bazillius Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, UllyB said: We already cut the list, to make it short look at it now, does it look short to you ? Yes. the list is long. There is a risk that everyone will vote for the aircraft that he himself proposed and each aircraft will receive one vote, or modification maker will say "no, I will not make this plane, let it be somebody else". Quote
UllyB Posted February 9, 2023 Author Posted February 9, 2023 Current updated list: - Grumman S-2 Tracker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_S-2_Tracker) - Grumman E-1 Tracer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_E-1_Tracer) - Canadair CL-215 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadair_CL-215) - MIG-19S Farmer-C (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-19) - North American AJ Savage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_AJ_Savage) - North American X-15 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_X-15) - Lockheed F-94 Starfire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-94_Starfire) - Convair F2Y Sea Dart (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_F2Y_Sea_Dart) - SNCASE Baroudeur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCASE_Baroudeur) - KAI KF-21 Boramae (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_KF-21_Boramae) - SEPECAT Training Jaguar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEPECAT_Jaguar) - Training SU-15 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-15) - Lockheed-Martin F-35 Lightning II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II) - Mirage G8 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_G) - Northrop YF-17 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-17) - De Havilland Canada DHC-4 Caribou (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Canada_DHC-4_Caribou) - SU-34* (BONUS) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34) - Hawker Hunter T7 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hunter) - Hawker Hunter T8 (interesting plane!) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hunter) - F9F-8T Cougar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F9F_Panther) - Training Eurofighter Typhoon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon) - Casa C-101 Aviojet (Interestiiiiiing) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASA_C-101_Aviojet) - F-16 XL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16XL) - Mirage 2000D (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_2000N/2000D) - Mirage 2000N (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_2000N/2000D) - AMX A-1M (I like this one) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX_International_AMX) - AIDC F-CK-1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDC_F-CK-1_Ching-kuo) - Lockheed U-2S (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_U-2) - KAI T-50 Golden Eagle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_T-50_Golden_Eagle) - Dassault/Dornier Training Alpha Jet-E (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault/Dornier_Alpha_Jet) - Textron AirLand Scorpion (I like this one, too) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textron_AirLand_Scorpion) - Chengdu J-20 ("Mighty Dragon") (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20) - Helwan HA-300 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helwan_HA-300) - Sukhoi Su-75 Checkmate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-75_Checkmate) *************************************************************************************************************************** Just a note: New planes which have scarce to none invaluable info which is needed to build a model after, have little chance to make it in the final, for obvious reasons :D , unless YOU come forward and provide reliable info. One cannot build an aircraft just based on fantasies or wet dreams, you know that. Don't say I didn't warn you... Quote
UllyB Posted February 9, 2023 Author Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bazillius said: Yes. the list is long. There is a risk that everyone will vote for the aircraft that he himself proposed and each aircraft will receive one vote, or modification maker will say "no, I will not make this plane, let it be somebody else". If it's gonna be a tie, we could take a second tour vote and let community make up its mind, deciding what it really wants. I just want the crowd to be happy in the end, that's why I am here. Edited February 9, 2023 by UllyB Quote
bazillius Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, UllyB said: One cannot build an aircraft just based on fantasies or wet dreams, you know that. Don't say I didn't warn you... 4 minutes ago, UllyB said: I just want the crowd to be happy in the end, that's why I am here. my likes are over, so I put this 1 Quote
UllyB Posted February 9, 2023 Author Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) Good news folks, the SU-34 is back into the game, today I had the confirmation. But I need a hand and as I know you , you will all help. Please give me all you've got as important reference info I should take into consideration (photos, schemes, important technical details that one must take into consideration when building the 3D model etc). I need them quickly to pass them to the team responsible for it. The sooner I have them, the sooner the plane will be finished ;) Thank you in advance Edited February 9, 2023 by UllyB 3 Quote
Nightshade/PR Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 For starters... http://www.wardrawings.be/Modern/Site/Air/Russia/Fighters/Su-27_37/SU-34.htm http://www.wardrawings.be/Modern/Site/Air/Russia/Fighters/Su-27_37/Data/Su-34.htm 2 1 Quote
Nightshade/PR Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 https://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-models/aircraft/military-aircraft/su-34 1 Quote
+EricJ Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 Here are some reference photos that I have on my hard drive: Downloads.7z 1 Quote
Jimbib Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) http://airwar.ru/enc/bomber/su34.html (some more drawings towards the bottom of the page) https://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/su-34/su-34_all.shtml Walkarounds: http://www.superfighter.hu/MASK 2005/Su34MAKS2005FOTOLASZLOKOVARIGABORZORD/index.html http://walkarounds.scalemodels.ru/v/walkarounds/avia/after_1950/Su+34/ http://walkarounds.scalemodels.ru/v/walkarounds/avia/after_1950/su-34_akhtub/ http://walkarounds.scalemodels.ru/v/walkarounds/avia/after_1950/Su-34_Baltimor_Voronezh_proff71/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/124748333@N07/albums/72157668657957124/ https://www.recomonkey.com/Air-Platforms/Fixed-Wing/Fighter-Multirole/Su-34/Su-34-Russia/Walkaround/ https://www.net-maquettes.com/pictures/sukhoi-su-32fn-walkaround/ Edited February 9, 2023 by Jimbib more links 1 1 Quote
bazillius Posted February 9, 2023 Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, UllyB said: Good news folks, the SU-34 is back into the game....... eference info Yeeeeey! Hurrrrrray! Check IM 1 Quote
UllyB Posted February 9, 2023 Author Posted February 9, 2023 Guys, thanks a lot for help. I passed the material. Quote
UllyB Posted February 11, 2023 Author Posted February 11, 2023 (edited) Folks , there's a problem with the vote system I didn't anticipated. The Website Poll applet allows just 15 item to choose from and there are 33 planes total in the final list, so...instead of complicating things and making at least 2x15 choices (and hopping that none will vote twice different planes LOL) we better make up our minds for a final 15 contestants list. So please take a good look to the preliminary list and let me know what you've decided.If this will be sorted out until Monday (enough time I hope), then we will have a poll Tuesday for two or three days, to let enough time for all to vote. If there is a better solution I would like to hear it. Edited February 11, 2023 by UllyB 2 Quote
bazillius Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, UllyB said: 15 item to choose from and there are 33 planes total in the final list I am ready to deleting the proposed by me KAI KF-21 Boramae, because this is the aircraft of the future, it is in development and we do not yet know exactly how and when it will be mass-produced. What can definitely be removed from the list is the Sukhoi Su-75 Checkmate. This aircraft is an absolute propaganda fantasy and will never be translated into reality. You can Join together "doubles" as Mirage 2000N & Mirage 2000D. Minus useles for game aircrafts which are not "fighters not bombers nor recon" which are interesting but can not be applied in any mission. This is my opinion, personal. You may not agree with it. Edited February 12, 2023 by bazillius 1 Quote
UllyB Posted February 12, 2023 Author Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) I agree that planes which don't exist yet, so there won't be enough credible data to build a model should go. But let here some other opinions before I am using my knife LOL Edited February 12, 2023 by UllyB Quote
+Cliff7600 Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 The way I would do things is to complicate things... Are we in a rush ? Maybe not Do we like all those aircrafts ? I guess yes So I would make a poll for each category of aircrafts. Not to decide which aircraft will be created, but to ask people their preference and then take a decision, because I'm fully aware that such a work should have a minimum interest game-wise. Fighters - F-35A - F-35B - F-35C - MiG-19S - F-94C Starfire - Mirage 2000D/N - AMX A-1M - AIDC F-CK-1 - J-20 - J-16 Bombers, patrol & recon - S-2 Tracker - E-1 Tracer - OV-1 Mohawk - A-2 Savage - E-2 A/B Hawkeye - U-2R/S / TR-1 - Mosquito Trainers - Jaguar E/B(T2-T4) - Su-15U - Hunter T7/T8 - Lightning T4/T5 - F9F-8T - Eurofighter Typhoon (2 seater) - Casa C-101 - Alphajet A/E - Aermacchi M-346 Liners & Cargo - Tu-154 - Caravelle - AN-72 / AN-74 - Beluga - 747 cargo - C-1 Trader - YC-14 - Concorde - 727 - DHC-4 Caribou - Do-31 Seaplanes - CL-215 - Martin Mars - Martin Marlin - Martin Mars - CL-415 Prototypes - YF-17 - Mirage G8 - X-32 (with a different wing shape) - X-15 - F2Y - Baroudeur - KF-21 - F-16XL - KAI T-50 - Textron Airland Scorpion - Su-75 - Helwan HA-300 Missiles - SS-N-27 - SS-26 - SS-21 - Thrust SSC - Bloodhound SSC Bonus - Su-34 - Yes please, I wouldn't mind a Su-34 - Oh, you're making a Su-34 ? That's great news ! Okay it's a big mess to organize, but it's not as hard as making a brand new 3D model. Just my grain of salt Quote
alexis99 Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 Actually, I don't care. We already have some of the greatest aircraft already available. But I don't blame any of you for dreaming.... 1 Quote
UllyB Posted February 12, 2023 Author Posted February 12, 2023 1 hour ago, alexis99 said: Actually, I don't care. We already have some of the greatest aircraft already available. But I don't blame any of you for dreaming.... Who are you talking to...? Who is dreaming ? Quote
UllyB Posted February 12, 2023 Author Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Cliff7600 said: The way I would do things is to complicate things... Are we in a rush ? Maybe not Do we like all those aircrafts ? I guess yes So I would make a poll for each category of aircrafts. Not to decide which aircraft will be created, but to ask people their preference and then take a decision, because I'm fully aware that such a work should have a minimum interest game-wise. Fighters - F-35A - F-35B - F-35C - MiG-19S - F-94C Starfire - Mirage 2000D/N - AMX A-1M - AIDC F-CK-1 - J-20 - J-16 Bombers, patrol & recon - S-2 Tracker - E-1 Tracer - OV-1 Mohawk - A-2 Savage - E-2 A/B Hawkeye - U-2R/S / TR-1 - Mosquito Trainers - Jaguar E/B(T2-T4) - Su-15U - Hunter T7/T8 - Lightning T4/T5 - F9F-8T - Eurofighter Typhoon (2 seater) - Casa C-101 - Alphajet A/E - Aermacchi M-346 Liners & Cargo - Tu-154 - Caravelle - AN-72 / AN-74 - Beluga - 747 cargo - C-1 Trader - YC-14 - Concorde - 727 - DHC-4 Caribou - Do-31 Seaplanes - CL-215 - Martin Mars - Martin Marlin - Martin Mars - CL-415 Prototypes - YF-17 - Mirage G8 - X-32 (with a different wing shape) - X-15 - F2Y - Baroudeur - KF-21 - F-16XL - KAI T-50 - Textron Airland Scorpion - Su-75 - Helwan HA-300 Missiles - SS-N-27 - SS-26 - SS-21 - Thrust SSC - Bloodhound SSC Bonus - Su-34 - Yes please, I wouldn't mind a Su-34 - Oh, you're making a Su-34 ? That's great news ! Okay it's a big mess to organize, but it's not as hard as making a brand new 3D model. Just my grain of salt A wise proposition nonetheless, BUT, sorry (sponsor privilege) , these chapters won't be included: Missiles/Transport/Sea planes (except CL-215). The list is already long as it is. Also, entries made previous this discussion, won't make it to the list for the same reason. If your model/idea is backed up by a majority of community, we will try it, unless anyone else find a better solution. I already asked Erik , through our esteemed admin, Wrench, to explore the posibility to extend to 35-40 the applet load. I am still wating for an answer on this matter. Edited February 12, 2023 by UllyB 1 Quote
+GKABS Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 3 hours ago, alexis99 said: Actually, I don't care. We already have some of the greatest aircraft already available. But I don't blame any of you for dreaming.... I don't know what's this statement stand for! I think you need to explain yourself. Because as far as I see your statement it sounds rude. I hope I'm wrong and if I am please accept my apology. Quote
UllyB Posted February 12, 2023 Author Posted February 12, 2023 1 hour ago, GKABS said: I don't know what's this statement stand for! I think you need to explain yourself. Because as far as I see your statement it sounds rude. I hope I'm wrong and if I am please accept my apology. I think what he meant is that, for him, the myriads of aircraft already in download section are enough. About the dreaming I think he meant that one can dream what aircraft would like to see built. I don't think he wanted to be rude. He just didn't choose the right words to express himself. 1 Quote
UllyB Posted February 12, 2023 Author Posted February 12, 2023 I've got word from Wrench and it's not good news. It seems that applet can't be changed to support more lines, so...if , by tomorrow, I don't hear a better solution , we will adapt Cliff's idea and make it work somehow. More about that tomorrow. 1 Quote
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