F-86H (HOG)

[+Zurawski 33]

loadouts can be "turned on" via a year activation switch in the loadout inis in SF2 nowadays

 

example:

 

[AirToAir]

Loadout[01].WeaponType=Tank_f86

Loadout[01].Quantity=1

Loadout[02].WeaponType=Tank_f86

Loadout[02].Quantity=1

 

[AirToAir_62]

StartDefaultDate=1962

DefaultFor=CAP,SWEEP,INTERCEPT

Loadout[01].WeaponType=Tank_f86

Loadout[01].Quantity=1

Loadout[02].WeaponType=Tank_f86

Loadout[02].Quantity=1

Loadout[05].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[05].Quantity=1

Loadout[06].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[06].Quantity=1

 

Sweet baby Jane...

 

I feel like I've been living under a rock for a year! Since I've started this project again I've discovered more stuff that I don't know versus what I do!

 

This will definitely come in handy!

[Wrench 9,797]

anything to help!!

 

that's actually from the F-86F-40

Edited December 4, 2011 by Wrench

[Lexx_Luthor 57]

Zur, NAVY sneaked early sidewinders on Formosan F-86Frederichs back in 1958, so following their war winning example, you can do anything you want. So effective were the IR missiles at high level where MiGs traditionally ruled, the Chinese didn't want to fight F-86s after that, high or low.

 

I have struggled with using "H" for escort in my game. It would need Fury~esque air refuel, but I have a tendency to want to ignore anything "sabre" just to be different, and go all out on the Republics. LeMay seemed to prefer the F-84, even at the cost of B-29 crews in the lab "test tube" in Korea, or so goes my interpretation of why LeMay insisted F-84s be used for escorts -- to test them.

[+Gepard 11,170]

Lexx, there were not enough Sabres at this time, so Le May used the Thunderjet. Not because he loved this bird, or wanted to test it, but because he had not had a better choice. When the Sabre came to Korea it came in to small numbers. The F-86 was needed for continental defence and for the forces in Europe much more than in Korea.

[Lexx_Luthor 57]

You may be right, but its not what I gathered. Even when Sabres were there, LeMay *seemed* to insist on F-84s according to one source. My interpretation of that is my own however.

 

lemmee see if I can find more...

[Lexx_Luthor 57]

Zur, found this...Joe Baugher, under F-100D...

 

Provision for the installation of a quartet of GAR-8 (later designated AIM-9B) Sidewinder air-to-air infrared homing missiles was introduced on the production line with the 184th F-100D. Air-to-air missile armament had initially been tested on six modified F-100Cs.

 

That 184th Dora I'm guessing was on the floor early 57, so there was no reluctance to use NAVY missiles when there were no alternatives. Shucks the Air Force and NAVY eagerly shared jet engines.

 

If you need to *see* it, at Nellis super air base, 1959, there's a Dora firing off what looks like a Sidewinder at a rocket target fired seconds earlier. Pretty smooth.

 

 

Right now, I'm thinking that Falcons might have been a better close-in missile, but *only* if mated with the airplane at the factory, during manufacture (ie...designed for it) -- see Gums here, and page 2 of that thread for more Gums. Dunno.

 

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Thanks again to MiGbuster for alerting me to that f16 site.

[+Dave 2,322]

Lexx

 

What an awesome find. Wow I would of loved to have been in the Air Force in 1959.

[Lexx_Luthor 57]

Dave::

Wow I would of loved to have been in the Air Force in 1959.

 

Somehow, I know. Reading the stories of the olde hands back then, just another world kinda.

 

Well do more interviews, before they are all gone! (the souls, not the machines)

 

I always tell myself I'd love to interview PVO pilots from that era, before they are all gone, but never learned the Russian, and not in a position right now anyways, but.... Another one I always thought would be neat to poke around about would be Pacific island natives during the Japanese occupation. Become a historian, never thought about it before.

[Bravo2009 2]

@Lexx - Great video, I remember it was once featured on a military show that was narrated by Gerald McRaney, I think it was called Brute Force? For a while it was also narrated by George C Scott

 

Edit: It was called Weapons at War

Edited December 5, 2011 by Bravo2009

[+SidDogg 130]

Zur, found this...Joe Baugher, under F-100D...

 

Provision for the installation of a quartet of GAR-8 (later designated AIM-9B) Sidewinder air-to-air infrared homing missiles was introduced on the production line with the 184th F-100D. Air-to-air missile armament had initially been tested on six modified F-100Cs.

 

That 184th Dora I'm guessing was on the floor early 57, so there was no reluctance to use NAVY missiles when there were no alternatives. Shucks the Air Force and NAVY eagerly shared jet engines.

 

If you need to *see* it, at Nellis super air base, 1959, there's a Dora firing off what looks like a Sidewinder at a rocket target fired seconds earlier. Pretty smooth.

 

 

Right now, I'm thinking that Falcons might have been a better close-in missile, but *only* if mated with the airplane at the factory, during manufacture (ie...designed for it) -- see Gums here, and page 2 of that thread for more Gums. Dunno.

 

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Thanks again to MiGbuster for alerting me to that f16 site.

 

Thank You!

 

I appreciated that very much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

SidDogg

[Lexx_Luthor 57]

Thanks fellas.

 

 

Dave, how does making 5000$ a year sound like? I suppose the 19 and 26+1/2 are age requirements (no sound on my computer).

 

Embedding is disabled on this one, so click the watch on youtube thing.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15SmdiYQFOg

Edited December 6, 2011 by Lexx_Luthor

[ColStafford 2]

Hell...

 

Might as well give ya'll something to look at while we discuss this mother!

 

Still trying to get affirmation on whether or not this thing ever mounted rails and carried Winders...

 

 

 

 

 

what version of the F-86H are you planning on building?

[+Zurawski 33]

what version of the F-86H are you planning on building?

 

While I know there are purists who like to see all dash iterations... I'm only modelling the -10. The -10 had the largest contract run at 300 and effectively was the height of the H model as far as I can determine.

[dsawan 624]

Any news on this one?

[Wrench 9,797]

let's see here... lets do the math...

 

last post was December 2011, and it's almost July 2014......

 

... carry the 6, divide by 3.14159,......

 

I'd say none

 

[NIELS 420]

From book 'Air Force Legends Number 212' North American F-86H SABRE "HOG". Very info rich book regarding the 'H', many pic's, history, data, etc.

 

Hope this helps and I can provide more info if needed.

 

Included some stuff on the 'Winder', USAF units, and Fgtr Bomber info.

Edited June 30, 2014 by NIELS

[+Zurawski 33]

Any news on this one?

 

 

let's see here... lets do the math...

 

last post was December 2011, and it's almost July 2014......

 

... carry the 6, divide by 3.14159,......

 

I'd say none

 

 

Sadly guys this birds been languishing in a beige folder out of pure unadulterated lack of ambition...

 

I've got LOD 1 all done and after a HD crash and recovery (Yes, I backed up thank God) I just lost all interest in modelling...  Hell, I never even re-installed MAX.

 

I'd like to say I'm bound and determined to get it going again but I'm also a realist and I know where my interest level lies... sorry.

 

That said, if anyone is interested in picking up the torch and carrying it the rest of the way... PM me and I'll be more than happy to share the files with you.

 

I love the bird and it quite honestly is a freaking beautiful model and I'd hate to not see it graces the skies.

[dsawan 624]

Hi, yes if someone can pick it up that would be good. wish i could but RL gets in way

[+Zurawski 33]

 

  

 

[Fubar512 1,350]

Interesting read:

 

The first two F-86Hs were built in California. The first F-86H made its maiden flight on April 30, 1953, piloted by Joseph Lynch. It carried no armament, and was fitted with the standard Sabre slatted wing. By the time it was sent to Edwards AFB for tests in October, it had the "6-3" wing of the later F-86F. In December, it returned to Edwards with slatted wings. The vertical tail assembly was 3 inches taller and wider through the chord, but had a smaller rudder. The horizontal tail surfaces were changed from the "all-flying" design with a split stabilizer and elevator to a single all-flying tail design. Initially, the design was to have the old-style slatted wing without the "6-3" extension.

 

The 15th F-86H-1-NH was fitted with the "6-3" wing of the later F-86F, with extended wing tips and wing fences. Wing span was increased from 37.12 feet to 39.1 feet and wing area rose to 313.4 square feet.

 

The F-86H-5-NH, which appeared in January of 1955, introduced an armament of four 20-mm M-39 cannon. The M-39 was formerly known as the T-160, which was first tested in Korea. These guns weighed 286 pounds more than previous Sabre gun installations, but packed a lot more punch. Ammunition supply was limited to only 600 rounds, which was only about six seconds of firing time. The last of 60 F-86H-5-NH was delivered in February of 1955.

 

In the meantime, on June 11, 1953 the USAF approved an additional contract (NA-203) for 300 F-86H-10-NHs. These differed from earlier F-86Hs primarily in having different electronic equipment and in having the J73-GE-3E engine. The first aircraft was delivered in January of 1955, and the last aircraft on the order was delivered in April of 1956. The last ten H-10s used the so-called "F-40" wing, with extended wingtips and slats on the extended leading edge, which improved low-speed handling. Eventually, all of the remaining Hs in the USAF and ANG inventories were retrofitted with the "F-40" wing.

[Wrench 9,797]

Zur, you know, as a Modder, you can upload the Max files and any other source material (skins, templates, uvmaps, etc) to the Modders Depository

 

It's a secure area of the site, ONLY accessable to modders

[Stratos 3,188]

Is slightly different to F Sabres right? I mean the fuselage looks stubbier.

[+Zurawski 33]

Zur, you know, as a Modder, you can upload the Max files and any other source material (skins, templates, uvmaps, etc) to the Modders Depository

 

It's a secure area of the site, ONLY accessable to modders

Actually..  No I didn't.  (Show's how much I pay attention these days)  I'll get this thing packaged up and I'll throw it on there with hopes that one of these young-bucks (Be that literally or figuratively) takes the girl to the dance...

 

Thanks bud!

Is slightly different to F Sabres right? I mean the fuselage looks stubbier.

Actually it's slightly longer but also is thicker vertically in the fuselage (to accommodate the bigger engine) thus the "beefier" profile.

Edited June 30, 2014 by Zurawski

[+whiteknight06604 934]

"

Actually..  No I didn't.  (Show's how much I pay attention these days)  I'll get this thing packaged up and I'll throw it on there with hopes that one of these young-bucks (Be that literally or figuratively) takes the girl to the dance...

 

Thanks bud!"

 

 

you are my hero.

[+Coupi 4,379]

I didn't know this "H" version! I dream it... for SF2! Best regards.