Su-37 'Flounder-A' and Naval F-104N 'Starfighter'

[TeaAndScones 2]

Hello.

Last year, I posted a thread here to ask anyone if they had any information on a possible Su-37 'Flounder-A'; an enemy that appears in the 1994 flight sim 'US Navy Fighters'.  It was apparently, an A-10-like CAS aircraft, designed to support Russian troops against US forces in-game.  No one did have any info.  But since then, I have managed to find a small number of images that point to the aircraft's possible existence as a design concept, under the Su-37 designation.

 

 

As you can see, it employs a cranked-delta wing design, not unlike the ground-oriented F-16XL.  This allows lower stall speeds than a pure-delta design.  However, the engine appears to be a standard turbofan, like those employed on fighter aircraft, rather than the turbofans employed on the A-10.  Wouldn't this make slow-speed a bit troublesome?

 

 

And here is the virtual depiction in US Navy Fighters, pointing to its intended role as an A-10-like CAS platform.

 

If this sparks anyone's memories or knowledge of this aircraft, sharing it would be greatly appreciated.

 

On a second note, did there ever exist a Naval version of the F-104 'Starfighter'?

The above image is the depiction is US Navy Fighters.  Despite saying U.S.A.F. on the wings, in-game, it is operated by the US Navy, under the F-104N designation, complete with CATOBAR gear.

 

Any help on this would be great too.

 

DatBritish.

[+logan4 847]

In real world that AC was Sukhoi's S-37 project proposal, the one before the later famous S-37 Berkut.

The AC actually had a total of 17 planed hardpoints and its engine was the same as on the Yak-41 stovl main engine. Quite powerful beast.

 

Here are some info on it, but probably you already found these. Also the "secrectprojects" forum has quite a topic on it.

 

S-37 Project

 

Length: 17.65m (Bedretdinov), 17.5m (Butowski)

Wingspan: 12.08m (Bedretdinov), 11.8m (Butowski) (8.64m folded) 

Wing Area: 50 sq m

Height: 5.74m

 

Maximum speed: 1500km/h at low level, Mach 2.0 at height

Maximum altitude: 17000m

Range, 3000kg payload: 800km (low level) 1,500km (high level)

G load: +9/-3g

Supersonic G load: 8g

Acceleration from 600km/h to 1100km/h at 1000m altitude: 14 secs

Acceleration from 1100km/h to 1300km/h at 1000m altitude: 7.2 secs

 

Engine: 1 x R-79M turbofan

Thrust: 18,143kg

 

Weight, Maximum: 24,970kg

Weight, Normal takeoff: 16-18,000kg 

Weight, empty: 12000kg

Internal fuel capacity: 8,300kg

Normal combat payload: 5000kg

Maximum combat payload: 8000kg

 

 

 

[Fubar512 1,350]

Interesting.  Reminds me of this little model by Russ.

 

 

 

 

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

Logan show our SU-37 also please!

[Emp_Palpatine 501]

Wow. That was not in Fighters Anthology!

[+Gepard 11,323]

 

In real world that AC was Sukhoi's S-37 project proposal, the one before the later famous S-37 Berkut.

 

The designation S-37, sometimes S-47, was only for internal use in OKB Sukhoi. S stands for "swept wing" while T stands for "delta wing". (Similar to the isdelije numbers of OKB Mikoyan.) It has nothing to do with later service designations. For instance the Su-27 was developed under the index T-10.

If i look to the Flounder, so it is rather a delta wing design, than a swept wing design. So i doubt, that it would have a "S-something" index. It would have had a "T-something" index.

 

For me the Flounder looks a little bit like a modified SAAB-39 Gripen.

 

In real life the Su-37 is one of the latest Su-27 versions which got the NATO Code: Flanker-F

 

 

The F-104N is not a Navy version of the Starfighter, but a NASA version of the F-104G. 3 F-104N were built.

 

If you want a carrierborn NAVY Starfighter. So the modding is simple. Add a tailhook and the line: CarrierBased=TRUE

and it should run.

Edited November 21, 2015 by Gepard

[ignacioc91 101]

Nice fighter!! It resembles a Su-27 merged with a Grippen

[+logan4 847]

Logan show our SU-37 also please!

Sure.

 

 

 

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Certainly Gepard, though on cyrilic sites I only found referring to it as "C-37". 

[+Gepard 11,323]

Cool bird. I like it!

[dsawan 624]

That's WIP for sf2?

 

 

cocas, on 21 Nov 2015 - 07:45, said:

Logan show our SU-37 also please!

Sure.
 

[+logan4 847]

Yes, dsawan. Few things to fix though. Unfortunately we do not have a dedicated cockpit for it so it will use a stand-in one for the time being.

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

just a beauty after you laid your hand on her......and thanks for the show off!

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

Looks realy nice! Like it 

 

Just an idea, round the front canopy bar abit more like the Su-27 one, so the pilot can look forward   it`s far to flat on the top 

[+logan4 847]

Actually, that is one of the few things to fine tune on them.

[+Coupi 4,394]

Yes, dsawan. Few things to fix though. Unfortunately we do not have a dedicated cockpit for it so it will use a stand-in one for the time being.

 

Hello,

 

The cockpit could be this beautiful one created by EYEYEY:

 

http://combatace.com/files/file/15045-modern-flanker-cockpit/

 

I like your project!!!

 

Coupi

[dsawan 624]

Logan, is there an eta for the sf2 release? No rush just curious.Thx.

[+Gepard 11,323]

Bump.

Hi Logan, is there a chance to release this bird?

[+logan4 847]

Yes, as soon I can get to wrap up the last few bits. I know its been extremely long , but had been busy with life and other projects that slipped up on the priority lane.

 

[+russouk2004 6,958]

On 7/22/2019 at 11:09 PM, logan4 said:

Yes, as soon I can get to wrap up the last few bits. I know its been extremely long , but had been busy with life and other projects that slipped up on the priority lane.

 

know the feeling...ive so much left do do after a break from it all..hard to remember what ive got