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For the future the F-22 is not good enough. It has its advantages only by their stealth potential. In WVR dogfights it is beaten very often. Eurofighter had done it and F-16s too.

You will answer, the F-22 is intended to fight from distance. But this is only possible as long the enemy has no stealth planes.

The PAK FA is said to have the same stealth factor as the F-22. If this is true, then the time of BVR superiority for the USAF is gone. Then WVR dogfights will be again. And this is a job the F-22 cant really do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm interested to know where this comes from - currently the F-22A doesn't have AIM-9X and HMCS - this would put it at a disadvantage up close compared to something that had sure - but a lot of the time the legacy jets don't get a chance to use the HMCS because the Raptor is entering the fight wherever it likes. The F-22A is supposed to be getting HMCS/ AIM-9X with subsequent upgrades.

 

Then there is this comment from a Structures Engineer for GD in the 1970s for the F-16 (John Will):

 

 

In comparing the Raptor and Viper, instantaneous turn capability at higher airspeeds is limited by load factor (g). If both airplanes are 9g, then their instantaneous turn capability is the same. With its higher thrust to weight and lower wing loading, the Raptor has higher sustained turn capability at most conditions. At lower airspeeds, the Raptor wins due to its higher angle of attack capability and TV. Remember, instantaneous turn means speed may drop during the turn and sustained turn means constant speed during the turn, with both turns at constant altitude.

 

 

 

 

And this:

 

I'm a Viper driver and I've had the opportunity to fight one (well, a couple really.) Without going where I can't go, I have to say that the Raptor beat up on me, my formation, the Eagles, and the other red air without me ever seeing him until he rolled in on my 6 and gunned the tar out of me. Wasn't much I could do about it! I have fought many other jets in the world - Eagles, Hornets, Hogs (for what that's worth), MiGs, Mirages (2000 & F1), and several other types & nationalities I'm forgetting about I'm sure - I have lost some, but won most fights. The Raptor changed the way I thought about fighting - I have never felt so defenseless before, I'm just glad I am on their side.

The earlier posts about it not being about the Raptor's maneuverability are right on -between how high, fast, and how amazing his technology was we (the many red air) were dead about as fast as the controller could pass the words. I am used to a rhythm in air-air engagements and they just destroyed the tempo - their tune was over before we had really even started.

The bottom line: I was a skeptic and thought it should be done away and replaced with new Bl #60 Vipers - now . . . well, to repeat myself, I'm just glad I'm on their side. Now can I have one too? If not, then I'd be happy to jump on the second line in a new Bl60 or F-35.

Oh yeah, it is a hell of a lot more maneuverable than a Viper.

 

 

Based on this analysis you have to say it aint bad at traditional nose pointing either.

 

 

Although - it not the end of the story for sure - back the 80s F-16As shot down 80+ aircraft at a single competition in Lossiemouth and bombed ground targets - and im sure Busdriver posted a story of his F-16 Aggressors getting wiped out by F-15s.

 

Modern warfare seems to be about networked systems all sharing information and working as a team to form absolute battlespace dominance (in concept) - the F-22 is just a single node. Anyone basing their air force on individual kinematic capabilities might as well bury the jets in the sand.

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F-22 is worth it, thought I think F-23 was miles better, F-35 on the other hand is in my eyes just a corporate welfare...

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Will everyone STOP with the irrelevancy? This is irritating me beyond belief. Why do you continue to harp on the thing that matters least?

 

The F-22 is not supposed to be the "best fighter against other fighters." That is NOT the idea, so STOP saying "oh, it fails at this," because that's not its mission!! It's not supposed to go up and get in dogfights with every enemy plane out there in 1 v 100 scenarios.

 

It's supposed to be a stealthy missile carrier! It's supposed to go up and fight about as well as an F-15 in DENIED airspace. What the hell good is your F-15 or F-16 with its "superior" dogfighting ability if the stupid thing is shot down an SA-xx long before it gets in range of the enemy fighters?

 

It's stealthy AGAINST GROUND DEFENSES...why? Because 95% of US fighter losses in the past 50 years have been to SAMs and AAA, so don't you think that's worth guarding against? Being able to fight on even terms with an enemy fighter in airspace that is 100% lethal to any other allied platform is what it's all about!

 

No, everyone would rather argue about angels dancing on pinheads, sorry, I mean how it will perform against some other as-yet not-in-production POSSIBLY-as-good-as-F-22 plane. :blink: Anyone can make a prototype. Make an operationally viable force that is an actual threat and THEN we can compare it to what the F-22 can do. BTW, I'm putting the F-35 in that because it's not in service yet either as apparently the program managers there expected godlike abilities from their programmers and when they failed to be Hercules-at-the-keyboard, the entire program fell down and is still trying to recover.

 

I suppose the F-117 was a major failure because we didn't have a fleet of hundreds of them to carpet bomb Iraq in 1991? I mean, that's what bombers do, right? Look at WWII!! The B-17 and B-24 worked that way, but the F-117 couldn't, so it must have been a big fail.

 

Very well said.

 

In a similar vein, tanks are useless against submarines - so lets mothball all the tanks!

 

that's about as logical as some of the arguments against the F-22.

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F-22 is worth it, thought I think F-23 was miles better, F-35 on the other hand is in my eyes just a corporate welfare...

 

Rogeo on the F-23.

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F-35 does a lot more things than the F-22

 

I think that's it's main problem, it an A-10 with the P-47 load capatibility, stealthy but nowhere near as stealthy for air superiority, can't turn, can't run but you can play Battlefield 3 on it better than on your average PC...

 

Arguably the F-35 will also turn out to be more than a match for any opposition in BVR & WVR combat since it has unlimited situational awareness courtesy of EODAS.

I'm not sure about that, BVR with very limited missile load perhaps, but VVR according to the specs and pilot comments so far it could have a problem with 40 years old "pure blood" fighters. Constant problems, delays and limitations are not reassuring either.

 

IMHO they(USA) should had built the F-23(also for the Navy) set it as "master exploder", the Emperor of the skies with all the electronics and systems, build some F-22 as ANG interceptors and ease off on the F-35 to really make it the "new F-16", upgrade legacy fighters and perhaps introduce special variants of B-1 or even B-2 for long range stand off SEAD missions

Sounds expensive? Maybe but USA defense budget covers 41% of total world defense budget so I think they can manage...not to mention that last year total F-35 program cost rose to 1,5 trillion $ :wink:

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Will everyone STOP with the irrelevancy?

 

You want to fight the wars of the past. For this wars the F-22 fits perfectly.

I want to fight the wars of today and tomorrow. And there the F-22 is not the best choice.

 

The F-22 is a technological milestone and a masterpiece of engeniering. No question.

Its a high capable plane. Again no question.

But it is not neccessary to have the high capablilities, but the right capabilities. And the F-22 has not the right capabilities for today and tomorrow.

 

The needed capabilities are: a plane must operate under rough field conditions, must be able to attack ground targets and support ground forces, must be resistant against damages, should have low operational costs and the industry must be able to build the plane in high scales if needed.

Not one of this today needs the F-22 can reach.

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Gepard, I hate to argue (well maybe not :biggrin: ) but the wars of the past have a way of becoming the wars of the present very quickly; the wars we fight in the future may not look anything like the wars we are fighting now. Planning on those wars being no more intense than invading a third-world s#%thole like Iraq would be criminal. Look what's going on in the Pacific at the moment between China, Japan, and the Philippines. For better or for worse, the United States has treaty obligations to Japan as well as Taiwan. I'm already extremely unhappy that the best the Navy has is the Super Hornet; while not a bad fighter, it doesn't have the margin of superiority over aircraft in the Chinese inventory that I would like to see. We've already fought one Pacific war where we started with aircraft that were overmatched by our opponents; I don't want to fight another.

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Good argument. But to be honst, how realistic would be a fireexchange with China? I doubt that it will happen, because the ecomonies of the big countries are so closely networked (hope that is the correct english term, perhaps connected or depending are better words). American debts are the rich of China. If China would attack America it would destroy its own debitor. If America would attack China it would harm its own interessetd because the Chinese would sell all US depts on the free market with the result, that the USA would be bankrupt into some days. And then the Chinese could say "Good bye" to their money.

And this will not change in the next years. So the only real enemies the free world has to fear are gras root terrorists or failing states.

For the medium timeframe i will agree with you. We dont know who will be friend or foe in 20 or 30 years and the good old latin proverb. "Civic pacem para bellum" is very true.

But the technological world will have changed dramaticaly in this timeframe. The Raport is outdated then. And the successors will be the drones. Its not the future i wish, but i think the drones or UAV, UCV will be the weapons of the wars in the medium range timeframe.

In the case of the F-22 we will surely only agree, that we disagree.

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You want to fight the wars of the past. For this wars the F-22 fits perfectly.

I want to fight the wars of today and tomorrow. And there the F-22 is not the best choice.

Newsflash: Iraq and Afghanistan are the wars of the past. The wars of today are currency wars between east and west and the wars of tomorrow are going to be tradewars then hot wars between US/EU and China/Russia.

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Good argument. But to be honst, how realistic would be a fireexchange with China? I doubt that it will happen, because the ecomonies of the big countries are so closely networked (hope that is the correct english term, perhaps connected or depending are better words). American debts are the rich of China. If China would attack America it would destroy its own debitor. If America would attack China it would harm its own interessetd because the Chinese would sell all US depts on the free market with the result, that the USA would be bankrupt into some days. And then the Chinese could say "Good bye" to their money.

 

That's what people said before both world wars. The idea that because the Chinese hold a lot of our paper debt it would prevent a war between us is not realistic. That debt wouldn't be sold because it would be worthless, having been declared null and void on day one of hostilities.

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...i just want ...to say ...that in the red flag...the HAF was there...and the first day.....!!!!!.....was shoot down a f-22...from a greek f-16 52+......from the rear and back....!!!!!

....that is a fact.....!

I can say it because...was my friend....the pilot..!!

It is a nice future plane....but...shoot it down...by a f-16 52+.....

Nobody was expect it....that....!! And from that day ...the f-22...was not in the red flag....!This happen before some time....now a year ago..

 

The F-22 was designed as a beyond visual range stealth fighter with dogfighting as a last resort, but very capable option. That F-16 was in a conventional dogfight with another jet, that battle would come down to who "F'd" up 1st. In reality the F-16 or any fighter would not have a chance in the BVR with the F-22. As for the air to ground mission. The plane has built in computer compartment space for war computer upgrades for air to ground missions. Maybe not now, but in a decade or so the F-22 will be able to rule the air and if needed be able to strap on some mud moving gear once It's claimed air superiority.

 

Good argument. But to be honst, how realistic would be a fireexchange with China? I doubt that it will happen, because the ecomonies of the big countries are so closely networked (hope that is the correct english term, perhaps connected or depending are better words). American debts are the rich of China. If China would attack America it would destroy its own debitor. If America would attack China it would harm its own interessetd because the Chinese would sell all US depts on the free market with the result, that the USA would be bankrupt into some days. And then the Chinese could say "Good bye" to their money.

And this will not change in the next years. So the only real enemies the free world has to fear are gras root terrorists or failing states.

For the medium timeframe i will agree with you. We dont know who will be friend or foe in 20 or 30 years and the good old latin proverb. "Civic pacem para bellum" is very true.

But the technological world will have changed dramaticaly in this timeframe. The Raport is outdated then. And the successors will be the drones. Its not the future i wish, but i think the drones or UAV, UCV will be the weapons of the wars in the medium range timeframe.

In the case of the F-22 we will surely only agree, that we disagree.

That's what people said before both world wars. The idea that because the Chinese hold a lot of our paper debt it would prevent a war between us is not realistic. That debt wouldn't be sold because it would be worthless, having been declared null and void on day one of hostilities.

 

That would never happen China would never, nor would America go to war with each other we are strong economic allies and we have a "Healthy Military Rivalry" that is all.

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"healthy military rivalry". Thats a good one! :drinks:

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"healthy military rivalry". Thats a good one! :drinks:

You bet it is, and thats all it will ever be.

America without China or China without America is not a good option for the rest of the world. .

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My dad can beat up your dad. :lol:

 

Fact: The F-22 at Red Flag has "destroyed" every fighter it has faced from every country that participated time and time again. That includes Typhoon, Vipers, Eagles shall I keep naming? Does the F-22 occasionally get beat? Duh...yes. But the shear numbers of its wins vs losses against just about every fighter in the free world in the realistic combat scenarios just short of actually shooting the planes down is staggering. Gepard, ever been to Red Flag? I have. many times.

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And now, F-22's are being deployed to South Korea to face the NKAF air threat.

 

I rather doubt another squadron of A-10's would do well against NKAF Mig-29's............

 

if the lunatic regime in the North does start something, the F-22's may be very important indeed.

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Yes, the massive threat of 35 downgraded 70ies MiGs with inexperienced pilots and virtually no fuel can only be dealt with by sending F-22s.

To state it clearly, I think the F-22 is worth it big time, but pointing to the KPAF is not helping to convince anyone who is not convinced already. ...which is probably the main issue here, people on both sides seem to try convincing themselves rather than others.

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To state it clearly, I think the F-22 is worth it big time, but pointing to the KPAF is not helping to convince anyone who is not convinced already.

True, especially considering the fact that people seem to forget there's something called ROKAF in the South and even more so just how brutal and well equipped that ROKAF thing is :grin:

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who said you need them for korea?

 

but yes, it is a bit overkill.No major enemy is going to emerge in the near future.

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who said you need them for korea?

 

but yes, it is a bit overkill.No major enemy is going to emerge in the near future.

 

China...

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China...

 

There you go.Now it seems to be worth its money (although China is actually one of the last countries that I believe you'd go to war against in the near future)

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who said you need them for korea?

How about reading all the pages :wink:

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Yes, the massive threat of 35 downgraded 70ies MiGs with inexperienced pilots and virtually no fuel can only be dealt with by sending F-22s.

To state it clearly, I think the F-22 is worth it big time, but pointing to the KPAF is not helping to convince anyone who is not convinced already. ...which is probably the main issue here, people on both sides seem to try convincing themselves rather than others.

 

Granted that the NKAF is not exactly a world class threat, but you clearly have no clue what they do have, do you?

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F-15s may be enough, but F-22s would do better. Specially if they have some S-300 or something like that. If the kind of gangnam-banzai-style attack the North Koreans would do, Raptors could be quite needed.

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F-15s may be enough, but F-22s would do better. Specially if they have some S-300 or something like that. If the kind of gangnam-banzai-style attack the North Koreans would do, Raptors could be quite needed.

 

Precisely!

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But the NK will not send out their fighters. They will fire a salvo of missiles and thousands of rounds of arti ammo over the border.

How well the F-22 will deal with this? Totally fail.

The A-10 in contrary could do a very well job.

Even if NK would have the S-300PMU SAM it would be unable to defend the contry with it. Korea is mountanious. So a plane can easily hide from radar detection by low flying.

F-22 makes a good job in improving the US pride. For Korea it fits like a WW2 battleship.

No weapon of NK could really harm an Iowa class Battleship. So lets send it out to NKs shores to deliver a messenge. :drinks::drunks:

 

 

Dave. Red Flag is a nice thing. It proved, that the F-22 is not as superior as it is shown at Discovery Channel and Fox News.

2007 the french Mirage got it on the radar and shot it down in simulated Dogfight. 2011 the same thing with Eurofighter.

As long as the american pilots are aware of the weaknesses of the F-22 and make the best of their strength, then they will surely win.

But if they come in circumstances of WVR combat the technical superiority is not more given. Then .... it could end unhealthy.

So the solution is to fight only from distance. If you can.

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      Upon noticing room for improvement, yakarov79 helped finalize the 3d model with numerous, additional details; accurate pylons and rail launchers, new external fuel tanks, highly detailed rack and small diameter bomb 3d models, canopy and thrust-vectoring animations, high-res skin with specular and bump maps, updated cockpit model, and so on.
      A realistic, well-thought flight model has been produced by our expert, baffmeister. Moreover, Crusader offered his great expertise to improve upon his previous modification for the Raptor's avionics. All their efforts have raised the quality bar of the project I had started; much credits to them all.
      I further polished the package by adding historically accurate weapon loadouts, my selection of sounds (including authentic engine samples by guuruu), realistic camouflage shapes and colours, reworked decals for the actual USAF's F-22A squadrons, new cockpit textures and other tweaks here and there. Each squadron has got historically correct serial numbers, and they appear in chronological order in the loadout screen; the serial numbers at the bottom of the list are those of aircraft that joined that squadron for last, while the serials at the beginning of the list indicate those aircraft that were available to that squadron for first.
      Like you would expect in an opera omnia, I even reproduced three unique paint schemes of real Raptors; the air superiority camouflage of the EMD 91-4001 Prototype of September 1997, the temporary "Blue Nose" decoration of the "Cripes A'Mighty" Raptor assigned to the 149th Fighter Squadron in April 2010, and a generic Mid-Production livery sporting the markings of the last Raptor ever produced that flew for the first time in March 2012.
      Templates by yakarov79, tweaked by yours truly, are included for your skinning fantasies.
      Notes:
      -The cockpit is not yet accurate, as various details couldn't be reworked due to RL and time constraints. We were working on a brand new cockpit with accurate HUD and displays. Slimers with correct illumination were also planned. Hopefully they will be a thing in a future re-release.
      -The aircraft folder is named "F-22A", just like the one included in a number of mod packages which use an old 3d model by Dels. In order to avoid mismatches and bugs of any sort, it's highly suggested to either remove or rename the aircraft folder using Dels' Raptor 3d model.
      -GPS guidance bombs (EOGB) do not work as intended in SF2, there are issues about them not locking on target and about AI behaviour. The GBU-39 has been set as an EOGR, so it works like a missile; this is a needed workaround to have them loaded properly on a rack while keeping the GPS guidance property.
      -You need to tweak the SoundList.ini file in order to fully experience any new sounds. Read "(Add to SoundList)" for further details, and remember to extract the SoundList.ini file from the FlightData.cat archive, if you do not have a custom one in your mod folder already.

      >Credits (in no particular order):
      -Heberth, for making this (once forgotten) fantastic 3d model.
      -Julhelm, for sharing the files of his superb F-22A cockpit 3d model, allowing yakarov79 to improve upon it.
      -yakarov79, for his invaluable help in finalizing the 3d model and remaking the base textures; you have my gratitude.
      -baffmeister, for his excellent flight model; it's thanks to him if this beauty flies as good as it looks.
      -Crusader, for reworking the avionics enhancement made for Julhelm's F-22A cockpit, and for improving the AIM missiles.
      -guuruu, for sharing his RWR symbols improvement mod and for making better engine sounds.
      -ravenclaw_007, for the AIM missiles from his top notch Weapons Pack 2, the GBU-32 JDAM bomb and the ACES II seat 3d models.
      -viper63a, for his old F-22A USAF Raptors Redux package, from which I borrowed decals.
      -simonmiller416, for his smokeless rocket effects mod.
      -mue, for his LOD Viewer which helped immensely in the making of the skins.
      -Cocas, for further help given to Heberth for the aircraft's 3d model.
      -My girlfriend, for supporting me in all of my endeavours.
      Additional ReadMe files by yakarov79 and baffmeister have been included among few others; be sure to read those to know about their work in better detail.

      >Disclaimer:
      This is a freeware; yet it can be redistributed ONLY in other CombatACE mods/mod packages.
      This mod may NOT in any way, shape or form be used in any payware additions.
    • By Menrva
      F-22A Raptor Skin Pack
      October 13th, 2021 (1st Release)
      by Menrva

      >For Strike Fighters 2 games
      This is an extra skin pack for the high quality F-22A Raptor aircraft add-on. Most skins are based on ideas and depictions from other videogames. Here below a list of the included ones:
      -YF-22 Paint Scheme (inspired by the real YF-22 prototype)
      -Sea Raptor Livery (inspired by the F-22N Sea Raptor concept)
      -Saudi Grey Camouflage (as depicted in Digital Image Design's F-22 Total Air War)
      -Egyptian Woodland Camouflage (as depicted in Digital Image Design's F-22 Total Air War)
      -USAF Pac West Camouflage (as depicted in Digital Image Design's F-22 Total Air War)
      -Desert Lightning Camouflage (as depicted in NovaLogic's F-22 Lightning 3)
      -Phoenix Livery (from Namco Hometek's Air Combat, as depicted in Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown)
      -Phoenix Livery, Dark (as depicted in Project Aces' Ace Combat Infinity)
      -Scarface One Livery (as depicted in Namco Hometek's Ace Combat 2)
      -Z.O.E., Red Livery (from Namco Hometek's Ace Combat 2, as depicted in Project Aces' Ace Combat Infinity)
      -Mobius One, ISAF Livery (as depicted in Project Aces' Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies)
      -Abell, Black Livery (as depicted in Project Aces' Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies)
      -Razgriz Livery (from Project Aces' Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War, as depicted in Project Aces' Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation)
      -Pegas, 3-Tone Blue Camouflage (as depicted in Project Aces' Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation)
      -Indigo Wing Livery (as depicted in Project Aces' Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation)
      -Gryphus One Livery (from Access Games' Ace Combat X: Skies of Deception, as depicted in Project Aces' Ace Combat Infinity)
      -Warwolf Livery (as depicted in Project Aces' Ace Combat: Assault Horizon)
      -Mobius One, IUN Livery (as depicted in Project Aces' Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown)
      -Trigger Livery (as depicted in Project Aces' Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown)
      -JASDF 2-Tone Blue Camouflage (as depicted in Project Aces' Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown)
      As a bonus, different aircraft configuration files are included in the "(Alternative Data)" folder. You'll be able to choose between realistic loadouts (default configuration of the aircraft add-on package) and what-if loadouts inspired by the mentioned F-22 videogames of the late 90s, namely weapons included in F-22 Lightning 3. Both configurations are also available with the addition of invisible skids; those will allow you to perform belly landings, which are a feature of good old F-22 Total Air War.
      Notes:
      -The B61 tactical nuclear bomb is a retarded version, but drop it safely from high altitude at high speed. Take note that it does not damage the stock Runway object, due to the armor values of it. The B61 is meant to be used against naval fleets you may encounter on some custom terrains.
      -You need to tweak the SoundList.ini file in order to fully experience any new sounds. Read "(Add to SoundList)" for further details, and remember to extract the SoundList.ini file from the FlightData.cat archive, if you do not have a custom one in your mod folder already.

      >Credits (in no particular order):
      -yakarov79, for his high quality templates which allowed me to easily put some new paint on the aircraft.
      -ravenclaw_007, for sharing some of his latest weapon 3d models for the bonus what-if loadouts.
      -Astore, for providing me with better Ace Combat themed emblems, and for being one of the few Italian Ace Combat fans like me.
      -godrugalultimate, from DeviantArt, for making incredibly detailed Ace Combat themed decals.
      -RythusOmega, for providing all Ace Combat 7 emblems and whose skins have been used as reference for the Phoenix liveries.
      -Lanzerince, whose Ace Combat 7 skins have been used as reference for the Scarface livery.
      -mue, for his LOD Viewer which helped immensely in the making of the skins.
      -Blade, for sharing info about the purpose of the game's decal levels.
      -My girlfriend, for supporting me in all of my endeavours.

      >Disclaimer:
      This is a freeware; yet it can be redistributed ONLY in other CombatACE mods/mod packages.
      This mod may NOT in any way, shape or form be used in any payware additions.
    • By Menrva


      View File NovaLogic Skin Pack
      NovaLogic Skin Pack
      September 13th, 2022 (1st Release)
      by Menrva

      >For Strike Fighters 2 games
      This package includes high quality skins representing the player's aircraft from three lite flight simulators released by NovaLogic, namely F-22 Raptor in 1997, F-16 Multirole Fighter and MiG-29 Fulcrum both released in 1998. Below, a summary of the details of each skins:
      -NL_357CW, for the F-22A Raptor aircraft I released. This skin represents the fictive Raptor Squadron of the 58th TFS, 357th CW (Composite Wing), which took part in military operations in Angola, Jordan, Russia, Colombia and Iran. Serial numbers are realistic, the first being 001 as portrayed on the player's aircraft from NovaLogic's game.
      -NL_16AESOG, for the F-16C Block 42 aircraft released by The Viper Team. It depicts the fictive Viper Squadron of the 32nd TFS, 16th AESOG (Air Expeditionary Special Operations Group), which took part in military operations in Serbia, Liberia, Congo, Burma and Somalia. I made the skin for the Block 42, since it's reminescent of the one that NovaLogic modelled. Serial numbers are semi-realistic, the first being 112 as portrayed on the player's aircraft from NovaLogic's game.
      -NL_11EW, for the MiG-29S Fulcrum-C aircraft released by The Mirage Factory. It depicts the fictive 300 Squadron of the 7th Red Banner Guards Regiment, 11th Expeditionary Wing, which took part in military operations in the Kurile Islands, Uganda, Somalia, Burma and Tajikistan. Serial numbers are generic, the aircraft does not have any in NovaLogic's game.

      >Credits (in no particular order):
      -The Viper Team, for its detailed F-16 3d models and relative templates.
      -The Mirage Factory, for its good old MiG-29 3d model.
      -Sundowner, for the MiG-29 templates he made available.
      -yakarov79, for his reworked F-22 3d model and relative templates.

      >Disclaimer:
      This is a freeware; yet it can be redistributed ONLY in other CombatACE mods/mod packages.
      This mod may NOT in any way, shape or form be used in any payware additions.
      Submitter Menrva Submitted 09/12/2022 Category What If Skins  
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