RED TAILS looks awesome! for me to poop on

[MAKO69 186]

My thoughts? no asked but.....

 

Looks pretty alright. The reason that everyone uses computers is because unlike BoB there aren't enough warbirds to go around anymore. Plus it costs a lot of money to operate warbirds, and then you get into repainting them, blah blah blah.....Yeah, it looks a little hokey, but damn it's a movie. Enjoy it.

 

That said, uh, didn't Gooding Jr. star in another movie about the Red Tails, and didn't die in said movie? A little weird lol, and while we're on that, isn't Terrence Howard in a POW camp with Bruce Willis??

 

~Rob

 

 

True, however; they could operate a few thunder mustangs, at a fraction of the cost in the air a 3/4 thunder stang looks just like its full size WW2 version.

Edited August 2, 2011 by MAKO69

[+hgbn 91]

Just one question is CGI not better than dubious stand ins?? I'm thinking like F-84F's instead of Migs. US tanks painted like German Tigers and so on.. I rather see a CGI then.

[column5 63]

This story has already been done in a great movie starring Laurence Fishburne:

 

The Tuskegee Airmen

[FalconC45 162]

Yea. That movie was really good. It really touched the racism side of the program.

 

Falcon

[Lexx_Luthor 57]

CGI is the only way. Sci-fi has proven models are best replaced by CGI. Another way of looking at this, is that Lucas is super-sizing his Dora and 262 manuevers, while JMS in making Babylon~5 bent over backwards to make "realistic" manuevers for his space ships and space fighters. However, I will say that even he faked a close visual range and slow relative speeds in space combat so the audience could easily *see* slow moving ships and fighters and their enemy at the same time.

 

The most realistic space combat sci-fi footage yet is the new BattleStar Galacita series. Very fast relative speeds over longer distances than your average sci-fi CGI, and so very short poor visual observing of the fights -- and with no sound in space -- which to me is exciting to see this for the first time, but to most it probably is not "engaging."

 

Best way to think about CGI is its central role in science fiction. If there is anything in history that looked science fiction, its was SAC under LeMay. A photo of the unreal suits they wore while flying B-47s proves the sci-fi Buck Rogers connection. 8th AAF had the same mission. So call it sci fi too, and CGI rules sci-fi. That's weird thinking but it all fits somehow.

 

Where you gonna find flying Me-262s? Oops, we didn't think of that. Flying B-17s are crashing and not flying anymore as we poast. Okay after the war they could roundup a dozen Spanish He-111s for that BoB movie, or 6 Corsairs for that 70's show. Today? No.

[Lexx_Luthor 57]

This story has already been done in a great movie starring Laurence Fishburne:

 

The Tuskegee Airmen

That was pretty good. I hope Lucas can make this a top seller mainstream story.

[+Major Lee 18]

I seriously doubt the ability of the Me262 to make a 180 deg roll in half a second under any circumstance... I have never read anything about the 262 being the least bit aerobatic, at least in relation to other fighters of the day. That said, flight realism aside, I wonder how "realistic" hollywood can make a movie centered around 1940s social issues, given their modern liberal anti-military stance on just about everything. At any rate, I'll see the movie before I judge the final product....

[Derk 265]

Where you gonna find flying Me-262s? Oops, we didn't think of that. Flying B-17s are crashing and not flying anymore as we poast. Okay after the war they could roundup a dozen Spanish He-111s for that BoB movie, or 6 Corsairs for that 70's show. Today? No.

 

Look here for the ME 262........... Replica, new built, J 85 engines, top condition (& of course VERY expensive)

 

and

 

 

http://www.stormbirds.com/project/general/updates.htm

 

For the rest I agree very much with Major Lee: see and comment later !!

 

Houdoe,

 

Derk

Edited August 3, 2011 by Derk

[+Stary 2,427]

naa, I like the trailer, I liked the original Tuskegee Airmen film, right now, the CGI is the way to go.

 

Exagerrated? Sure.

But the more aerial battles the better. What was last decent WW2 (or any dogfights conflict) depicted? Pearl Harbour? Flyboys? Red Baron? Of the three Red Baron was closest to actual "feel" of the air combat and flight in general IMO (mind you, I've only flown prop planes few times in RL as a cargo next to pilot) but was waay off historic-wise for story telling reasons.

 

Think of it, every new movie about fighters spawns new rookie flightsimmer somewhere

 

edit:

I can spot many things that seem off in the trailer (which is well, just a movie trailer with all the post-production going on right now, CGI including) from 262s camo to 103s tracers smoke shape, but how many of the actual viewers will notice, will be aware of that? Or we gather some 50+ million bucks and do our own vision of it? I can take the red shirt part

Edited August 3, 2011 by Stary

[JediMaster 451]

LOL, $50 million? That budget will get you a bunch of guys in uniforms standing around in a room TALKING about flying.

I'd guess this film is at least 2 if not 3 times that budget.

[+Stary 2,427]

green screen JM, green screen ;)

[JediMaster 451]

That's just it, that stuff is pricey.

[+Stary 2,427]

JM, I'm talking about community made flick, remember?

[macelena 1,070]

PLEASE DON´T TAKE ANYTHING OF THE FOLLOWING SERIOUSLY

 

Ok, i agree with the idea of a community flick. I will play the role of Mace Windu (i know that Samuel L Jackson is black, but see Tropic Thunder) flying P-51s (I´m done with those MFing Nazis in this MFing ETO!) by the name of Bad MFer.

 

As a Pin Up icon for the plane, i think we could use Katy Perry as my interracial lover. She already featured in a video about a WW2 veteran getting his wife to cheat on him before being KIA. We could just ask her, like a Marine did with Mila Kunis for the USMC ball. For the purpose of engaging the audience, i think we should include sex scenes of both of us, and for the shake of realism, do it porn style (again, my character)

 

Stary can play a member of the polish army in Cassino. I don´t remember seeing Pin Ups on Spitfires, so no need to another female actress. However, you can get Wojtek in a Free Willy style side story

 

Lexx, you are to be Elliot Ness, getting bankers on jail for using the war on their own benefit. Should be easy, pack them all up. You can choose the girl, i recommend Rihanna to keep it interracial.

 

Vic, you can be an exiled Korean commanding the Bombers. The same way as in Pearl Harbor, you get to do anything in the war, from bombing Ploesti to dropping the nukes in the end.

 

Dave, you are Le May. Period.

 

JM, you are Von Braun, i kill you with the propeller. Sorry

 

GrVyper, you are a Hero of the CCCP, you get Milla Jovovich, your poor Ukranian girlfriend caught in the middle of the fight.

 

Slarti, you are a SOE spy on Austria

 

Anyone else coming?

Edited August 3, 2011 by macelena

[+Stary 2,427]

PLEASE DON´T TAKE ANYTHING OF THE FOLLOWING SERIOUSLY

Surely, let's roll

Stary can play a member of the polish army in Cassino. I don´t remember seeing Pin Ups on Spitfires, so no need to another female actress. However, you can get Wojtek in a Free Willy style side story\

 

Umm... I'm screwed then... Ok, I can be the A-36 pilot that sacrifices in the middle for no reason. Epic Michael Bay music, me down in flames, and a flashback of me and my Grandpa (WW1 Austro-Hungarian NCO vet in RL!) at sunset (M.Bay style!!!)

 

No scenes with Wojtek!!! Bears scare the sh*t out of me, aswell as dogs...

 

Lexx, you are to be Elliot Ness, getting bankers on jail for using the war on their own benefit. Should be easy, pack them all up. You can choose the girl, i recommend Rihanna to keep it interracial.

 

The accent... ok, it's midwar story, he's good character, ends up proposing to Rihanna... I like it!

Vic, you can be an exiled Korean commanding the Bombers. The same way as in Pearl Harbor, you get to do anything in the war, from bombing Ploesti to dropping the nukes in the end.

May we develop Vic as a funny comedy relief in this? As in "Oh s**t I dropped one!"? Blake Edwards style?

(sorry Harold!)

Dave, you are Le May. Period.

Dot!

JM, you are Von Braun, i kill you with the propeller. Sorry

"Based on true events" my a*s... We develop JM's character into torn-inside-out by his morality and the oatch one... He screams "Noooooooooo!" with all the V-2s (it's in the States, post war) blowing up in the background, again, sunset... Then you stab him with a paperclip...

GrVyper, you are a Hero of the CCCP, you get Milla Jovovich, your poor Ukranian girlfriend caught in the middle of the fight.

Can I take the sex scene? He's not home, you know...

Slarti, you are a SOE spy on Austria

He lives? Or we go Tarantino?

 

[+Dave 2,322]

Dave, you are Le May. Period.

Anyone else coming?

 

Where do I get tickets to this movie? This sounds a hell of alot better.

[+Jug 99]

You guys crack me up. I'll be Richard Bong and take you all with my lightning decorated with Marge (Nicole Kidman). Sex scene has to be approved by the wife.

[+Stary 2,427]

No frontal nudity scenes on your part then :(

 

Shame, I just envisioned Kidman on the Lightning... and that was nice thought

(have a thing for redheads)

[+Dave 2,322]

This movie is rated R until wives see it. Then will be reduced to rated G. Bambi not included.....

[macelena 1,070]

Then you stab him with a paperclip...

 

Can I take the sex scene? He's not home, you know...

 

 

I don´t stab with a paperclip...i kill, disembowel with a paperclip. And no, i said you get no sex scene. Think of your girl.

 

You guys crack me up. I'll be Richard Bong and take you all with my lightning decorated with Marge (Nicole Kidman). Sex scene has to be approved by the wife.

 

 

I already thought of such kind of scene. Pearl harbor style, in the parachute yard. Then some poor pilot gets his parachute sticky because of human remains left on his silk and falls to his doom. Stary´s parachute, maybe.

 

This movie is rated R until wives see it. Then will be reduced to rated G. Bambi not included.....

 

Rated R means the boys need their parents to take them the theater, wich means more tickets. We gotta pay for part 2, Korean War. It´s been too long since any Korean War film.

Edited August 4, 2011 by macelena

[Lexx_Luthor 57]

Dave... smoking cigars? ~~>

 

--

 

Lexx, you are to be Elliot Ness, getting bankers on jail for using the war on their own benefit. Should be easy, pack them all up. You can choose the girl, i recommend Rihanna to keep it interracial.

^^fixed

 

I'll play Eliot Spitzer. Wall Street was under NY AG Spitzer's jurisdiction. He didn't play well with Wall Street. But he played alot with high polygon call girls.

 

Okay I'm in.

[FastCargo 412]

Vic, you can be an exiled Korean commanding the Bombers. The same way as in Pearl Harbor, you get to do anything in the war, from bombing Ploesti to dropping the nukes in the end.

 

Love it!

 

Or, how about a scene from going through training...a story from "Phantom Over Vietnam" by John Trotti.

 

There is an "old-timer" tale in the training command about a Navy lieutenant junior grade with a penchant for becoming highly agitated in the air, often venting his frustrations over the radio. Students were terrified to fly with him, and his fellow instructors were getting so tired of the streams of vituperation that poured forth over the headsets day after day that finally a group decided to take matters into their own hands. When it came time to embark on a four-plane formation flight, instructors rather than students manned the cockpits.

 

As the airplanes taxied away from the flight line, instructors, students, and all the off-duty squadron personnel in the area crowded around the ready-room base radio to listen in on the fun. They hadn't long to wait. Immediately after takeoff, the flight switched onto its assigned tactical frequency in preparation for the initial flight rendezvous, but instead of making orderly, stabilized approaches towards the instructor's plane, they took turns making kamikaze runs from all directions and in all attitudes. The airwaves were alive with graphic epithets.

 

"What are you doing? . . . You're too hot! Wave it off! Wave it off! Watch your angle-off, Dash Three. Don't let it . . . don't . . . oh God, he's inverted! Dash Three's making an inverted rendezvous! You can't do that!"

 

And finally after ten minutes of screaming came pleading and swearing: "Go home, you miserable bastards, go home! You've all got downs! I'll get you all washed out of the program unless . . . ohhhhh sheeeit, HERE THEY COME AGAIN!"

 

The instructor came roaring into the ready room, eyes ablaze, set to skin a bunch of students alive, only to be greeted with the loud guffaws that accompanied the first of hundreds of replays of the tape. Realizing that he'd been had, our erstwhile hero fled from the ready room in full retreat.

 

Or this one...

 

There is a legend floating around from the days of the mighty North American SNJ trainer about the instructor who loved to detach his control stick in the rear cockpit (a normal procedure for cross-country flights to ensure against its becoming hung up during flight), and after rapping the student on the head with it for added emphasis, would toss the stick overboard to signify that it was up to the student to take them home and land. One day, a student sneaked a spare control pole aboard so that when the instructor did his thing, the student mimed puzzlement before nodding his head in understanding. After several more moments of apparent indecision he proceeded to fumble around for a bit, before brandishing the spare stick aloft and sending it to join its cousin.

 

FC

[+hgbn 91]

The instructor on the SNJ must have been a bit pale when the student tossed the extra stick out of the greenhouse

[FalconC45 162]

I could play as Douglas Badger <think that's his last name> type character. The real one was a double leg aputee that flew in ETO. Was shot down and once the word was out about him being disabled, Galland himself met up with him in a german pow camp. Rumors stated that Galland allowed Douglas to fly a 109 and made a promise to send new wooden legs for Doug.

 

Falcon

[macelena 1,070]

I could play as Douglas Badger <think that's his last name> type character. The real one was a double leg aputee that flew in ETO. Was shot down and once the word was out about him being disabled, Galland himself met up with him in a german pow camp. Rumors stated that Galland allowed Douglas to fly a 109 and made a promise to send new wooden legs for Doug.

 

Falcon

 

I think it was Bader, and most of what you say is true. However, i doubt they would have let him fly a 109, since even impaired, he did all he could to escape, being sent to Colditz, the Nazi Alcatraz. Should he have got his hands on a 109, it would have been very bad for the Germans