Svetlin Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Yes, a test bed for the Tu-144. Main landing gear is in such a place that does not leave much room for more than the standard 2 pylons. Still it will be cool to have it in SF world. Quote
+KnightWolf45 Posted July 8, 2013 Author Posted July 8, 2013 after some RL net issues im back sorry for the black out Raven there his on real ETA on this and th MiG-21 analog wloud be a great add! i have come across some 3 views of the analog whit two pilons per wing whit the centerline that make 5 like the second gen Migs i see PM CadeteBRA for details on P.1154 he has and go from there. here the list i have so far.... AdAEnterdar6 late<--mostly CASMirage G4 or 8 views i have found are all G8 < strike and reconMirage F2 < Interceptor , air superority and escort AeronavalSiroco M late wip< strike cas reconF-8FN< Interceptor , air superority and escort sharnakMirage 5sh wip< Mutli role but on on Air to Air dutyEnterdar6 early <wip Strike CAS dhimarNF-102 fang< light multi roleBac Boreas P.45C< strike CASFairey FD 2 or SR 177? <Interceptor , air superority and escort USAFfairchild F-15 <Interceptor , air superority and escortF-4X < Strike CAS SEADA-7D < CAS some StrikeF-4G <SEAD USNV-507<Interceptor , air superority and escortA-6E< StikeEA-6B < SEADA-7E < CAS USMCA-4M CAS? RAFHawker P-1154 <Interceptor , air superority and escortBac Boreas P45C late wip < Strike recon CASTSR 2 Strike FAASora FGA2 wip Strike CASHawker P-1154N<Interceptor , air superority and escort LuftwaffeVak-191B mk6< CAS Recon F-4F Multi roles mostly air to air URSSMiG-21Bis < Interceptor , air superority and escortMig-23PD wip < stirke air to air superorityMig-21MF MUlti roleYak-36M < CASYak-28-64? if made < recon CAS Strike PAranMiG-21F Faceplate wip Mult role more no Strike and CASMig-21PFM <Interceptor , air superority and escort?Mig-23BN < Strike CAS Recon DoharMig-17F < CAS strikeMiG-19S Multy role?? this his all open to debate just a general idea! Cocas Daniel Quote
Gunrunner Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 Just for clarification on the Mirage G front... There has been 3 prototypes built for 3 programs, however two of these prototypes were used for 2 programs successively : Mirage III G / Mirage G : Mostly intended as a testbed and proof of concept for the Dassault swing-wing, dual seater, single engine, based on the Mirage F.2 prototype airframe. Mirage G4 : Intended for small scale production as a strike aircraft, dual seater, two engines, two prototypes were built, unfinished before cancellation, they never flew. Mirage G8 : Study for an interceptor, single seater, two engines, the two G4 prototypes were finished to G8 standard, the first one still as a dual seater (G8 01), the second as a single seater (G8 02), the final airframe would have been shorter than G8 02. Most plans you will find are of G8 01, which was previously G4 01 and a dual seater, technically it is a G4. A G8 trainer would have been markedly different from G8 01 as it would have had a transparent section between both seats, as the Mirage G had, and the seats would have been stepped more to offer a better view from the back seat, giving a more hunchbacked profile. So, if it's a swing-wing Mirage : 2 seats, 1 engine = Mirage G 2 seats, 2 engines, strike = Mirage G4 1 seat, 2 engines, interceptor = Mirage G8 Quote
+Stratos Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 Do you have pics of how the Dhimari planes will look like? Quote
+KnightWolf45 Posted July 9, 2013 Author Posted July 9, 2013 views i have Mirage f2 Fairchild F-15A Fairey delta 2 Nf-102 fang F-5´s daddy! Mirage G Vought V-507 Sr -177 later i post pics of my early wips in max Quote
+KnightWolf45 Posted July 9, 2013 Author Posted July 9, 2013 promissed wip shot at this point im mostly make the "bonés" next i will focus on finishing one by one no eta since im mostly alone on this one. Fairchild F-15A Faceplate Mirage G Phantom some net pics of the Fang i realy like it alot daniel 4 Quote
fallenphoenix1986 Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 Thank you :) Tried to make an SR.177 myself a few years ago but didn't get very far, quite interseted in the rest of those birds as well especially the VG Phantom. Craig Quote
+KnightWolf45 Posted July 9, 2013 Author Posted July 9, 2013 to SR 177 think we need to at least one more underwing pilon to completment wing tip and fuel tank pilons! and a gun! fairey delta worry me about pilot visibility! outher then that i like it hsa much has the SR 177 Vg phantom has some strange apeal i just that i can make it good enough! Quote
+KnightWolf45 Posted July 9, 2013 Author Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) wend i Google Fairey delta for pics this thing shows up! going to dig more on this to find out more complet bullshit its relates to his fórum dont haven know if i can use! http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=177560 Edited July 9, 2013 by cocas Quote
imperialwolfx Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) Been a lurker for a while and saw your model progress on the F-4 VG or FV as was, bit of a "What if" Looney myself so would love to see this make it into SF2.You may have this but hope it helps. http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1966/1966%20-%200191.html Information from the time on the UK proposed version from Mc Donnell Douglas http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Never_Weres/Planes/USA/Fighters/Phantoms/F-4_Swingwing.gif - Edited July 9, 2013 by imperialwolfx Quote
+KnightWolf45 Posted July 10, 2013 Author Posted July 10, 2013 right now my dilema whit the Phantom VG his the nose.. make a E type gun nose since im using it as an USAF/TAC aircraft or make the normal navy no gun nose like the drawings i realy dont know...... Quote
+RAVEN Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 Do both noses, then you won't have to make one or the other later. Quote
+Stratos Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 If you can select only one, go for the E type. After all there's no kill as a gun kill! Quote
fallenphoenix1986 Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) to SR 177 think we need to at least one more underwing pilon to completment wing tip and fuel tank pilons! and a gun! fairey delta worry me about pilot visibility! outher then that i like it hsa much has the SR 177 I'd thought about that as well, just might be enough space for something the wing root(s), not really much space to plant a gun on this one though. As for missiles, 2 Firestreaks/Redtops matches the lightning at least, perhaps a tad light but again this jet really wasn't big enough to carry much more unless it went up without external tanks. I also never really understood why the canopy framing on the .177 was so heavy, was planing on replacing it with something more akin to the SR.53's canopy* had I managed to get that far. In the case of the FD2 it was purely a research bird so I guess visability wasnt as important, could always just "what if" something similar to the F-104's canopy? * SR.53, small mixed powerplant tech demonstrator that served as the forerunner of the SR.177: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders-Roe_SR.53 Craig Edited July 10, 2013 by fallenphoenix1986 Quote
+KnightWolf45 Posted July 10, 2013 Author Posted July 10, 2013 both nose sounds better more work but better has for both Sr 177 or Delta 2 they will be handle last maybe we can find a better option since its for dhimar in western aircraft will do.... Quote
+Julhelm Posted July 13, 2013 Posted July 13, 2013 I have a 3d model of the Convair model 44 Tomcat contender if you want to finish it. Quote
+KnightWolf45 Posted July 14, 2013 Author Posted July 14, 2013 come one of the masters of modeling danm i want it also saves some work! Quote
logan4 Posted July 14, 2013 Posted July 14, 2013 (edited) This bird would be nice. It is in progress... i have to get some other bird out of the way first, then i can finish it. Edit:attached evidence Edited July 14, 2013 by logan4 4 Quote
+KnightWolf45 Posted July 15, 2013 Author Posted July 15, 2013 if one of our s WIPs thats in the way leave it be and take care of this one please that thing his hot!!!! Quote
logan4 Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 Ok, my apologies for the bad wording, they are not "in the way" but had higher priority from my point of view. So were sort of "ahead" of that plane. Quote
+KnightWolf45 Posted July 16, 2013 Author Posted July 16, 2013 ok np since there no real eta on this one hell i got sereval planes make plus making the campaing and ground war etc etc Quote
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