murad 1 Posted June 23, 2012 Still getting mixed reports here as to whether the crew have been picked up, anyone able to confirm? Craig no official report so far except that sar is going on. if i have to bet , i'd bet on an israeli sub picking em up - wouldn't be that unusual around here... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icarus999 70 Posted June 23, 2012 ATS sources say pilots didn't have time to bail out..? I read this morning that both crew members were in good shape. Perhaps this story is as they say "evolving". Syrians really screwed up big time! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SayethWhaaaa 245 Posted June 23, 2012 The Syrians screwed up when they started killing their own people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+JonathanRL 973 Posted June 23, 2012 http://combatace.com/topic/73480-turkish-f-4-down-on-the-border-with-syria/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aarow 0 Posted June 23, 2012 Also still no information that, it was an air to air interception. Looks like our plane shot down with Syrian air defence batteries. Hoped that crew was alive so the tension would not get any worse.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canadair 16 Posted June 23, 2012 I know many people from Tuk Hava Kuvetleri. I hope the pilots are rescued and are well. And I hope situation won't escalate of course. But I am hopeful. In general turkish nation is proud and strong, but it is also a peace-loving and reasonable country. They will not take any s**t from anyone, but they are not warmongers either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JediMaster 451 Posted June 23, 2012 no official report so far except that sar is going on. if i have to bet , i'd bet on an israeli sub picking em up - wouldn't be that unusual around here... Years ago I'd have agreed with you. More recently, though, things have soured to the point that I'm not sure. While I doubt Israel would refuse to do it, I could see there being a long delay in such a thing getting approved to the point that the crew would already be captured or rescued otherwise before it could happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murad 1 Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) Years ago I'd have agreed with you. More recently, though, things have soured to the point that I'm not sure. While I doubt Israel would refuse to do it, I could see there being a long delay in such a thing getting approved to the point that the crew would already be captured or rescued otherwise before it could happen. i'd call you are wrong there. there is nothing sour and everything is going by the grand plan if you get what i mean - smoke and mirrors. i sometimes envy the american public, i really do... :) regarding the pilots, there are many reports on the news outlets that both are found and rescued etc. since the event occured yesterday however none of these reports are verified so far. Edited June 23, 2012 by murad 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+guyran 12 Posted June 24, 2012 BTW 54 of Turkish F-4׳s were improved in the 90's by IAI. The missing F-4 may be one of those. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+PureBlue 71 Posted June 24, 2012 It was an RF-4E of which the pilots are still Mia Unfortunetly. Turkish foreign minister announced plane was 13 miles outside of syrian waters which is considered int. waters. Syrians say it was shot down 1 km inside... Stil int. law dictates warning and other actions before shooting afaik. Aircraft was of 173.filo recce from Malatya. Turkish side flies similar routes regularly, feet wet over Iskenderun on sw course turning back over cyprus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UK_Widowmaker 571 Posted June 24, 2012 They're now accusing the two Turkish Crew members of being 'Terrorists' (Assad has totally lost the plot) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+hgbn 91 Posted June 24, 2012 I think NATO should consider this unprovoked attack the ticket to intervene and get rid of Assad and his regime without having to deal through UN. It would be a golden opportunity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+hgbn 91 Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) Just read in the Danish news that Turkey is taking the incident up in NATO. So there might be a respond from NATO. Also BBC reports this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18568207 Edited June 24, 2012 by hgbn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eraser_tr 29 Posted June 24, 2012 I've heard the Turks are actually taking this up with NATO, anyone over there know anything? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+hgbn 91 Posted June 24, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18568207 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Brain32 265 Posted June 24, 2012 This is very bad news, it seems the flight was Operation Archduke Ferdinand. Seeing how reports say Turkey asked for the NATO meeting on the basis of article 4 of the NATO agreement this might very well be an attempt to circumvent UN protocols and conventions which considering Russian direct and Chinese political involvement and in light of Middle East situation which is all but stable might be potentially VERY dangerous. I don't see this as justification for NATO intervention AT ALL and I must say I'm surprised with the ease some people would attack Syria on such incredibly shaky grounds with opposing reports coming from all over the world on a daily basis on alleged or not massacres, foreign involvement and general nature of confrontations in this Syrian sh**fest. Furthermore, I think Europe (because Americans really don't have to care much with both the fan and the manure being thousands of miles away) reacted extremely poorly to he whole "Arabian Spring" idea, it's impact, meaning, implications and potential complications in the future. Let's get real my dear fellow Europeans, this sh*t is right at our doorstep and it's not like we don't have enough of other problems to deal with as it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+hgbn 91 Posted June 24, 2012 You're right that this s**t happens right at our doorstep. Syrians has crossed a line which they shouldn't had done in the first place. So any retaliation done in this case, peaceful or military is something the Syrians had put on themselves. They seed the wind and can now harvest the storm. I don't see any difference whatsoever in the Syrian regime and that there was in Libya. Both had/have none respect of human life whatsoever. In my book the response is long overdue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Julhelm 266 Posted June 24, 2012 So people are all for NATO bombing away Assad so he can be replaced with whatever Islamists/Al Quaida are posing as "freedom fighters", like in Libya. Yeah, that's progress alright. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+hgbn 91 Posted June 24, 2012 Isn't Assad already not considered a Islamist/ Al Quaida supporter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Julhelm 266 Posted June 24, 2012 About as Islamist as Khaddafi was, duh. I always thought NATO was about opposing the Russians, not replacing secular tinpot dictators with islamist nutters who will bring terror to us europeans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+hgbn 91 Posted June 24, 2012 It was the very same excuse Gaddafi used to stay in power. Claiming that people who wanted Democracy was in fact Al- Quaida Terrorist just so he could oppress them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UK_Widowmaker 571 Posted June 24, 2012 Well, looks like Turkey is taking a 'softly, softly approach (at least at the minute) If that had been a USAF jet...the Marines woulda been sent in already!....but, it appears that ain't going to happen with NATO or Turkey at the min Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Julhelm 266 Posted June 24, 2012 It was the very same excuse Gaddafi used to stay in power. Claiming that people who wanted Democracy was in fact Al- Quaida Terrorist just so he could oppress them? Well as it turned out they were so your point is? Apparently western people think that with arabs "We want DEMOCRACY" means "We want to be like Americans" whereas in reality it is "We want ISLAMISM and to bomb the f*** out of teh JEWS". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+hgbn 91 Posted June 24, 2012 Well as it turned out they were so your point is? Apparently western people think that with arabs "We want DEMOCRACY" means "We want to be like Americans" whereas in reality it is "We want ISLAMISM and to bomb the f*** out of teh JEWS". Prove it!! Or is you saying that all Muslims is per definition = Islamic fundamentalists?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+daddyairplanes 8,635 Posted June 24, 2012 guys can we take it down a notch here? last check the thread is on the downed aircrew, not the politics of the whole global war on terror/ democracy(pick your side and keep quiet please!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
