentPosition=  -4.04,-2.24,-0.90
MaxExtentPosition=  -1.22, 2.68,-0.50
CollisionPoint[001]=-4.04, 0.57,-0.76
CollisionPoint[002]=-4.04,-2.56,-0.76
SystemName[001]=LeftFlap
SystemName[002]=LeftInnerWingStation
SystemName[003]=LeftOuterWingStation
SystemName[004]=ECMLinks
SystemName[005]=LeftAileron

[RightWing]
ParentComponentName=Fuselage
ModelNodeName=RWing
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE
DamageRating=DESTROYED
MassFraction=0.059
HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE
LiftSurface=TRUE
CLa=0.5986
CD0=0.0025
CDL=0.0013
Cmq=-0.6688
Cmad=0.0048
Cyb=-0.0133
Clb=0.0014
Clp=-0.0224
Clr=-0.0001
Cnp=-0.0004
Cnr=-0.0008
CLaMachTableNumData=14
CLaMachTableDeltaX=0.20
CLaMachTableStartX=0.00
CLaMachTableData=0.994,0.995,1.000,1.008,1.020,1.055,1.134,1.098,1.100,1.103,1.075,1.009,0.948,0.893
CD0MachTableNumData=14
CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.20
CD0MachTableStartX=0.00
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CDLAlphaTableNumData=15
CDLAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CDLAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
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CmqMachTableNumData=14
CmqMachTableDeltaX=0.20
CmqMachTableStartX=0.00
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ClbAlphaTableNumData=37
ClbAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
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CnrAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CnrAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
CnrAlphaTableData=0.000,0.004,0.015,0.034,0.060,0.094,0.134,0.181,0.234,0.293,0.357,0.426,0.500,0.577,0.658,0.741,0.826,0.913,1.000,0.913,0.826,0.741,0.658,0.577,0.500,0.426,0.357,0.293,0.234,0.181,0.
134,0.094,0.060,0.034,0.015,0.004,0.000
XacMachTableNumData=14
XacMachTableDeltaX=0.20
XacMachTableStartX=0.00
XacMachTableData=-1.219,-1.228,-1.253,-1.299,-1.325,-0.876,-1.146,-1.245,-1.421,-1.548,-1.656,-1.725,-1.799,-1.865
CheckStall=TRUE
CLmax=0.4118
AlphaStall=15.94
AlphaMax=23.90
AlphaDepart=32.69
StallMoment=-0.013
StallDrag=0.001
StallLiftTableNumData=37
StallLiftTableDeltaX=10.00
StallLiftTableStartX=-180.00
StallLiftTableData=0.000,-0.013,-0.028,-0.045,-0.062,-0.058,-0.050,-0.034,-0.014,0.000,0.018,0.053,0.100,0.149,0.216,0.261,0.363,0.567,0.964,0.625,0.386,0.282,0.225,0.178,0.126,0.079,0.040,0.000,-0.014,-0.034,-0.050,-0.058,-0.062,-0.045,-0.028,-0.013,0.000
StallDragTableNumData=37
StallDragTableDeltaX=10.00
StallDragTableStartX=-180.00
StallDragTableData=0.001,0.008,0.021,0.043,0.082,0.123,0.171,0.227,0.292,0.367,0.451,0.562,0.689,0.825,0.937,1.018,1.142,1.122,1.000,1.122,1.142,1.018,0.937,0.825,0.689,0.562,0.451,0.367,0.292,0.227,0
.171,0.123,0.082,0.043,0.021,0.008,0.001
StallXacShiftTableNumData=37
StallXacShiftTableDeltaX=10.00
StallXacShiftTableStartX=-180.00
StallXacShiftTableData=-0.556,-0.556,-0.475,-0.427,-0.423,-0.406,-0.378,-0.348,-0.308,-0.278,-0.248,-0.208,-0.178,-0.150,-0.133,-0.128,-0.081,0.000,0.000,0.000,-0.081,-0.128,-0.133,-0.150,-0.178,-0.208,-0.248,-0.278,-0.308,-0.348,-0.378,-0.406,-0.423,-0.427,-0.475,-0.556,-0.556
Chord=2.85
Ymac=-5.11
StructuralFactor=1.5
MinExtentPosition=  -5.88,-2.83,-0.68
MaxExtentPosition=  -4.04,-0.19,-0.44
CollisionPoint[001]=-5.88,-1.69,-0.37
CollisionPoint[002]=-5.88,-3.02,-0.37
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=WingtipVortexEmitter
VortexPosition=-6.57,-2.69,0.12
VortexG=2.5
SystemName[001]=LeftLEFlap
SystemName[002]=LeftPositionLight

[RightOuterWing]
ParentComponentName=RightWing
ModelNodeName=RWng-Ext
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.044
HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE
LiftSurface=TRUE
CL0=0.0455
CLa=1.2129
CD0=0.0019
CDL=0.0041
Cmq=-0.8551
Cmad=-0.1257
Cyb=-0.0008
Clb=-0.0062
Clp=-0.1137
Clr=0.0018
Cnp=-0.0032
Cnr=-0.0068
CL0MachTableNumData=14
CL0MachTableDeltaX=0.20
CL0MachTableStartX=0.00
CL0MachTableData=0.964,0.972,1.000,1.051,1.137,1.522,1.180,0.849,0.669,0.536,0.438,0.383,0.336,0.298
CLaMachTableNumData=14
CLaMachTableDeltaX=0.20
CLaMachTableStartX=0.00
CLaMachTableData=0.964,0.972,1.000,1.051,1.137,1.522,1.180,0.849,0.669,0.536,0.438,0.383,0.336,0.298
CD0MachTableNumData=14
CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.20
CD0MachTableStartX=0.00
CD0MachTableData=1.618,1.088,1.000,0.977,1.013,2.343,1.432,1.453,1.271,1.152,1.070,1.006,0.953,0.909
CDLAlphaTableNumData=15
CDLAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CDLAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CDLAlphaTableData=32.749,23.837,16.338,10.251,5.576,2.313,0.463,0.025,1.000,3.387,7.186,12.398,19.021,27.057,36.506
CmqMachTableNumData=14
CmqMachTableDeltaX=0.20
CmqMachTableStartX=0.00
CmqMachTableData=0.859,0.890,1.000,1.257,1.857,30.705,4.111,3.526,1.178,0.800,0.654,0.572,0.524,0.502
ClbAlphaTableNumData=37
ClbAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
ClbAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
ClbAlphaTableData=-1.353,-1.394,-1.512,-1.692,-1.912,-2.148,-2.368,-2.548,-2.666,-0.353,1.970,1.883,1.750,1.587,1.413,1.250,-10.722,-2.485,1.000,8.287,9.448,9.871,3.429,7.231,6.353,3.647,6.118,-0.707,-4.019,-3.225,-2.368,-2.148,-1.912,-1.692,-1.512,-1.394,-1.353
CnrAlphaTableNumData=37
CnrAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CnrAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
CnrAlphaTableData=0.000,0.004,0.015,0.034,0.060,0.094,0.134,0.181,0.234,0.293,0.357,0.426,0.500,0.577,0.658,0.741,0.826,0.913,1.000,0.913,0.826,0.741,0.658,0.577,0.500,0.426,0.357,0.293,0.234,0.181,0.
134,0.094,0.060,0.034,0.015,0.004,0.000
XacMachTableNumData=14
XacMachTableDeltaX=0.20
XacMachTableStartX=0.00
XacMachTableData=-1.219,-1.228,-1.253,-1.299,-1.325,-0.876,-1.146,-1.245,-1.421,-1.548,-1.656,-1.725,-1.799,-1.865
CheckStall=TRUE
CLmax=0.4118
AlphaStall=15.94
AlphaMax=23.90
AlphaDepart=32.69
StallMoment=-0.013
StallDrag=0.001
StallLiftTableNumData=37
StallLiftTableDeltaX=10.00
StallLiftTableStartX=-180.00
StallLiftTableData=0.000,-0.013,-0.028,-0.045,-0.062,-0.058,-0.050,-0.034,-0.014,0.000,0.018,0.053,0.100,0.149,0.216,0.261,0.363,0.567,0.964,0.625,0.386,0.282,0.225,0.178,0.126,0.079,0.040,0.000,-0.014,-0.034,-0.050,-0.058,-0.062,-0.045,-0.028,-0.013,0.000
StallDragTableNumData=37
StallDragTableDeltaX=10.00
StallDragTableStartX=-180.00
StallDragTableData=0.001,0.008,0.021,0.043,0.082,0.123,0.171,0.227,0.292,0.367,0.451,0.562,0.689,0.825,0.937,1.018,1.142,1.122,1.000,1.122,1.142,1.018,0.937,0.825,0.689,0.562,0.451,0.367,0.292,0.227,0
.171,0.123,0.082,0.043,0.021,0.008,0.001
StallXacShiftTableNumData=37
StallXacShiftTableDeltaX=10.00
StallXacShiftTableStartX=-180.00
StallXacShiftTableData=-0.556,-0.556,-0.475,-0.427,-0.423,-0.406,-0.378,-0.348,-0.308,-0.278,-0.248,-0.208,-0.178,-0.150,-0.133,-0.128,-0.081,0.000,0.000,0.000,-0.081,-0.128,-0.133,-0.150,-0.178,-0.208,-0.248,-0.278,-0.308,-0.348,-0.378,-0.406,-0.423,-0.427,-0.475,-0.556,-0.556
Chord=2.85
Ymac=5.11
StructuralFactor=1.5
MinExtentPosition=   5.88,-2.83,-0.68
MaxExtentPosition=   4.04,-0.19,-0.44
CollisionPoint[001]= 5.88,-1.69,-0.37
CollisionPoint[002]= 5.88,-3.02,-0.37
HasVortexEmitter=TRUE
VortexEmitterName=WingtipVortexEmitter
VortexPosition=6.57,-2.69,0.12
VortexG=2.5
SystemName[001]=RightLEFlap
SystemName[002]=RightPositionLight

[LeftVertTail]
ParentComponentName=Fuselage
ModelNodeName=LVTail
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE
DamageRating=DESTROYED
MassFraction=0.024
HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE
CD0=0.0019
Cyb=-0.3554
Cyp=-0.0143
Cyr=0.1644
Clb=-0.0288
Clp=-0.0012
Clr=0.0144
Cnb=0.1124
Cnp=-0.0429
Cnr=-0.7270
CD0MachTableNumData=14
CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.20
CD0MachTableStartX=0.00
CD0MachTableData=1.634,1.091,1.000,0.962,1.000,3.824,2.347,1.940,1.670,1.510,1.400,1.314,1.245,1.187
ClbAlphaTableNumData=37
ClbAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
ClbAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
ClbAlphaTableData=1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.845,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.
000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000
CnbAlphaTableNumData=37
CnbAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CnbAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
CnbAlphaTableData=0.932,0.948,0.997,1.071,1.163,1.259,1.351,1.425,1.474,1.545,1.582,1.530,1.450,1.352,1.248,1.150,0.393,0.794,1.000,0.853,0.264,0.040,-0.544,-0.976,0.066,0.140,0.185,0.193,0.209,0.274,0.373,0.495,0.623,0.745,0.844,0.909,0.932
CnrAlphaTableNumData=37
CnrAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CnrAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
CnrAlphaTableData=0.069,0.073,0.076,0.075,0.071,0.063,0.051,0.036,0.021,0.005,-0.005,-0.011,-0.013,-0.004,0.685,0.849,0.572,0.860,0.965,0.880,0.345,0.230,0.259,0.394,0.052,0.025,0.010,0.005,0.000,0.002,0.009,0.020,0.032,0.043,0.054,0.062,0.069
StructuralFactor=1.5
MinExtentPosition=  -0.10,-7.36,0.95
MaxExtentPosition=   0.10,-3.97,2.64
CollisionPoint[001]= 0.00,-7.35,2.64
CollisionPoint[002]= 0.00,-3.02,2.64
SystemName[001]=LeftRudder
SystemName[002]=TailLight

[RightVertTail]
ParentComponentName=Fuselage
ModelNodeName=RVTail
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE
DamageRating=DESTROYED
MassFraction=0.024
HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE
CD0=0.0019
Cyb=-0.3554
Cyp=-0.0143
Cyr=0.1644
Clb=-0.0288
Clp=-0.0012
Clr=0.0144
Cnb=0.1124
Cnp=-0.0429
Cnr=-0.7270
CD0MachTableNumData=14
CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.20
CD0MachTableStartX=0.00
CD0MachTableData=1.634,1.091,1.000,0.962,1.000,3.824,2.347,1.940,1.670,1.510,1.400,1.314,1.245,1.187
ClbAlphaTableNumData=37
ClbAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
ClbAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
ClbAlphaTableData=1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.845,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.
000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000
CnbAlphaTableNumData=37
CnbAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CnbAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
CnbAlphaTableData=0.932,0.948,0.997,1.071,1.163,1.259,1.351,1.425,1.474,1.545,1.582,1.530,1.450,1.352,1.248,1.150,0.393,0.794,1.000,0.853,0.264,0.040,-0.544,-0.976,0.066,0.140,0.185,0.193,0.209,0.274,0.373,0.495,0.623,0.745,0.844,0.909,0.932
CnrAlphaTableNumData=37
CnrAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CnrAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
CnrAlphaTableData=0.069,0.073,0.076,0.075,0.071,0.063,0.051,0.036,0.021,0.005,-0.005,-0.011,-0.013,-0.004,0.685,0.849,0.572,0.860,0.965,0.880,0.345,0.230,0.259,0.394,0.052,0.025,0.010,0.005,0.000,0.002,0.009,0.020,0.032,0.043,0.054,0.062,0.069
StructuralFactor=1.5
MinExtentPosition=  -0.10,-7.36,0.95
MaxExtentPosition=   0.10,-3.97,2.64
CollisionPoint[001]= 0.00,-7.45,2.64
CollisionPoint[002]= 0.00,-6.02,2.67
SystemName[001]=RightRudder
SystemName[002]=TailAntiCollisionLight

[LeftStab]
ParentComponentName=Fuselage
ModelNodeName=LStabilisa
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.015
HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE
LiftSurface=TRUE
CL0=-0.0515
CLa=0.4453
CD0=0.0014
CDL=0.0003
Cmq=-11.0927
Cmad=-0.9299
Clp=-0.0127
CL0MachTableNumData=14
CL0MachTableDeltaX=0.20
CL0MachTableStartX=0.00
CL0MachTableData=1.329,1.336,1.000,0.485,0.292,0.137,0.134,0.120,0.114,0.108,0.101,0.092,0.084,0.118
CLaMachTableNumData=14
CLaMachTableDeltaX=0.20
CLaMachTableStartX=0.00
CLaMachTableData=0.979,0.984,1.000,1.029,1.075,1.393,1.165,0.951,0.815,0.738,0.674,0.614,0.564,0.522
CD0MachTableNumData=14
CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.20
CD0MachTableStartX=0.00
CD0MachTableData=1.635,1.096,1.000,0.980,1.013,2.100,1.274,1.285,1.256,1.127,1.038,0.969,0.912,0.866
CDLAlphaTableNumData=15
CDLAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CDLAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CDLAlphaTableData=225.000,169.000,121.000,81.000,49.000,25.000,9.000,1.000,1.000,9.000,25.000,49.000,81.000,121.000,169.000
CmqMachTableNumData=14
CmqMachTableDeltaX=0.20
CmqMachTableStartX=0.00
CmqMachTableData=0.978,0.983,1.000,1.029,1.076,0.629,0.543,0.450,0.390,0.361,0.332,0.303,0.279,0.259
XacMachTableNumData=14
XacMachTableDeltaX=0.20
XacMachTableStartX=0.00
XacMachTableData=-6.172,-6.176,-6.187,-6.204,-6.235,-5.247,-5.486,-5.578,-5.659,-5.757,-5.807,-5.849,-5.888,-5.924
CheckStall=TRUE
CLmax=0.3192
AlphaStall=40.24
AlphaMax=48.32
AlphaDepart=58.57
StallLiftTableNumData=37
StallLiftTableDeltaX=10.00
StallLiftTableStartX=-180.00
StallLiftTableData=0.000,-0.013,-0.028,-0.045,-0.061,-0.058,-0.050,-0.034,-0.014,0.000,0.018,0.053,0.100,0.149,0.215,0.260,0.362,0.564,0.959,0.623,0.385,0.281,0.224,0.177,0.126,0.079,0.040,0.000,-0.014,-0.034,-0.050,-0.058,-0.061,-0.045,-0.028,-0.013,0.000
StallDragTableNumData=37
StallDragTableDeltaX=10.00
StallDragTableStartX=-180.00
StallDragTableData=0.001,0.008,0.021,0.043,0.082,0.123,0.171,0.227,0.292,0.367,0.451,0.562,0.689,0.825,0.937,1.018,1.142,1.122,1.000,1.122,1.142,1.018,0.937,0.825,0.689,0.562,0.451,0.367,0.292,0.227,0
.171,0.123,0.082,0.043,0.021,0.008,0.001
StallXacShiftTableNumData=37
StallXacShiftTableDeltaX=10.00
StallXacShiftTableStartX=-180.00
StallXacShiftTableData=-0.310,-0.310,-0.265,-0.238,-0.236,-0.226,-0.210,-0.194,-0.171,-0.155,-0.138,-0.116,-0.099,-0.083,-0.074,-0.071,-0.045,0.000,0.000,0.000,-0.045,-0.071,-0.074,-0.083,-0.099,-0.116,-0.138,-0.155,-0.171,-0.194,-0.210,-0.226,-0.236,-0.238,-0.265,-0.310,-0.310
DownwashAlphaTableNumData=37
DownwashAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
DownwashAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
DownwashAlphaTableData=0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,-0.000,-2.118,-4.171,-6.097,-7.838,-9.341,-10.560,-9.525,-4.794,0.400,5.583,10.278,11.253,9.954,8.353,6.497,4.444,2.257,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000
Chord=3.52
Ymac=-1.72
MovingSurface=TRUE
ControlSystemID=1
MinExtentPosition=  -2.54,-7.35,-0.22
MaxExtentPosition=  -0.19,-5.37, 0.16
CollisionPoint[001]=-2.54,-6.77,-0.55
//CollisionPoint[002]=-2.54,-7.45,-0.55
DummyComponent=TRUE
SystemName[001]=LeftStabilizer

[RightStab]
ParentComponentName=Fuselage
ModelNodeName=RStabilisa
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.015
HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE
LiftSurface=TRUE
CL0=-0.0515
CLa=0.4453
CD0=0.0014
CDL=0.0003
Cmq=-11.0927
Cmad=-0.9299
Clp=-0.0127
CL0MachTableNumData=14
CL0MachTableDeltaX=0.20
CL0MachTableStartX=0.00
CL0MachTableData=1.329,1.336,1.000,0.485,0.292,0.137,0.134,0.120,0.114,0.108,0.101,0.092,0.084,0.118
CLaMachTableNumData=14
CLaMachTableDeltaX=0.20
CLaMachTableStartX=0.00
CLaMachTableData=0.979,0.984,1.000,1.029,1.075,1.393,1.165,0.951,0.815,0.738,0.674,0.614,0.564,0.522
CD0MachTableNumData=14
CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.20
CD0MachTableStartX=0.00
CD0MachTableData=1.635,1.096,1.000,0.980,1.013,2.100,1.274,1.285,1.256,1.127,1.038,0.969,0.912,0.866
CDLAlphaTableNumData=15
CDLAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
CDLAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
CDLAlphaTableData=225.000,169.000,121.000,81.000,49.000,25.000,9.000,1.000,1.000,9.000,25.000,49.000,81.000,121.000,169.000
CmqMachTableNumData=14
CmqMachTableDeltaX=0.20
CmqMachTableStartX=0.00
CmqMachTableData=0.978,0.983,1.000,1.029,1.076,0.629,0.543,0.450,0.390,0.361,0.332,0.303,0.279,0.259
XacMachTableNumData=14
XacMachTableDeltaX=0.20
XacMachTableStartX=0.00
XacMachTableData=-6.172,-6.176,-6.187,-6.204,-6.235,-5.247,-5.486,-5.578,-5.659,-5.757,-5.807,-5.849,-5.888,-5.924
CheckStall=TRUE
CLmax=0.3192
AlphaStall=40.24
AlphaMax=48.32
AlphaDepart=58.57
StallLiftTableNumData=37
StallLiftTableDeltaX=10.00
StallLiftTableStartX=-180.00
StallLiftTableData=0.000,-0.013,-0.028,-0.045,-0.061,-0.058,-0.050,-0.034,-0.014,0.000,0.018,0.053,0.100,0.149,0.215,0.260,0.362,0.564,0.959,0.623,0.385,0.281,0.224,0.177,0.126,0.079,0.040,0.000,-0.014,-0.034,-0.050,-0.058,-0.061,-0.045,-0.028,-0.013,0.000
StallDragTableNumData=37
StallDragTableDeltaX=10.00
StallDragTableStartX=-180.00
StallDragTableData=0.001,0.008,0.021,0.043,0.082,0.123,0.171,0.227,0.292,0.367,0.451,0.562,0.689,0.825,0.937,1.018,1.142,1.122,1.000,1.122,1.142,1.018,0.937,0.825,0.689,0.562,0.451,0.367,0.292,0.227,0
.171,0.123,0.082,0.043,0.021,0.008,0.001
StallXacShiftTableNumData=37
StallXacShiftTableDeltaX=10.00
StallXacShiftTableStartX=-180.00
StallXacShiftTableData=-0.310,-0.310,-0.265,-0.238,-0.236,-0.226,-0.210,-0.194,-0.171,-0.155,-0.138,-0.116,-0.099,-0.083,-0.074,-0.071,-0.045,0.000,0.000,0.000,-0.045,-0.071,-0.074,-0.083,-0.099,-0.116,-0.138,-0.155,-0.171,-0.194,-0.210,-0.226,-0.236,-0.238,-0.265,-0.310,-0.310
DownwashAlphaTableNumData=37
DownwashAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
DownwashAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
DownwashAlphaTableData=0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,-0.000,-2.118,-4.171,-6.097,-7.838,-9.341,-10.560,-9.525,-4.794,0.400,5.583,10.278,11.253,9.954,8.353,6.497,4.444,2.257,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000
Chord=3.52
Ymac=1.72
MovingSurface=TRUE
ControlSystemID=1
MinExtentPosition=   2.54,-7.35,-0.22
MaxExtentPosition=   0.19,-5.37, 0.16
CollisionPoint[001]= 2.54,-6.77,-0.55
//CollisionPoint[002]= 2.54,-7.45,-0.55
DummyComponent=TRUE
SystemName[001]=RightStabilizer

// Crew ---------------------------------------------------------

[Pilot]
SystemType=PILOT_COCKPIT
PilotModelName=PVOpilot
SetCockpitPosition=TRUE
Position=0.0000,6.1227,1.4425
MinExtentPosition=-0.25, 5.91,-0.20
MaxExtentPosition= 0.25, 6.99, 0.92
CanopyNodeName=Canopy-Frame

// Engines ---------------------------------------------------------

[Engine1]
ReferenceName=Soyuz/Tumansky R-15BD-300
SystemType=JET_ENGINE
InputName=THROTTLE_CONTROL
EngineID=1
HasAfterburner=TRUE
NumAfterburnerStages=4
SLThrustDry=86300.0
SLThrustWet=110000.0
ThrustAngles=0.0,0.00,0.0
ThrustPosition=-0.854,-6.9751,0.579
ThrottleRate=0.5
NozzleAnimationID=8
IdleThrottle=0.10
IdleRPM=0.68
IdleNozzle=0.0
CruiseThrottle=0.37
CruiseRPM=0.82
CruiseNozzle=1.0
MilThrottle=0.65
MilRPM=1.00
MilNozzle=1.0
MaxThrottle=0.78
MaxRPM=1.00
MaxNozzle=1.0
FullABThrottle=1.12
FullABRPM=1.00
FullABNozzle=0.0
AltitudeTableNumData=10
AltitudeTableDeltaX=3048.0
AltitudeTableStartX=0.0
AltitudeTableData=1.000,0.802,0.634,0.596,0.481,0.388,0.206,0.147,0.105,0.000
DryMachTableNumData=4
DryMachTableDeltaX=0.4
DryMachTableStartX=0.0
DryMachTableData=1.000,0.980,1.172,0.000
WetMachTableNumData=7
WetMachTableDeltaX=0.4
WetMachTableStartX=0.0
WetMachTableData=1.000,0.991,1.207,1.683,2.473,2.750,3.027
MaxInletTemperature=120
GyroscopicInertia=
TSFCM0=0.880
TSFCM1=1.290
AfterburnerTSFC=1.930
MinFuelFlow=0.01
AfterburnerEffectSize=1.5
ExhaustEmitterName=DirtyExhaustEmitter
ExhaustPosition= -0.854,-6.9751,0.579
AfterburnerNodeName=afterburner1
AfterburnerEmitterName=F15AfterburnerEmitter
MinExtentPosition=-1.13,-3.68,-1.02
MaxExtentPosition=-0.14, 2.36,-0.04
FireSuppression=TRUE
GasTempMaxRPM=675.0
GasTempIdleRPM=420.0
GasTempChangeRate=0.0
OverheatTemp=950.0
DamageTempDelta=200.0
OilPressMaxRPM=35.0
OilPressIdleRPM=55.0
OilPressChangeRate=0.5
LowOilPress=12.0
LowOilTempDelta=400.0

[Engine2]
ReferenceName=Soyuz/Tumansky R-15BD-300
SystemType=JET_ENGINE
InputName=THROTTLE_CONTROL
EngineID=2
HasAfterburner=TRUE
NumAfterburnerStages=4
SLThrustDry=86300.0
SLThrustWet=110000.0
ThrustAngles=0.0,0.00,0.0
ThrustPosition=0.854,-6.9751,0.579
ThrottleRate=0.5
NozzleAnimationID=8
IdleThrottle=0.10
IdleRPM=0.68
IdleNozzle=0.0
CruiseThrottle=0.37
CruiseRPM=0.82
CruiseNozzle=1.0
MilThrottle=1.0
MilRPM=0.65
MilNozzle=1.0
MaxThrottle=0.78
MaxRPM=1.00
MaxNozzle=1.0
FullABThrottle=1.12
FullABRPM=1.00
FullABNozzle=0.0
AltitudeTableNumData=10
AltitudeTableDeltaX=3048.0
AltitudeTableStartX=0.0
AltitudeTableData=1.000,0.802,0.634,0.596,0.481,0.388,0.206,0.147,0.105,0.000
DryMachTableNumData=4
DryMachTableDeltaX=0.4
DryMachTableStartX=0.0
DryMachTableData=1.000,0.980,1.172,0.000
WetMachTableNumData=7
WetMachTableDeltaX=0.4
WetMachTableStartX=0.0
WetMachTableData=1.000,0.991,1.207,1.683,2.473,2.750,3.027
MaxInletTemperature=120
GyroscopicInertia=
TSFCM0=0.880
TSFCM1=1.290
AfterburnerTSFC=1.930
MinFuelFlow=0.01
AfterburnerEffectSize=1.5
ExhaustEmitterName=DirtyExhaustEmitter
ExhaustPosition= 0.854,-6.9751,0.579
AfterburnerNodeName=afterburner2
AfterburnerEmitterName=F15AfterburnerEmitter
MinExtentPosition= 1.13,-3.68,-1.02
MaxExtentPosition= 0.14, 2.36,-0.04
FireSuppression=TRUE
GasTempMaxRPM=675.0
GasTempIdleRPM=420.0
GasTempChangeRate=0.0
OverheatTemp=950.0
DamageTempDelta=200.0
OilPressMaxRPM=35.0
OilPressIdleRPM=55.0
OilPressChangeRate=0.5
LowOilPress=12.0
LowOilTempDelta=400.0


// Control Surfaces ---------------------------------------------------------
[LeftFlap]
SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE
CLiftdc=0.30
CDdc=0.035
Cmdc=0.020
DeltaStallAlpha=-3.75
AreaRatio=1.00
DeploymentMethod=MANUAL_WITH_BLOWBACK
Setting[1].Angle=15.0
Setting[1].DeployValue=113.2
Setting[1].RetractValue=120.9
Setting[2].Angle=45.0
Setting[2].DeployValue=113.2
Setting[2].RetractValue=120.9
MaxDeflection=45.0
MinDeflection=0.0
ControlRate=0.2
ModelNodeName=LFlaps
ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE
AnimationID=2

[RightFlap]
SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE
CLiftdc=0.30
CDdc=0.035
Cmdc=0.020
DeltaStallAlpha=-3.75
AreaRatio=1.00
DeploymentMethod=MANUAL_WITH_BLOWBACK
Setting[1].Angle=15.0
Setting[1].DeployValue=113.2
Setting[1].RetractValue=120.9
Setting[2].Angle=45.0
Setting[2].DeployValue=113.2
Setting[2].RetractValue=120.9
MaxDeflection=45.0
MinDeflection=0.0
ControlRate=0.2
ModelNodeName=RFlaps
ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE
AnimationID=2

[LeftStabilizer]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=PITCH_CONTROL
SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL
SecondaryInputFactor=0.41
MovingSurface=TRUE
MaxDeflection=18.0
MinDeflection=-27.0
MaxControlSpeed=204.30
ControlRate=1.0
ModelNodeName=LStabilisa
ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE

[RightStabilizer]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=PITCH_CONTROL
SecondaryInputName=ROLL_CONTROL
SecondaryInputFactor=-0.41
MovingSurface=TRUE

MaxDeflection=18.0
MinDeflection=-27.0
MaxControlSpeed=204.30
ControlRate=1.0
ModelNodeName=RStabilisa
ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE

[LeftAileron]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=ROLL_CONTROL
MaxDeflection=20.0
MinDeflection=-20.0
CDdc=0.0174
Cldc=0.0140
Cndc=0.0205
CldcAlphaTableNumData=37
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
CldcAlphaTableData=1.000,0.940,0.766,0.500,0.174,-0.174,-0.500,-0.766,-0.940,-1.000,-0.940,-0.766,-0.500,-0.174,0.174,0.500,0.104,0.391,1.000,1.502,0.893,0.069,-0.433,0.104,0.059,-0.766,-0.940,-1.000,-0.940,-0.766,-0.500,-0.174,0.174,0.500,0.766,0.940,1.000
CndcAlphaTableNumData=37
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
CndcAlphaTableData=1.000,0.940,0.766,0.500,0.174,-0.174,-0.500,-0.766,-0.940,-1.000,-0.940,-0.766,-0.500,-0.174,0.174,0.500,0.195,0.976,1.000,0.878,1.000,0.561,-0.146,-0.073,-1.736,-1.666,-1.540,-1.300,-1.090,-0.816,-0.500,-0.174,0.174,0.500,0.766,0.940,1.000
MaxControlSpeed=272.19
ControlRate=2.0
ModelNodeName=LAileron
ReverseModelOrientation=False

[RightAileron]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=ROLL_CONTROL
MaxDeflection=20.0
MinDeflection=-20.0
CDdc=0.0174
Cldc=0.0140
Cndc=0.0205
CldcAlphaTableNumData=37
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
CldcAlphaTableData=1.000,0.940,0.766,0.500,0.174,-0.174,-0.500,-0.766,-0.940,-1.000,-0.940,-0.766,-0.500,-0.174,0.174,0.500,0.104,0.391,1.000,1.502,0.893,0.069,-0.433,0.104,0.059,-0.766,-0.940,-1.000,-0.940,-0.766,-0.500,-0.174,0.174,0.500,0.766,0.940,1.000
CndcAlphaTableNumData=37
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
CndcAlphaTableData=1.000,0.940,0.766,0.500,0.174,-0.174,-0.500,-0.766,-0.940,-1.000,-0.940,-0.766,-0.500,-0.174,0.174,0.500,0.195,0.976,1.000,0.878,1.000,0.561,-0.146,-0.073,-1.736,-1.666,-1.540,-1.300,-1.090,-0.816,-0.500,-0.174,0.174,0.500,0.766,0.940,1.000
MaxControlSpeed=272.19
ControlRate=2.0
ModelNodeName=RAileron
ReverseModelOrientation=FALSE

[LeftRudder]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=YAW_CONTROL
ReverseInput=TRUE
MaxDeflection=30.0
MinDeflection=-30.0
CDdc=0.0071
Cydc=0.1044
Cldc=0.0179
Cndc=-0.0237
CydcAlphaTableNumData=37
CydcAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CydcAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
CydcAlphaTableData=1.000,0.970,0.883,0.750,0.587,0.413,0.250,0.117,0.030,0.000,0.030,0.117,0.250,0.413,0.587,0.750,0.527,0.957,1.000,1.000,0.715,0.285,0.237,0.237,0.237,0.117,0.030,0.000,0.030,0.117,0
.250,0.413,0.587,0.750,0.883,0.970,1.000
CldcAlphaTableNumData=37
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
CldcAlphaTableData=1.000,0.433,-0.125,-0.608,-0.957,-1.131,-1.108,-0.891,-0.506,0.000,0.567,1.125,1.608,1.957,2.131,2.108,0.846,1.077,1.000,0.692,0.615,0.538,0.308,0.385,-0.445,-0.365,-0.539,-0.627,-0.731,-0.967,-1.286,-1.617,-1.861,-1.947,-1.823,-1.493,-1.000
CndcAlphaTableNumData=37
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
CndcAlphaTableData=-1.000,-0.985,-0.940,-0.866,-0.766,-0.643,-0.500,-0.342,-0.174,0.000,0.174,0.342,0.500,0.643,0.766,0.866,0.711,0.876,1.000,0.969,1.031,0.340,0.124,0.093,0.023,0.034,0.139,0.058,0.112,0.294,0.400,0.531,0.669,0.800,0.906,0.976,1.000
MaxControlSpeed=153.57
ControlRate=2.0
ModelNodeName=LRudder
RotationAxis=Z-Axis
ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE

[RightRudder]
SystemType=CONTROL_SURFACE
InputName=YAW_CONTROL
ReverseInput=TRUE
MaxDeflection=30.0
MinDeflection=-30.0
CDdc=0.0071
Cydc=0.1044
Cldc=0.0179
Cndc=-0.0237
CydcAlphaTableNumData=37
CydcAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CydcAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
CydcAlphaTableData=1.000,0.970,0.883,0.750,0.587,0.413,0.250,0.117,0.030,0.000,0.030,0.117,0.250,0.413,0.587,0.750,0.527,0.957,1.000,1.000,0.715,0.285,0.237,0.237,0.237,0.117,0.030,0.000,0.030,0.117,0
.250,0.413,0.587,0.750,0.883,0.970,1.000
CldcAlphaTableNumData=37
CldcAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CldcAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
CldcAlphaTableData=1.000,0.433,-0.125,-0.608,-0.957,-1.131,-1.108,-0.891,-0.506,0.000,0.567,1.125,1.608,1.957,2.131,2.108,0.846,1.077,1.000,0.692,0.615,0.538,0.308,0.385,-0.445,-0.365,-0.539,-0.627,-0.731,-0.967,-1.286,-1.617,-1.861,-1.947,-1.823,-1.493,-1.000
CndcAlphaTableNumData=37
CndcAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
CndcAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
CndcAlphaTableData=-1.000,-0.985,-0.940,-0.866,-0.766,-0.643,-0.500,-0.342,-0.174,0.000,0.174,0.342,0.500,0.643,0.766,0.866,0.711,0.876,1.000,0.969,1.031,0.340,0.124,0.093,0.023,0.034,0.139,0.058,0.112,0.294,0.400,0.531,0.669,0.800,0.906,0.976,1.000
MaxControlSpeed=153.57
ControlRate=2.0
ModelNodeName=RRudder
RotationAxis=Z-Axis
ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE

// Internal Guns ---------------------------------------------------------

// Weapon Stations ---------------------------------------------------------

[LeftOuterWingStation]
SystemType=WEAPON_STATION
StationID=1
StationGroupID=1
StationType=EXTERNAL
AttachmentPosition= -4.5280,-1.5390,0.3433
AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0
EjectVelocity=0.0,0.0,-1.0
LoadLimit=1000
AllowedWeaponClass=SAHM,IRM
AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET
ModelNodeName=Station1
PylonMass=86.18
PylonDragArea=0.02

[RightOuterWingStation]
SystemType=WEAPON_STATION
StationID=2
StationGroupID=1
StationType=EXTERNAL
AttachmentPosition= 4.5280,-1.5387,0.3433
AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0
EjectVelocity=0.0,0.0,-1.0
LoadLimit=1000
AllowedWeaponClass=SAHM,IRM
AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET
ModelNodeName=Station4
PylonMass=86.18
PylonDragArea=0.02

[LeftInnerWingStation]
SystemType=WEAPON_STATION
StationID=3
StationGroupID=2
StationType=EXTERNAL
AttachmentPosition= -3.4120,-0.3715,0.3930
AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0
EjectVelocity=0.0,0.0,-1.0
LoadLimit=1000
AllowedWeaponClass=SAHM,IRM,ARM
AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET
ModelNodeName=Station2
PylonMass=86.18
PylonDragArea=0.02

[RightInnerWingStation]
SystemType=WEAPON_STATION
StationID=4
StationGroupID=2
StationType=EXTERNAL
AttachmentPosition= 3.4122,-0.3715,0.3935
AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0
EjectVelocity=0.0,0.0,-1.0
LoadLimit=1000
AllowedWeaponClass=SAHM,IRM,ARM
AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET
ModelNodeName=Station3
PylonMass=86.18
PylonDragArea=0.02

[ECM]
SystemType=ECM_JAMMER
JammerType=NOISE_JAMMER
JammerStrength=60.0
MinExtentPosition=  -0.23, 1.60, 0.74
MaxExtentPosition=   0.23, 1.60, 1.00

[ECMLinks]
SystemType=ECM_JAMMER
JammerType=DECEPTIVE_JAMMER
JammerStrength=50.0
MinExtentPosition=   -4.04,-2.24,-0.90
MaxExtentPosition=  -4.14,-2.24,-0.90

[ECMRechts]
SystemType=ECM_JAMMER
JammerType=DECEPTIVE_JAMMER
JammerStrength=50.0
MinExtentPosition= 4.04,-2.24,-0.90
MaxExtentPosition=  4.14,-2.24,-0.90

[DecoyDispenser1] 
SystemType=DECOY_DISPENSER 
EjectPosition=0.20,1.60,1.0 
EjectVelocity=0.50,0.0,9.70 
NumFlare=20 
NumChaff=40 
MinExtentPosition= -0.23, 1.60, 0.74 
MaxExtentPosition= 0.23, 2.99, 1.15

[DecoyDispenser2] 
SystemType=DECOY_DISPENSER 
EjectPosition=-0.20,1.60,1.0 
EjectVelocity=-0.50,0.0,9.70 
NumFlare=20 
NumChaff=40 
MinExtentPosition= -0.23, 1.60, 0.74 
MaxExtentPosition= 0.23, 2.99, 1.15

// Fuel Tanks ---------------------------------------------------------

[FuselageFuelCell1]
SystemType=FUEL_TANK
FuelTankID=1
MaxFuelAmount=3400
SelfHealing=TRUE
FireSuppression=TRUE
MinExtentPosition=-0.46, 3.27, 0.60
MaxExtentPosition= 0.46, 1.71, 0.92 
Armor[FRONT].Thickness=6
Armor[RIGHT].Thickness=6
Armor[LEFT].Thickness=6
Armor[REAR].Thickness=6
Armor[TOP].Thickness=6
Armor[BOTTOM].Thickness=6

[FuselageFuelCell2]
SystemType=FUEL_TANK
FuelTankID=2
MaxFuelAmount=3400
SelfHealing=TRUE
FireSuppression=TRUE
MinExtentPosition=-0.46, 1.68, 0.60
MaxExtentPosition= 0.46, 0.80, 0.92 
Armor[FRONT].Thickness=6
Armor[RIGHT].Thickness=6
Armor[LEFT].Thickness=6
Armor[REAR].Thickness=6
Armor[TOP].Thickness=6
Armor[BOTTOM].Thickness=6

[FuselageFuelCell3]
SystemType=FUEL_TANK
FuelTankID=3
MaxFuelAmount=3400
SelfHealing=TRUE
FireSuppression=TRUE
MinExtentPosition=-0.46, 0.76, 0.50
MaxExtentPosition= 0.46,-0.80, 0.92 
Armor[FRONT].Thickness=6
Armor[RIGHT].Thickness=6
Armor[LEFT].Thickness=6
Armor[REAR].Thickness=6
Armor[TOP].Thickness=6
Armor[BOTTOM].Thickness=6

[FuselageFuelCell4]
SystemType=FUEL_TANK
FuelTankID=4
MaxFuelAmount=3400
SelfHealing=TRUE
FireSuppression=TRUE
MinExtentPosition=-0.46,-1.81, 0.44
MaxExtentPosition= 0.46,-0.81, 0.92 
Armor[FRONT].Thickness=6
Armor[RIGHT].Thickness=6
Armor[LEFT].Thickness=6
Armor[REAR].Thickness=6
Armor[TOP].Thickness=6
Armor[BOTTOM].Thickness=6

// Landing Gears ---------------------------------------------------------

[NoseGear]
SystemType=LANDING_GEAR
Retractable=TRUE
DeployTime=5.0
AnimationID=1
DragArea=0.25
HideGearNode=FALSE
ModelNodeName=FW-Strut01
InsideNodeName=
ShockAnimationID=4
ShockStroke=0.40
SpringFactor=2.0
DampingFactor=1.0
WheelNodeName=FW-Wheel
RotationAxis=X-Axis
RollingRadius=0.348
CastoringWheel=TRUE
CastoringNodeName=FW-ax
Steerable=TRUE
MaxSteeringSpeed=41.15
Locking=FALSE
MaxSteeringAngle=45.0
InputName=YAW_CONTROL
ControlRate=1.0
HasBrakes=FALSE
RollingCoefficient=0.05
MaxDeploySpeed=128.61
MaxLoadFactor=5.0

[LeftMainGear]
SystemType=LANDING_GEAR
Retractable=TRUE
DeployTime=5.0
AnimationID=1
DragArea=0.50
HideGearNode=TRUE
ModelNodeName=BW-LMain
ShockAnimationID=6
ShockStroke=0.25
SpringFactor=4.0
DampingFactor=2.0
WheelNodeName=BW-LWheel
RotationAxis=X-Axis
RollingRadius=0.543
CastoringWheel=FALSE
HasBrakes=TRUE
BrakingCoefficient=0.75
RollingCoefficient=0.05
MaxDeploySpeed=128.61
MaxLoadFactor=6.0

[RightMainGear]
SystemType=LANDING_GEAR
Retractable=TRUE
DeployTime=5.0
AnimationID=1
DragArea=0.50
HideGearNode=TRUE
ModelNodeName=BW-RMain
ShockAnimationID=7
ShockStroke=0.25
SpringFactor=4.0
DampingFactor=2.0
WheelNodeName=BW-RWheel
RotationAxis=X-Axis
RollingRadius=0.543
CastoringWheel=FALSE
HasBrakes=TRUE
BrakingCoefficient=0.75
RollingCoefficient=0.05
MaxDeploySpeed=128.61
MaxLoadFactor=6.0

// Airbrakes ---------------------------------------------------------

[Airbrake]
SystemType=AIRBRAKE
DeployTime=3.0
RetractTime=1.5
ModelNodeName=Airbrake
AnimationID=4
DragArea=3.06

// Lights ---------------------------------------------------------

[LeftPositionLight]
SystemType=LIGHT
Position=-4.802,-1.0,0.769
LightSrcOffset=-0.20,0.00,0.00
Color=0.98,0.25,0.25
Brightness=0.03
LightSrcRange=0.9
CanFlash=FALSE

[RightPositionLight]
SystemType=LIGHT
Position=4.802,-1.0,0.769
LightSrcOffset=-0.20,0.00,0.00
Color=0.25,0.98,0.25
Brightness=0.03
LightSrcRange=0.9
CanFlash=FALSE

[TopFuselageLight]
SystemType=LIGHT
Color=0.88,0.88,0.88
Brightness=0.05
Position=0.0,1.60,1.70
LightSrcOffset=0.0,0.0,0.0
LightSrcRange=0.5
CanFlash=TRUE
FlashTime=0.20

[BottomFuselageLight]
SystemType=LIGHT
Color=0.88,0.88,0.88
Brightness=0.05
Position=0.0,6.80,-0.60
LightSrcOffset=0.0,0.0,0.1
LightSrcRange=0.9
CanFlash=TRUE
FlashTime=0.20
[LeftAntiCollisionLight]
SystemType=LIGHT
Color=0.66,0.66,0.60
Brightness=0.02
Position=-2.66,1.24,0.25
LightSrcOffset=0.0,0.0,0.1
LightSrcRange=0.5
CanFlash=TRUE
FlashTime=0.70

[LeftTailLight]
SystemType=LIGHT
Color=1.0,1.0,1.0
Brightness=0.03
Position=-1.716,-7.5,3.6
LightSrcOffset=0.0,0.0,0.0
LightSrcRange=0.5
CanFlash=FALSE

[RightTailLight]
SystemType=LIGHT
Color=0.88,0.88,0.88
Brightness=0.03
Position=1.716,-7.5,3.6
LightSrcOffset=-0.0,0.0,0.0
LightSrcRange=0.5
CanFlash=FALSE

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jaeger_301    0

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Concerning the F-105 vs MIG21 i think you might have to think again.

 

Look at it from this perspective...what were the aircraft designed to do and could each do the others job? Of course not. The big difference historically being that Thuds had a lot of Mig kills while MIG 21s weren't exactly useful at hauling heavy loads of ordnance.

 

The F-105 wasn't "allegedly" the "fastest runner on the deck". It WAS the fastest, common knowledge at the time. You can read accounts of Thunderchief pilots going as low as 30 ft while supersonic. Like i posted above, good luck catching me down there. In this sim i've been at times 700+kts at 50ft while egressing. Please explain how a MIG21 is going to get on my six and shoot me down?

 

during the ingress the GCI placed the MIG 21 and even 17 above the Thuds, they dived on the bombladen Thuds to gain enough speed. For the NVA it was a success when the Thuds had to drop there bombload.

Some F105 pilots describe misguided interceptions when the MIG s flew in formation the the howling Thuds.

 

The primary target for the MIGS during egress where battledamaged planes or mishapps called at that time , to give them the coup de grace.

 

during the egress of Ed Rasimus the engine nozzles didn t close and sure enough he had soon a MIG on his 6.

 

Jaeger

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Salamander67    0

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Found my source about the Blackbirds over the Baltic sea, a swedish book about the GCI's of the swedish air force.

 

The Blackbirds flew a more or less standard track, starting at RAF Mildenhall, flying over Bornholm (Denmark), turning north and coming back over international water between Gotland and Öland. For those with no map it means passing through a narrow strait, which means that the aircraft has to hold a straigth course.

 

Contrary to what I rembered the writer doesn't mention any successfull intercepts. A MiG-25 based in DDR chased a Blackbird all the way back 30 km inside danish territory, failing to close in for a real intercept.

 

Instead, the PVO installed long-range SAM's at Hiiumaa that painted the aircraft when it flew by.

 

The swedes could use the avialbility of the narrow strait though, and managed to guide head-on intercepts a few times. This usually required that the aircrafts, J35 Draken's and JA37 Viggen's, being airborne when the Blackbird appeard over Denmark. If they were lucky and had good guys at the radar they could meet the aircraft for one head-on pass when it flew on the part of the course that was predictable.

 

Calling it an "intercept" probably is an overstatement.

 

The only real intercept happened on the 29th of June 1987 when a SR-71 appeard "low" (well, for a Blackbird) over Gotland. An airborne element with two JA37 first intercepted it and found that only one engine was lit. A while later a second element that had been standing quick reaction alert at a Base in southern Sweden started and also managed to close in on the damaged bird and take a few pcitures of it. It was then escorted to Denmark where dansih fighters were waiting for it. But as said, the aircraft was flying on one engine, so this doesnät probably count as a "true" intercept either.

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Lexx_Luthor    57

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Blast effects are poor at high altitude. But, shrapnel can travel very far very fast up there. If that S-75 detonation happened several thousand feet below the A-12, by the time that piece of shrapnel got up there, slowing down from dragg and gravity, the A-12 was possibly moving faster and flew into it, like a bird strike. If the Ussians did not allow SR-71s over Russian lands, it might have been because of the existence of nuclular armed SAMs. That's just a guess, but one that makes some sense for now.

 

MiGbuster::

Iranian F-4s with Sparrows had no luck intercepting Soviet MiG-25s either - the overflights had to be halted though when the F-14A /AIM-54A weapon system showed up and locked one up at about 65,000ft.

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After the F-14, the best potential tactical frontline fighter for all out warfare in the first Ussian/Iraq War was MiG-25, assuming everything else equal (military budget, electronic warfare, numbers in the air, etc...). For me, the late Cold War retreat to "samauri" Turn-and-Boyd dogfighting at slow speeds WW2 Japanese style meant the end of military aviation, and coincides with the retreat of public interest in military aviation since the 1960s, that and the various limited hot wars tarnished previously shiny war machines of all nations.

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Lt. James Cater    62

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during the ingress the GCI placed the MIG 21 and even 17 above the Thuds, they dived on the bombladen Thuds to gain enough speed. For the NVA it was a success when the Thuds had to drop there bombload.

Some F105 pilots describe misguided interceptions when the MIG s flew in formation the the howling Thuds.

 

The primary target for the MIGS during egress where battledamaged planes or mishapps called at that time , to give them the coup de grace.

 

during the egress of Ed Rasimus the engine nozzles didn t close and sure enough he had soon a MIG on his 6.

 

Jaeger

What you posted is the typical NV GCI tactic. It worked more often than not.

 

The point in question is about a MIG21 catching a Thud that's at full throttle in the weeds. From everything i've researched about the two aircraft i don't think it's possible. If the 105 is say around, 5-18000 ft at typical ingress and egress speeds a 21 should be able to catch one with no problem if it gets the right info from GCI and the US pilots aren't on the ball. The difficulty begins when the Thud pilots go right down to the deck at full burner.

Thrust is relative to height. F4 pilots learned to deal with 21s by tactics which at times involved dragging MIGS down from altitude to where the Phantom had the power advantage and making the MIG do high g turns so it's energy would bleed off. The J-79s had a much greater thrust at lower altitudes than the Tumansky on the 21. Given crews knew what they were doing, they could more than hold their own with a MIG 21.

 

Now look at the Thud, very streamlined for an aircraft of it's size. Designed for low level operations. Rock steady at high speeds just off the treetops. Powered by an engine thats rated at close to 25000lbs thrust.

 

Let the Lead Sled get a dive from altitude to right above (under 100ft) the ground while at full bore and only a sheer miracle on the enemies part will result in an air to air kill for a MIG.

 

The historical fact is that F-105s were lost to MIGs. But also consider that not only was AAA responsible for the majority of losses, Thuds scored enough kills to be considered respectible even though it wasn't even remotely designed for the A2A role.

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+Jug    99

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Assume you mean SA-5 Gammon?

 

Iranian F-4s with Sparrows had no luck intercepting Soviet MiG-25s either - the overflights had to be halted though when the F-14A /AIM-54A weapon system showed up and locked one up at about 65,000ft.

 

If the MiG-31/25 had an equal system it could have made the difference.

 

You know, this thread is full of excellent thoughts, observations, and quoted sources, but at the end of the day, the SR-71 was a huge target for the Sovs and they wanted a kill against one in the worst way. It never happened. Vary the intercepts, vary the SAM type, vary the number of shots, etc., etc. None were ever shot down! Whatever the bird really could do and whatever the Sovs wanted to do to it, the Blackbird escaped and the methods to prevent its escape did not work. Case closed, game over.

 

On the issue of the MiG-21 vs my awesome Thud, remember that success in the sky is totally dependent on the driver, not the machine. MiGs may have killed Thuds because the Thud pilot screwed the pooch or because the MiG pilot was lucky. From a machine standpoint, the Thud was unmatched as a worm-burner, period.

 

Ok, guys cut loose on that.

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Lt. James Cater    62

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Come to think of it, the original question has been answered and many other things have been explored as well. IMO i don't think anything else can come about from this thread other than a possible flame war.

 

Perhaps a MOD should lock it?

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column5    62

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Not a bad idea. The subject has been covered.

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