Funny Stories and Stupid Questions in SF2

[saisran 84]

I just had the most curious experience and thought i start a thread that will cater to the same things...(newbie questions.. gaming experience) this way we can avoid having tons of empty thread being started. just my thought.

 

Playing Strike Fighters 2 have been a joy ever since i started it. The extensive mods are great and the quirky game engine have been well, interesting. But yesterday i have experienced something that made me stare in my screen in disbelief then rolling on the floor in laughter. I was wondering if the same thing has ever happened to you guys.

 

I was running a fictional campaign in 1991 Germany with modern fighters. I was on the TW F-14A on a fighter sweep mission following the way points at 12k ft at subsonic speeds. E-2 radioed in bandits position of 2 o'clock at 50 and 5. and was cleared to engage. I adjusted my heading and ran a scan, i counted four bandits on the radar. i assigned my phoenix on the targets but couldn't get a lock. Probably due to thick low cloud cover and ground clutter. I called my wingman to follow and we dove down beneath the clouds onto the targets. about 7k ft on the dive i got lock on the bandits and called my wingman to fire on the targets. he complied. He called Fox 3 and i blew up... I was in a state of shock and disbelief as i watch the screen go to flyby view of my wing man with my plane reduced to falling debris of fire and smoke. I excited the mission and on the debrief screen it show the entires

 

Lt. Wilbur(my wingman) fired AIM-54A at Mig-27

Lt. Wilbur hit F-14A tomcat with AIM-54A phoenix

Lt. Christie was hit by AIM-54A phoenix

Lt. Christie Crashed....

 

This is probably the first time that i got shot down by my own wingman. i did hoever crashed into an enemy fighter during intense manoeuvres but that's another story.

 

Oh yeah have anyone had a confirmed kill of those freaking vampires?

Edited December 4, 2012 by saisran

[Caesar 305]

I've been splashed by my wingmen while going for guns. Any time I'm in a gun pattern, and then hear "Fox 2" I start pumping flares out like a madman, because I've had it happen too many times that one gets zealous and goes for a heater shot while I'm well inside of its seeker's cone of visibility. I think the most random thing to happen though was when I got a kinetic kill against a MiG-17; I was firing at a different aircraft (about 5-10 miles away) when immediately after the Sparrow came out from beneath my Turkey, I noticed an explosion below my nose straight to 12 o'clock. The lead Fresco got lanced by the Sparrow right after it left my aircraft! I think I was shooting at a MiG-23, because I remember reading in the outbrief something to the effect of "Fired at MiG-23 Flogger/Hit MiG-17/Destroyed MiG-17." Its rare, but it does happen.

 

With respect to getting hit by a friendly RHM, I've had them pass by way close before, and changed my flight path as a result, but I don't think I've ever been hit by a friendly Sparrow/Phoenix/AMRAAM.

[B52STRATO 215]

F-100D - CAP. I took some M39 rounds from one of my wingmen (but in WOE). I shurely past through his sight at the wrong time.

Edited December 4, 2012 by B52STRATO

[+Spillone104 553]

Many times my wingmen downed me. Most of the time with modern sidewinders that have a very wide seeker angle. Sometimes during massive gunfights. But I still remember one time i took a Standard ARM right into my bomber by a SEAD escort aircraft. Maybe was attracted by ECM but I don't really know.

 

Yes.. shoot down some "Vampires" with missiles... And even one with guns since the bomber released the missile while I was trying to bring it down with the Vulcan. :-D

[Slartibartfast 153]

Been hit by all manner of Heatseekers... but whats worse is when your dogfighting a Mig-17/19 in an A-4 going for guns and you get taken out by an Aim-9B!!! whilst you have about 6g on the jet. Also I still haven't learned not to go nose to nose with Mig's in gunless F-4's as I keep losing...

[TeargasHorse 287]

2 days ago I was in a fairly large furbal with about 20 planes. I chasing a Farmer in an F-4D, and there were only 2 bogeys left. I was out of missiles and closing with full burner and guns hot.

I heard, "Fox one" but pressed on thinking that he either fired at the other MiG, or the spear will hit him from another angle, before I get in range.

Well, I didn't get the solution...

 

Payback, I guess for having downed a dozen or so of my own guys trying to clear their tails over the years.

 

BTW, Slartibartfast, getting hit by an AIM-9B?? I can't even hit the ground with that thing. I wonder what his angle was.

Edited December 5, 2012 by TeargasHorse

[saisran 84]

Nice stories guys. I haven't been taken out by a winder or guns by my wingmen. the Phoenix hit was a first for me. The reason i asked about the Vampire kills is because i couldn't get a clear confirmation of a missile hit even with the Phoenix. Those Tu's launches them Kh's at a high 30k ft and then the missiles themselves flew to 70K ft at Mch 3-4 or something. I tried launching Phoenix at them right after launch or in flight or when they finally at low level. One time the outbrief said that i got some of them but never heard the call "you got one!". so i couldn't really tell if it's a clean hit, a proximity hit or if them missile just crashed.

[usafphantom2 19]

I have had my wingmen on a fighter sweep and when there were no more planes they started attacking ground targets and I could'nt call them off,make them rejoin or go home! I have a hard enough time sometimes on a strike mission getting them to attack the ground target! Insubordinate Bas*&%^*

[saisran 84]

With respect to getting hit by a friendly RHM, I've had them pass by way close before, and changed my flight path as a result, but I don't think I've ever been hit by a friendly Sparrow/Phoenix/AMRAAM.

 

I think what happened with my flight was my wingman was right behind me and when he released the phoenix. the ascent angle was right on top where i was and i got speared.

 

 

@usafphantom2 - i hate it when my wingmen doesn't hit ground targets. especially in a SAM infested area where you send them in as sacrifice. :)

[dast24 138]

in SF1 i died one time in a Panther.

i fired a heatseeker an it exploded directly under my plane for whatever reason.

 

one time in a dogfight i fired with the gun on an enemy plane missed it and hitted the plane that was flying behind my target....

 

i´m also flying mig29´s very often.

in most cases i have to land with not more than air in the fuel tanks and so i´m standing on the runway and my wingman crashed in my plane...that sucked because i got 12! A2A kills in that mission.

[macelena 1,070]

Who has never been getting guns close to an enemy bomber and hit by an IRM? I took AIM-9s, RedTops, anything.

 

Just played a fighter sweep in Korea. 2x F-86E vs. 4 MiG-15bis. One of them hit by their own flak when pursuing me, the other one dives into a hill when i outturned him (almost stalled miself at a very low altitude)

 

We go 1vs1, i´m on the tail of my MiG but i only manage to bruise his right wing, detaching his flaps, while he outturns, outruns and out energies me. I pull up to gain some energy and try to bait him into me, but he goes where the other couple were dancing. He turns too hard on my wingman with me on his back, and enters a spin wich turns out unrecoverable.

 

I check for the last one, wich had run away, when i finally catched up, shot a burst, hit him, and entered a furball. He went nose up, spinned down to earth.

 

Got credited with two kills, but it must have been the most ridiculous engagement ever

Edited December 5, 2012 by macelena

[+daddyairplanes 10,243]

dunno if it qualifies as funny story, but i was getting tired of getting my butt shot of going after red carriers in NA. reloaded the B-52G and fired 22 SRAMs at the lil bastard. does that count as overkill?

 

and Slarti you weren't hit by an AIM-9B. you were hit by the other aircraft's wing carrying the Winders. its just that TK has a secret code for that scenario so that it can be claimed the 9B's do work!!!!

[arthur666 65]

...fired 22 SRAMs at the lil bastard.

 

Nuke 'em from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

 

(Sorry, I can never, ever resist saying that.)

[fallenphoenix1986 603]

Had a set up last night flying the F-35B from the tarrawa off iceland on MIGCAP, 4 vs 6 against Mig-29C's. We got the first 5 then we were all out of missiles, no guns. That last Mig dodged at least 6 Aim-120's before bugging out at 170 Knots, passed directly over the Tarrawa at 10,000 with an escort of 4 unarmed F-35B's in close formation. He then dodged 4 Sea Sparrows... all without countermeasures or evassive maneuvering, worst we could do was hurl insults at the cheeky B******.

 

Before the F-35B I was flying a Se Harrier burning off fuel in the pattern before attempting to recover, full throttle, low altitude, radar OFF around the Invincible. Numbnuts here forgot his wingmen were in the pattern and ran head on into his number two with a clossure speed of around 1000 knots. Saw him about a 1/4 second before boom...

 

Managed to accidentally get a ground kill with a Phoenix a few months ago, it missed the Badger it had been aimed at and coasted all the way to an airbase 20 odd miles behind said badger, smack into a parked Mig-23

 

Craig

[usafphantom2 19]

You know now that you've mentioned it I was playing KAW and I have run pursuing migs into the ground,Wonder if I got credit for the kill?

[Fubar512 1,350]

You know now that you've mentioned it I was playing KAW and I have run pursuing migs into the ground,Wonder if I got credit for the kill?

 

Pilot error doesn't count. Want some fun? Try this :

Get into a steep dive from altitude with a MiG-15 on your tail. Make sure that you're almost vertical, and going at least Mach 0.93. Get below 8000 feet, slam the throttle to idle, and pull up sharply. At least half the time, the KAW MiG-15s won't be able to pull out of the dive, and will auger in.

[macelena 1,070]

Pilot error doesn't count. Want some fun? Try this :

Get into a steep dive from altitude with a MiG-15 on your tail. Make sure that you're almost vertical, and going at least Mach 0.93. Get below 8000 feet, slam the throttle to idle, and pull up sharply. At least half the time, the KAW MiG-15s won't be able to pull out of the dive, and will auger in.

 

Try with Sabres equipped with fully moveable tailplanes, in RL they could maneuver better at transonic because of that, heard something about making the migs crash after a dive chase

[thodouras95 25]

I once tried to break away from the formation a little bit too fast, and crashed on my wingman.Another time, I ordered my wingman to attack a ball-busting fresco I was chasing, he went for guns, and got me instead.

 

But the most epic weird story of all is sadly the one I remember the least.I was flying in SF2I, F-4E (I think), and entered a fight with a Fishbed/Fresco (can't remembet) flight.I made my way to one MiG's rear (somewhere between 6-8 o clock, I think), got a tone from my Sidewinder (which must have been a rear-aspect, non-lead-pursuit model), and Fox 2'ed.The MiG, IIRC, was pretty close to the AIM-9's max range, so, thinking the shot was bad, and seeing the MiG turning to avoid the missile and try to get its nose on me, I switched to the Vulcan.The MiG had already turned onto me head-on (I couldn't really follow it in the turn, I was low on speed), and I was trying to get my pipper on it, when all of a sudden, with no warning, I see a mini-smoke trail headed straight for the MiG's 6!Next thing I remember, one bandit is going down in flames, and my wingman (or someone from the flight) is congratulating me for the kill.

 

Other than that, I do recall a couple of low altitude bombing runs where I got damaged/destroyed by my own bombs...

Edited December 5, 2012 by thodouras95

[RogerSmith 72]

 

Other than that, I do recall a couple of low altitude bombing runs where I got damaged/destroyed by my own bombs...

 

I do this all the time in old planes.

[saisran 84]

Warning very long read.... How do you put text inside a scroll?

Let's all give a moment of silence for Maj. Vadim Fedutenko. a fine Airman for the fulcrum, a fierce warrior and an exceptional soldier of The Red Air. For he died in the fulfilment of his duty in service of his country. It was really just his bad luck that he faced one crazy pilot/simmer.

 

 

10-02-2002

 

Maj Vadin Fedutenko and his squad of MiG-29A was tasked to escort a pair of Tu-23M in a strike mission against the USN carrier group stationed somewhere in the Atlantic. A few hours later Maj. Fedutenko's Squad was able to make quick work of the pair of F/A-18 hornet that was launched to intercept the Strike Group. All was calm and peaceful then suddenly both Tu-22 erupted in two giant balls of fire and drops into the ocean. Maj. Fedutenko was stunned but he quickly regains composure and order his squad to regroup and heads to the escape zone. His orders were futile. As he hear Radar warning tone. After hearing three loud Booms, all three of his squadron mate disappears in flame and smokes. He filps his fulcrum over and pulled into an inverted dive and dump as much countermeasure as he can. sure enough he saw a huge missile trail pass by overhead...

 

 

 

News reached Cmdr. Dana Christie that two FA-18 hornets from another carrier group were lost during an intercept mission. He and his wingman are quickly dispatched to intercept and destroy all and every none US aircraft to be found within 200 miles of their carrier.

 

A few hours later. the hawk eye notified them of bandits 100m of their nose. They were identified to be hostiles. two Tu-22M and four MiG-29A. He ordered his wingman to take care of the Mig-29s while he took out the bombers. 60Nm out, Cmdr. Christie launched two AIM-54C Phoenix against the two bombers. After a few seconds both bombers disappear from the radar. By this time his wingman have also sent all four of his AIM-54 on the Fulcrum escorts. They track the bandits and moved in position to finish any survivors. One.. two.. three.. of the four bandits drop of the radar as the E-2 confirms the kill. One of the Fulcrum manages to evade his phoenix. now within 30NM the fulcrum started to turn its nose on the Tomcats. Unfortunately Cmdr. Dana Christie has him padlocked with his Radar and hot for the kill. "Fox 3!". Christie guided an AIM-54 towards the Fulcrum.

 

Maj Fedutenko has position on one of the tomcat the shot down his bombers. And after being shot at himself, his warriors blood began to boil... he decided that he will not go home until he sets one of those American planes down in flames.. he positioned his plane so that he can get a lock on the blip on his Radar. judging his altitide, angle and speed to his target he readies himself to fire a salvo of R-77. But before he can get a lock. his system warns him of an incoming missile. He tried to brave it and wait untill his close enough for an optimal shot of his own. He knew what he was up against he knew he was up against an F-14 and the missile launched at him was a Mach 4.5 Phoenix coming at him at great speeds, if he was just a bit late he wont be able to out turn it. He waited, a little more to take a shot.. "Oh s**t!", once again Vadin was forced to break off. He dove down and dropped more chaffs as he did his best to avoid the unseen threat. Looking around he saw a flash coming in from above. Instinctively he jinked his fighter and pulled in more and dropped a lot more chaffs and even some flares. The dreaded missile shoot past and blew up in the distance... Maj Vadin regained his composure as a friendly radio comm informed him help. "just leave one of them for me"

 

Christie was struck with disbelief. the phoenix he launched had missed and now enemy fighters are inbound for them. He asked Command if they can provide them with assistance but for some unforseen reason he and his wingman are alone in the sky with hostiles coming in. AEW informed him of the new enemy's position. Angels 20 50miles. He check his fuel gauge and he still have plenty more to burn. he decided to seperate from his wing man. He instructed his wingman to continue pursuit of the MiG as he engaged the new threat. "Don't wan't to be sprung from behind." He climbed up to 25 and beamed his radar in the bandits direction. counting only two fighters he was now more confident on their odds. Maintaining speed and altitude he lock up the fighters and launched his remaining phoenix at the lead plane. He maintains lock and the lead while taking note on the second planes position. They're still in control of the fight as his wingman called a sparrow launch himself. All he need to do is to wait for his wingman to finish up and they can do a 2v2 or hopefully a 2v1.

 

He was now skimming on the deck as he had another missile shot at him. he's been burning fuel and he knew that the tomcats are already out of AIM-54s. If he can just break lock from his pursuer then he have a chance. He locked behind and he saw the trail of the missile coming in for him he continued on his path and at the last second pulled up and forced the missile to fly in to the ground. He saw a glint of metal in the sky. The enemy is close.. with his plane being more agile than it was he was now more than confident that he can win this battle. locked it up and fired two of his R-77 on its way at the same time another missile was launched at him...

 

The last Phoenix manages to hit the lead fulcrum and now Christie is on the offensive against the 2nd fighter. Range of 12 nm on chase he lauched a sparrow the missile failed to track. now within 4nm of the enemy fighter he launched a sidewinder on it. He needs to finished up this enemy as the call from his wingman tells him that his partner is in a very bad position. Winchester with a bandit on his six. Thankfully the winder tracked and hit its mark and Christie set a course to aid his wingman.

 

Maj Fedutenko have been following the same fighter for an eternity now. He manage to evade everything thrown at him but the enemy has also managed to evade his own assault so far. running low with barely just enough fuel to take him to the border he knew that even if he eventually manage to get rid of this fighter his friend will come and it'll be time until he was shot down. What's more frustrating for him is that he wanted to get a chance to fight the pilot who managed to kill all his comrades. A radio call of friendly fighters sealed his decision. He will live to fight another day.. Major Fedutenko reluctantly broke off and head home.

 

Cmdr Cristie is now running low on fuel and with more enemy fighters coming in and with little armament to fight with the news of his wingman being out of the fray was a welcome relief for him and he and his wing head for home as the friendloy forces manages to launch friendly interceptors to cover their retreat.

 

 

 

 

10-18-2002 about two weeks from the last engagement

 

Cmdr. Dana Christie is escorting a couple of F/A-18 hornets in a strike mission against enemy occupation. enroute they are encounter a squadron of MiG-29. tasked to intercept their flight. Getting a good lock on the enemy flight. He asked his wingman to Engage. 4 AIM-54 Phoenix was fired 3 of them hitting their target leaving only but one survivor. "He's here!" Dana Christie smile with delight. He knew that the mig pilot who managed to evade their attack was the same pilot that made his wingman retire. Ever since that time he was out for revenge...

 

Maj Vadin Fedutenko was tasked to intercept and take out the escorts of a strike group detected earlier in the day. When he was informed that they might be up against F-14 Tomcats he was more than delighted. Finally he has a chance to redeem himself against his arch enemy. Deep in his heart that he knew he will be up against the same pilot who laid shame on his fellow countrymen. However right before take off a mishap happened on the plane that he was supposed to use. A plane was immediately pulled out from maintenance to serve as his mount. This plane was exactly the same as the one he used two weeks before. He should have been more delighted as he will be using the same plane but climbing into the cockpit an uneasy feeling came over him...

 

Setting himself up for an optimum course for the missile to take to the bandit and getting a solid lock onto the target, Cmdr. Dana Christie launched a pair of AIM-54s. he waited patiently for the missiles to hit their mark both missile missed the target. Christie smiles.. "Fox3!"

 

As soon as the first member of his squad blew up Maj Fedutenko pulled and burn. Increasing his altitude and dropping chaffs. a few momemnts had past and thinking the missile threat died down Fedutenko eased off and ran a radarscan for the enemies position... His eyes grew wide as a Smoke trail passed him just a few feet above head and another trail went passed through taking a part of his left wing with it exploding behind him and setting one of his engine on fire.

 

Cmdr Christie had fired off all of his phoenixw while maintaining an intercept course for the elusive MiG. The TCS system shows a mig Flying with a missing wing and smoking engine on course towards the boarder. Killing it with a winder or a sparrow will now be an easy task but Cmdr Christie has other things in his mind..

 

Maj Fedutenko was able to regain control of his plane and the fire supression sysytem has put out the eninge fire. But, His plane is greatly crippled leaking fuel and with little to no response from the flight control he is clearly in n condition to fight. Still well above enemy territory Fedutenk set a course home.

 

Cmdr Christie has managed to catch up on the crippled Fulcrum. he placed his gunsight just above the fulcrum's canopy and let a short burst hoping to elicit a response. The fulcrum twitches and pivots trying release itself from gunlock but the lack of surface control rendered it's efforts meaningless. Christie positioned his gunsight now a little bit to the left of the fighter and let out a burst.. then a bit to the right and a burst...

 

MAj Fedutenko is flying on his crippled Mig-29 Fulcrum. he saw the tomcat roght behind him and he saw a burst of tracers above his head grazing the canopy. He triggered the exjection system but it failed to fire. he saw anothe short burst from his left side then on the otherside... a burst came and took out a part of his left stabilizer. MAj Fedutenko has never known absolute fear all his life but the Huge grey, metal bird behind him with the insignia of a skull and cross bone.. to him is the embodiment of terror! he knew that the enemy is toying with him. In his mind he can see the pilot laughing underneath that helmet as he let out burst of canon fire. "the devil!" He said to himself. This time the controls is almost frozen solid. He tried one more time to fire his ejection seat. he looked back, the plane behind him is really a magnificent fighter. the way each line meets the other makes for a beautiful design. But as much as he admire it he can't help but fear it. "beautiful and deadly." He squints his eyes as he saw the pilot signalling to him. It was a universal gesture famous in the west. a clenched fist with the middle finger extended upward. He saw flashes from the F-14's guns.

 

 

 

 

Btw has anyone find the TW's F-14 radar rather weak? couldn't get a lock on a fighter until about 40-60nm with it.

Edited December 6, 2012 by saisran

[fallenphoenix1986 603]

Its the 35's radar I'm having trouble with, can't lock up a 29 until <20nm, AI wingies seem able to lock and launch much further out. I would say however that it would be great if a salvo of Phoenix could get more than one hit like in your story

 

Craig

[thodouras95 25]

I would say however that it would be great if a salvo of Phoenix could get more than one hit like in your story

 

Craig

 

I once took out 4/6 Mirage 2000s.But that's just about it.Other than that, I rarely hit modern fighters, regardless of how up-to-date the AIM-54s I have are.I've never had a full Phoenix salvo track at the same time, let alone hit something.

[RogerSmith 72]

regardless of how up-to-date the AIM-54s I have are.I've never had a full Phoenix salvo track at the same time, let alone hit something.

 

Not even Tu-16s?

[saisran 84]

Wow somebody actually read what i wrote. Thanks!

 

To be honest im fairly successful even with the 54A. i can at least get at least 33% hit rate. its rare that all 4 will miss. usually 2 of four will hit. and my wingman the one who scored the hits have 12 air victories and the second one 8 air kills. but usually its number 3 that gets the kill wing no 2 misses everything. what i usually do is get in a higher point at high subsonic or sonic speeds track 4-6 bandits. get wingie in range, adjust radar range, lock said bandits and let wingie fire. slowdown and wait for a hit or miss. Do the same for no 3 or if getting way too close reset radar lock them up again and do the business myself then ask no 3 for left overs with this i can usually get all bandits or trim them down for a clearer engagement with sparrow and winders.

[+daddyairplanes 10,243]

well in R/L the Navy never shot down anything with them other than drones. think the first combat firing was in the 90's against an Iraqi Foxbat for........ 0 kills. the Iranians claim to have made some Phoenix kills during the 80-88 war. they also claim their drone tech is real tho.................