+dtmdragon Posted March 10, 2020 Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) EDIT: These INI edits below have now been superceded by a full download package available here: For those of you who have made the Third Wire MiG-23MLD flyable or just want the AI flown one more accurate here are some corrections for the MIG-23MLD_DATA.ini file. Leading edge flaps changed to automatically deploy during hard maneuvers (aka slats), the MLD had automatically deploying LE flaps/slats as part of the type 4 wing (which also changed the mid setting wing angle from 45 to 33 degrees): [LELeftFlap1] SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE CLiftdc=-0.0220 CDdc=0.0018 Cmdc=-0.0007 DeltaStallAlpha=0.28 AreaRatio=1.000 DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_ANGLE_OF_ATTACK DeployWithFlaps=TRUE Setting[1].Angle=20.0 Setting[1].DeployValue=10.0 Setting[1].RetractValue=6.5 MaxDeflection=20.0 MinDeflection=0.0 ControlRate=0.2 AnimationID= ModelNodeName= [LERightFlap1] SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE CLiftdc=-0.0220 CDdc=0.0018 Cmdc=-0.0007 DeltaStallAlpha=0.28 AreaRatio=1.000 DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_ANGLE_OF_ATTACK DeployWithFlaps=TRUE Setting[1].Angle=20.0 Setting[1].DeployValue=10.0 Setting[1].RetractValue=6.5 MaxDeflection=20.0 MinDeflection=0.0 ControlRate=0.2 AnimationID= ModelNodeName= [LELeftFlap2] SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE CLiftdc=-0.0305 CDdc=0.0032 Cmdc=0.0002 DeltaStallAlpha=0.24 AreaRatio=1.000 DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_ANGLE_OF_ATTACK DeployWithFlaps=TRUE Setting[1].Angle=20.0 Setting[1].DeployValue=10.0 Setting[1].RetractValue=6.5 MaxDeflection=20.0 MinDeflection=0.0 ControlRate=0.2 AnimationID= ModelNodeName= [LERightFlap2] SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE CLiftdc=-0.0305 CDdc=0.0032 Cmdc=0.0002 DeltaStallAlpha=0.24 AreaRatio=1.000 DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_ANGLE_OF_ATTACK DeployWithFlaps=TRUE Setting[1].Angle=20.0 Setting[1].DeployValue=10.0 Setting[1].RetractValue=6.5 MaxDeflection=20.0 MinDeflection=0.0 ControlRate=0.2 AnimationID= ModelNodeName= Radar upgraded to the S-23MLA-II: [DetectSystem] Name=S-23MLA-II RadarType=AIR_INTERCEPT RadarFamilyName=HighLark RangeUnit=KM RadarAzimuthLimit=56 RadarElevationLimit=42 RadarSearchTime=1.2 RadarSearchRange=75 RadarSearchStrength=100 RadarTrackTime=3.5 RadarTrackRange=60 RadarTrackStrength=100 DopplerLookdown=TRUE RadarSearchFreq=10.5 RadarTrackFreq=10.5 RadarMissileGuidanceFreq=10.5 RadarSearchCW=FALSE RadarTrackCW=FALSE RadarMissileGuidanceCW=TRUE KDS-23 countermeasure dispenser installed in center line drop tank pylon, drop tank had to be jettisoned first! Pressing the 'jettison droptank' button a second time armed the pylon dispenser on the real aircraft: [Fuselage] SystemName[019]=FlareDispenser3 [CenterlineStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=5 StationGroupID=4 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=0.0,0.42,-0.79 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=500 AllowedWeaponClass=FT AttachmentType=WP ModelNodeName= ///ModelNodeName=Centerline_Pylon PylonMass=40 PylonDragArea=0.02 FuelTankName=Tank800_MiG23C [FlareDispenser3] Name=KDS-23 SystemType=DECOY_DISPENSER EjectPosition= 0.0,0.42,-0.79 EjectVelocity= 0.0,0.0,-13.88 NumChaff=6 NumFlare=6 If you have the MLD flyable here are the radar corrections for the MIG-23MLD_AVIONICS.INI file from the SF2 MiG-23MF/ML/MLD cockpit available at CA by Stary: [RadarData] AvailableModes=SEARCH,STT,ACM RangeUnit=KM RangeSetting[1]=15 RangeSetting[2]=30 RangeSetting[3]=60 RangeSetting[4]=90 RangeSetting[5]=9 RadarPosition= MaxElevationAngle=57 MinElevationAngle=-42 MaxAzimuthAngle=56 MinAltitude=50.0 MinReturn=0.1 MinimumSpeed=50.00 SearchRange=75 SearchStrength=100 SearchTargetTime=1.2 AcquisitionSymbolSpeed=0.5 AcquisitionTime=3.5 AcquisitionResetPosX=0.5 AcquisitionResetPosY=0.45 AcquisitionResetTime=5.0 TrackRange=60 TrackStrength=100 TWSUpdateTime=0.5 DisplayLimitLeft=29 DisplayLimitRight=226 DisplayLimitTop=29 DisplayLimitBottom=226 [RadarDisplaySearch] RangeSetting=1,2,3,4 BarElevation[1]=1.50 BarElevation[2]=0.50 BarElevation[3]=-0.50 BarElevation[4]=-1.50 ScanRate=120 ScanBeamAngle=2.5 //ScanArc=40 ScanArc=60 PPI=FALSE Symbol[01]=HorizonLine Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText Symbol[03]=ElevationCaret Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret Symbol[05]=AcquisitionSymbol Symbol[06]=TargetSearch [RadarDisplaySTT] RangeSetting=1,2,3,4 ScanBeamAngle=2.5 ScanArc=6 PPI=FALSE Symbol[01]=LockLine Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText Symbol[03]=ElevationCaret Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret Symbol[05]=TargetPDT Symbol[06]=//TargetTAS Symbol[07]=//TargetAspect Symbol[08]=//TargetHeading Symbol[09]=TargetRangeCaret Symbol[10]=//TargetAltitude Symbol[11]=//TargetClosure Symbol[12]=AimDot Symbol[13]=ASECircle Symbol[14]=ShootCueSTT Symbol[15]=BreakX Symbol[16]=RMinCaret Symbol[17]=RMaxCaret Symbol[18]=HorizonLine [RadarDisplayACM] RangeSetting=5 ScanBeamAngle=5.0 Symbol[01]=HorizonLine Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText Symbol[03]= Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret Edited March 15, 2020 by dtmdragon 10 Quote
KJakker Posted March 10, 2020 Posted March 10, 2020 Recommend a slight change to the Avionics settings. This fixes the order of the radar range settings from lowest to highest while still starting radar range at 15 KM and keeping ACM restricted to setting 1 at 9 KM. [RadarData] AvailableModes=SEARCH,STT,ACM RangeUnit=KM RangeSetting[1]=9 RangeSetting[2]=15 RangeSetting[3]=30 RangeSetting[4]=60 RangeSetting[5]=90 RadarPosition= MaxElevationAngle=57 MinElevationAngle=-42 MaxAzimuthAngle=56 MinAltitude=50.0 MinReturn=0.1 MinimumSpeed=50.0 SearchRange=75 SearchStrength=100 SearchTargetTime=1.2 AcquisitionSymbolSpeed=0.5 AcquisitionTime=3.5 AcquisitionResetPosX=0.5 AcquisitionResetPosY=0.45 AcquisitionResetTime=5.0 TrackRange=60 TrackStrength=100 TWSUpdateTime=0.5 DisplayLimitLeft=29 DisplayLimitRight=226 DisplayLimitTop=29 DisplayLimitBottom=226 StartRangeSetting=2 [RadarDisplaySearch] RangeSetting=1,2,3,4,5 BarElevation[1]=1.50 BarElevation[2]=0.50 BarElevation[3]=-0.50 BarElevation[4]=-1.50 ScanRate=120 ScanBeamAngle=2.5 //ScanArc=40 ScanArc=60 PPI=FALSE Symbol[01]=HorizonLine Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText Symbol[03]=ElevationCaret Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret Symbol[05]=AcquisitionSymbol Symbol[06]=TargetSearch [RadarDisplaySTT] RangeSetting=1,2,3,4,5 ScanBeamAngle=2.5 ScanArc=6 PPI=FALSE Symbol[01]=LockLine Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText Symbol[03]=ElevationCaret Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret Symbol[05]=TargetPDT Symbol[06]=//TargetTAS Symbol[07]=//TargetAspect Symbol[08]=//TargetHeading Symbol[09]=TargetRangeCaret Symbol[10]=//TargetAltitude Symbol[11]=//TargetClosure Symbol[12]=AimDot Symbol[13]=ASECircle Symbol[14]=ShootCueSTT Symbol[15]=BreakX Symbol[16]=RMinCaret Symbol[17]=RMaxCaret Symbol[18]=HorizonLine [RadarDisplayACM] RangeSetting=1 ScanBeamAngle=5.0 Symbol[01]=HorizonLine Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText Symbol[03]= Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret 1 Quote
Stratos Posted March 10, 2020 Posted March 10, 2020 I installed the FM and radar updates, but regarding the chaff/flares, does not the MLD carry the chaff and flares over the fuselage? Quote
KJakker Posted March 10, 2020 Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) Found another issue. [SwingWingAnimation] SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_MACH FullyDeployOnGround=TRUE Setting[1].Angle=36.0 Setting[1].DeployValue=0.80 Setting[1].RetractValue=0.85 Setting[2].Angle=56.0 Setting[2].DeployValue=0.40 Setting[2].RetractValue=0.45 MaxDeflection=56.0 MinDeflection=0.0 ControlRate=0.25 AnimationID=10 <------------------------------ Wrong AnimationID number in the stock data file. According to Mue's LODViewer this should be animation number 1. Disregard, I was looking at the wrong LOD file. Edited March 10, 2020 by KJakker Quote
stuntman Posted March 10, 2020 Posted March 10, 2020 Dmtdragon, will you release the skins you posted in the screenshot section? Quote
+dtmdragon Posted March 10, 2020 Author Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Stratos said: I installed the FM and radar updates, but regarding the chaff/flares, does not the MLD carry the chaff and flares over the fuselage? Yes it did, the pylon dispenser was an additional one that was installed around the time they deployed to Afganistan. I believe in Afganistan full loads of just flares were carried in all three dispensers since MANPADS were the main threat. But the pylon dispenser like the over fuselage ones could carry chaff or a mix of both. Edited March 10, 2020 by dtmdragon 1 Quote
+dtmdragon Posted March 10, 2020 Author Posted March 10, 2020 41 minutes ago, KJakker said: Found another issue. [SwingWingAnimation] SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_MACH FullyDeployOnGround=TRUE Setting[1].Angle=36.0 Setting[1].DeployValue=0.80 Setting[1].RetractValue=0.85 Setting[2].Angle=56.0 Setting[2].DeployValue=0.40 Setting[2].RetractValue=0.45 MaxDeflection=56.0 MinDeflection=0.0 ControlRate=0.25 AnimationID=10 <------------------------------ Wrong AnimationID number in the stock data file. According to Mue's LODViewer this should be animation number 1. The wings swing so the lod viewer must be wrong??? Quote
KJakker Posted March 10, 2020 Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) Just looked at a Mig-23 manual and wing sweep settings are 16, 45, and 72 degrees. @dtmdragon said that the Mig-23MLD changed this which implies a change to 16, 33, and 72 degrees. Would this fix the issue? [SwingWingAnimation] SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_MACH FullyDeployOnGround=TRUE Setting[1].Angle=16.0 Setting[1].DeployValue=0.80 Setting[1].RetractValue=0.85 Setting[2].Angle=33.0 Setting[2].DeployValue=0.60 Setting[2].RetractValue=0.65 Setting[3].Angle=72.0 Setting[3].DeployValue=0.40 Setting[3].RetractValue=0.45 MaxDeflection=72.0 MinDeflection=0.0 ControlRate=0.25 AnimationID=1 Edited March 10, 2020 by KJakker Quote
+dtmdragon Posted March 10, 2020 Author Posted March 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, stuntman said: Dmtdragon, will you release the skins you posted in the screenshot section? Can do in a week or two Quote
KJakker Posted March 10, 2020 Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, dtmdragon said: The wings swing so the lod viewer must be wrong??? AnimationID=1 is the wing sweep. AnimationID=3 is the speed breaks. AnimationID=4 is the landing gears. AnimationID=5 is the left main gear shocks. AnimationID=6 is the right main gear shocks. AnimationID=7 is the nose gear shocks. AnimationID=8 is the canopy. AnimationID=9 is the drag chute. AnimationID=10 is the engine nozzle. I could also work on fixing the hit boxes if you want. They are off on just about all of the TW AIrcraft. I was working on a fix for all TW Aircraft and Ground Objects but got distracted from completing it. Edited March 10, 2020 by KJakker Referenced wrong LOD file. Quote
Svetlin Posted March 10, 2020 Posted March 10, 2020 Not in my install, KJakker. Are you sure you are looking at the stock MiG-23MLD? In my install the MiG-23MLD does not have engine nozzle animation. Quote
+dtmdragon Posted March 10, 2020 Author Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, KJakker said: Just looked at a Mig-23 manual and wing sweep settings are 16, 45, and 72 degrees. @dtmdragon said that the Mig-23MLD changed this which implies a change to 16, 33, and 72 degrees. Would this fix the issue. [SwingWingAnimation] SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_MACH FullyDeployOnGround=TRUE Setting[1].Angle=16.0 Setting[1].DeployValue=0.80 Setting[1].RetractValue=0.85 Setting[2].Angle=33.0 Setting[2].DeployValue=0.60 Setting[2].RetractValue=0.65 Setting[3].Angle=72.0 Setting[3].DeployValue=0.40 Setting[3].RetractValue=0.45 MaxDeflection=72.0 MinDeflection=0.0 ControlRate=0.25 AnimationID=1 9 minutes ago, KJakker said: AnimationID=10 is the engine nozzle. In terms of the wing sweep if you compare the TW MLA to the MLD in flight with the wings at mid sweep they are diffrent the MLA wings are at 45 and the MLD wings are at 33. This difference is also reflected in the wing sweep figures in each of the data.ini files. So TW got that part right! The MLD wings just need the leading egde flaps changed to automatic angle of attack. I'm not at home so I cant check the animation number for the wing sweep but as I have said the wings sweep in my game and I haven't changed it??? I think you might be looking at the 3rd party mirage factory MiG-23? Edited March 10, 2020 by dtmdragon Quote
KJakker Posted March 10, 2020 Posted March 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Svetlin said: Not in my install, KJakker. Are you sure you are looking at the stock MiG-23MLD? In my install the MiG-23MLD does not have engine nozzle animation. My mistake. I had a Mig-23MLD mod in my SF2 install. Just checked it in another install, you were right about to stock aircraft. Quote
+dtmdragon Posted March 11, 2020 Author Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Svetlin said: No ejection seat as well. [Pilot] SystemType=PILOT_COCKPIT PilotModelName=Red7225b SetCockpitPosition=TRUE Position=0.0,4.21,0.78 SeatModelName=Mig21KV1 SeatPosition=0.0,3.95,0.403 MinExtentPosition=-0.25, 3.67,-0.34 MaxExtentPosition= 0.25, 4.68, 0.88 HasArmor=TRUE ArmorMaterial=GLASS Armor[FRONT].Thickness=62 CanopyNodeName=Canopy CanopyAnimationID=9 Red7225b.7z Mig21KV1.7z Edited March 11, 2020 by dtmdragon Quote
Stratos Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 This requires a complete MiG-23MLD update mod lol BTW, regarding those Afghani skins, will you release them? Quote
+dtmdragon Posted March 11, 2020 Author Posted March 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, Stratos said: This requires a complete MiG-23MLD update mod lol BTW, regarding those Afghani skins, will you release them? Will do maybe not for a week or two though 1 Quote
+dtmdragon Posted March 11, 2020 Author Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, KJakker said: Recommend a slight change to the Avionics settings. This fixes the order of the radar range settings from lowest to highest while still starting radar range at 15 KM and keeping ACM restricted to setting 1 at 9 KM. [RadarData] AvailableModes=SEARCH,STT,ACM RangeUnit=KM RangeSetting[1]=9 RangeSetting[2]=15 RangeSetting[3]=30 RangeSetting[4]=60 RangeSetting[5]=90 RadarPosition= MaxElevationAngle=57 MinElevationAngle=-42 MaxAzimuthAngle=56 MinAltitude=50.0 MinReturn=0.1 MinimumSpeed=50.0 SearchRange=75 SearchStrength=100 SearchTargetTime=1.2 AcquisitionSymbolSpeed=0.5 AcquisitionTime=3.5 AcquisitionResetPosX=0.5 AcquisitionResetPosY=0.45 AcquisitionResetTime=5.0 TrackRange=60 TrackStrength=100 TWSUpdateTime=0.5 DisplayLimitLeft=29 DisplayLimitRight=226 DisplayLimitTop=29 DisplayLimitBottom=226 StartRangeSetting=2 [RadarDisplaySearch] RangeSetting=1,2,3,4,5 BarElevation[1]=1.50 BarElevation[2]=0.50 BarElevation[3]=-0.50 BarElevation[4]=-1.50 ScanRate=120 ScanBeamAngle=2.5 //ScanArc=40 ScanArc=60 PPI=FALSE Symbol[01]=HorizonLine Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText Symbol[03]=ElevationCaret Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret Symbol[05]=AcquisitionSymbol Symbol[06]=TargetSearch [RadarDisplaySTT] RangeSetting=1,2,3,4,5 ScanBeamAngle=2.5 ScanArc=6 PPI=FALSE Symbol[01]=LockLine Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText Symbol[03]=ElevationCaret Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret Symbol[05]=TargetPDT Symbol[06]=//TargetTAS Symbol[07]=//TargetAspect Symbol[08]=//TargetHeading Symbol[09]=TargetRangeCaret Symbol[10]=//TargetAltitude Symbol[11]=//TargetClosure Symbol[12]=AimDot Symbol[13]=ASECircle Symbol[14]=ShootCueSTT Symbol[15]=BreakX Symbol[16]=RMinCaret Symbol[17]=RMaxCaret Symbol[18]=HorizonLine [RadarDisplayACM] RangeSetting=1 ScanBeamAngle=5.0 Symbol[01]=HorizonLine Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText Symbol[03]= Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret 9km range setting was only available in "close air combat mode" aka ACM or boresight mode. So best left as it was. Search range setting should be 15km, 30km, 60km and 90km although 15 is an educated assumption as I have only found 30, 60 and 90 referenced in my research. Edited March 11, 2020 by dtmdragon Quote
+Gepard Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 15 hours ago, Stratos said: I installed the FM and radar updates, but regarding the chaff/flares, does not the MLD carry the chaff and flares over the fuselage? The KDS-23 dispenser was originally used on MiG-27 and Su-22. For the MiG-23 the central pylon was modified. The designation of the modified pylon was PKWP-23. It could carry the usual drop tank. In the pylon the dispenser KDS-23 was included. so it looked in reality: You see the connection pipe (valve) to the fuel system of the plane and then the 12 cartidges for flares or chaff. Each cartidge had a caliber of 50 mm. 1 1 Quote
Stratos Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Gepard said: The KDS-23 dispenser was originally used on MiG-27 and Su-22. For the MiG-23 the central pylon was modified. The designation of the modified pylon was PKWP-23. It could carry the usual drop tank. In the pylon the dispenser KDS-23 was included. so it looked in reality: You see the connection pipe (valve) to the fuel system of the plane and then the 12 cartidges for flares or chaff. Each cartidge had a caliber of 50 mm. I learn something new every day, and from you a lot of Warsaw pact curiosities, and I really thank you for that. What puzzles me is being so attached to DDR and the master of SF2 choppers, wyhy in the world you never did this... Quote
+Gepard Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Stratos said: I learn something new every day, and from you a lot of Warsaw pact curiosities, and I really thank you for that. What puzzles me is being so attached to DDR and the master of SF2 choppers, wyhy in the world you never did this... Do you mean something like this? 2 Quote
+daddyairplanes Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 thats two new things learned today ah hahahaha but gepard, you really should start writing a book or something. you are THE resident expert on the LSK and the Soviet operations that overlapped with them 2 Quote
+Gepard Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, daddyairplanes said: but gepard, you really should start writing a book or something. you are THE resident expert on the LSK and the Soviet operations that overlapped with them Already done. Available in german language. Edit: Seems to be, that the publishing house has sold my Mi-24 book to an english publishing house. Thats new for me. Hope that the translator made a good job. (East german special terms are different from west german special terms, I hope the translator know what he is doing!) Edited March 11, 2020 by Gepard 8 Quote
Stratos Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 14 hours ago, Gepard said: I purchased this one last week, not received yet, maybe one day you and I will met and I will get my copy signed! 2 Quote
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