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EDIT: These INI edits below have now been superceded by a full download package available here: 

 

 

For those of you who have made the Third Wire MiG-23MLD flyable or just want the AI flown one more accurate here are some corrections for the MIG-23MLD_DATA.ini file.

Leading edge flaps changed to automatically deploy during hard maneuvers (aka slats), the MLD had automatically deploying LE flaps/slats as part of the type 4 wing (which also changed the mid setting wing angle from 45 to 33 degrees):

[LELeftFlap1]
SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE
CLiftdc=-0.0220
CDdc=0.0018
Cmdc=-0.0007
DeltaStallAlpha=0.28
AreaRatio=1.000
DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_ANGLE_OF_ATTACK
DeployWithFlaps=TRUE
Setting[1].Angle=20.0
Setting[1].DeployValue=10.0
Setting[1].RetractValue=6.5
MaxDeflection=20.0
MinDeflection=0.0
ControlRate=0.2
AnimationID=
ModelNodeName=

[LERightFlap1]
SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE
CLiftdc=-0.0220
CDdc=0.0018
Cmdc=-0.0007
DeltaStallAlpha=0.28
AreaRatio=1.000
DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_ANGLE_OF_ATTACK
DeployWithFlaps=TRUE
Setting[1].Angle=20.0
Setting[1].DeployValue=10.0
Setting[1].RetractValue=6.5
MaxDeflection=20.0
MinDeflection=0.0
ControlRate=0.2
AnimationID=
ModelNodeName=

[LELeftFlap2]
SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE
CLiftdc=-0.0305
CDdc=0.0032
Cmdc=0.0002
DeltaStallAlpha=0.24
AreaRatio=1.000
DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_ANGLE_OF_ATTACK
DeployWithFlaps=TRUE
Setting[1].Angle=20.0
Setting[1].DeployValue=10.0
Setting[1].RetractValue=6.5
MaxDeflection=20.0
MinDeflection=0.0
ControlRate=0.2
AnimationID=
ModelNodeName=

[LERightFlap2]
SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE
CLiftdc=-0.0305
CDdc=0.0032
Cmdc=0.0002
DeltaStallAlpha=0.24
AreaRatio=1.000
DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_ANGLE_OF_ATTACK
DeployWithFlaps=TRUE
Setting[1].Angle=20.0
Setting[1].DeployValue=10.0
Setting[1].RetractValue=6.5
MaxDeflection=20.0
MinDeflection=0.0
ControlRate=0.2
AnimationID=
ModelNodeName=

 

Radar upgraded to the S-23MLA-II:

[DetectSystem]
Name=S-23MLA-II
RadarType=AIR_INTERCEPT
RadarFamilyName=HighLark 
RangeUnit=KM
RadarAzimuthLimit=56
RadarElevationLimit=42
RadarSearchTime=1.2
RadarSearchRange=75
RadarSearchStrength=100
RadarTrackTime=3.5
RadarTrackRange=60
RadarTrackStrength=100
DopplerLookdown=TRUE
RadarSearchFreq=10.5
RadarTrackFreq=10.5
RadarMissileGuidanceFreq=10.5
RadarSearchCW=FALSE
RadarTrackCW=FALSE
RadarMissileGuidanceCW=TRUE

 

KDS-23 countermeasure dispenser installed in center line drop tank pylon, drop tank had to be jettisoned first! Pressing the 'jettison droptank' button a second time armed the pylon dispenser on the real aircraft:

[Fuselage]
SystemName[019]=FlareDispenser3


[CenterlineStation]
SystemType=WEAPON_STATION
StationID=5
StationGroupID=4
StationType=EXTERNAL
AttachmentPosition=0.0,0.42,-0.79
AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0
LoadLimit=500
AllowedWeaponClass=FT
AttachmentType=WP
ModelNodeName=
///ModelNodeName=Centerline_Pylon
PylonMass=40
PylonDragArea=0.02
FuelTankName=Tank800_MiG23C

 

[FlareDispenser3]
Name=KDS-23
SystemType=DECOY_DISPENSER
EjectPosition= 0.0,0.42,-0.79
EjectVelocity= 0.0,0.0,-13.88
NumChaff=6
NumFlare=6

 

If you have the MLD flyable here are the radar corrections for the MIG-23MLD_AVIONICS.INI file from the SF2 MiG-23MF/ML/MLD cockpit available at CA by Stary:

[RadarData]
AvailableModes=SEARCH,STT,ACM
RangeUnit=KM
RangeSetting[1]=15
RangeSetting[2]=30
RangeSetting[3]=60
RangeSetting[4]=90
RangeSetting[5]=9
RadarPosition=
MaxElevationAngle=57
MinElevationAngle=-42
MaxAzimuthAngle=56
MinAltitude=50.0
MinReturn=0.1
MinimumSpeed=50.00
SearchRange=75
SearchStrength=100
SearchTargetTime=1.2
AcquisitionSymbolSpeed=0.5
AcquisitionTime=3.5
AcquisitionResetPosX=0.5
AcquisitionResetPosY=0.45
AcquisitionResetTime=5.0
TrackRange=60
TrackStrength=100
TWSUpdateTime=0.5
DisplayLimitLeft=29
DisplayLimitRight=226
DisplayLimitTop=29
DisplayLimitBottom=226

[RadarDisplaySearch]
RangeSetting=1,2,3,4
BarElevation[1]=1.50
BarElevation[2]=0.50
BarElevation[3]=-0.50
BarElevation[4]=-1.50
ScanRate=120
ScanBeamAngle=2.5
//ScanArc=40
ScanArc=60
PPI=FALSE
Symbol[01]=HorizonLine
Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText
Symbol[03]=ElevationCaret
Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret
Symbol[05]=AcquisitionSymbol
Symbol[06]=TargetSearch

[RadarDisplaySTT]
RangeSetting=1,2,3,4
ScanBeamAngle=2.5
ScanArc=6
PPI=FALSE
Symbol[01]=LockLine
Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText
Symbol[03]=ElevationCaret
Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret
Symbol[05]=TargetPDT
Symbol[06]=//TargetTAS
Symbol[07]=//TargetAspect
Symbol[08]=//TargetHeading
Symbol[09]=TargetRangeCaret
Symbol[10]=//TargetAltitude
Symbol[11]=//TargetClosure
Symbol[12]=AimDot
Symbol[13]=ASECircle
Symbol[14]=ShootCueSTT
Symbol[15]=BreakX
Symbol[16]=RMinCaret
Symbol[17]=RMaxCaret
Symbol[18]=HorizonLine

[RadarDisplayACM]
RangeSetting=5
ScanBeamAngle=5.0
Symbol[01]=HorizonLine
Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText
Symbol[03]=
Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret

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Recommend a slight change to the Avionics settings. This fixes the order of the radar range settings from lowest to highest while still starting radar range at 15 KM and keeping ACM restricted to setting 1 at 9 KM.

[RadarData]
AvailableModes=SEARCH,STT,ACM
RangeUnit=KM
RangeSetting[1]=9
RangeSetting[2]=15
RangeSetting[3]=30
RangeSetting[4]=60
RangeSetting[5]=90
RadarPosition=
MaxElevationAngle=57
MinElevationAngle=-42
MaxAzimuthAngle=56
MinAltitude=50.0
MinReturn=0.1
MinimumSpeed=50.0
SearchRange=75
SearchStrength=100
SearchTargetTime=1.2
AcquisitionSymbolSpeed=0.5
AcquisitionTime=3.5
AcquisitionResetPosX=0.5
AcquisitionResetPosY=0.45
AcquisitionResetTime=5.0
TrackRange=60
TrackStrength=100
TWSUpdateTime=0.5
DisplayLimitLeft=29
DisplayLimitRight=226
DisplayLimitTop=29
DisplayLimitBottom=226
StartRangeSetting=2

[RadarDisplaySearch]
RangeSetting=1,2,3,4,5
BarElevation[1]=1.50
BarElevation[2]=0.50
BarElevation[3]=-0.50
BarElevation[4]=-1.50
ScanRate=120
ScanBeamAngle=2.5
//ScanArc=40
ScanArc=60
PPI=FALSE
Symbol[01]=HorizonLine
Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText
Symbol[03]=ElevationCaret
Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret
Symbol[05]=AcquisitionSymbol
Symbol[06]=TargetSearch

[RadarDisplaySTT]
RangeSetting=1,2,3,4,5
ScanBeamAngle=2.5
ScanArc=6
PPI=FALSE
Symbol[01]=LockLine
Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText
Symbol[03]=ElevationCaret
Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret
Symbol[05]=TargetPDT
Symbol[06]=//TargetTAS
Symbol[07]=//TargetAspect
Symbol[08]=//TargetHeading
Symbol[09]=TargetRangeCaret
Symbol[10]=//TargetAltitude
Symbol[11]=//TargetClosure
Symbol[12]=AimDot
Symbol[13]=ASECircle
Symbol[14]=ShootCueSTT
Symbol[15]=BreakX
Symbol[16]=RMinCaret
Symbol[17]=RMaxCaret
Symbol[18]=HorizonLine

[RadarDisplayACM]
RangeSetting=1
ScanBeamAngle=5.0
Symbol[01]=HorizonLine
Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText
Symbol[03]=
Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret

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I installed the FM and radar updates, but regarding the chaff/flares, does not the MLD carry the chaff and flares over the fuselage?

zWlSf4Y.jpg

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Found another issue.

[SwingWingAnimation]
SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE
DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_MACH
FullyDeployOnGround=TRUE
Setting[1].Angle=36.0
Setting[1].DeployValue=0.80
Setting[1].RetractValue=0.85
Setting[2].Angle=56.0
Setting[2].DeployValue=0.40
Setting[2].RetractValue=0.45
MaxDeflection=56.0
MinDeflection=0.0
ControlRate=0.25
AnimationID=10 <------------------------------ Wrong AnimationID number in the stock data file. According to Mue's LODViewer this should be animation number 1.

Disregard, I was looking at the wrong LOD file. 

Edited by KJakker

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43 minutes ago, Stratos said:

I installed the FM and radar updates, but regarding the chaff/flares, does not the MLD carry the chaff and flares over the fuselage?

zWlSf4Y.jpg

Yes it did, the pylon dispenser was an  additional one that was installed around the time they deployed to Afganistan. I believe in Afganistan full loads of just flares were carried in all three dispensers since MANPADS were the main threat. But the pylon dispenser like the over fuselage ones could carry chaff or a mix of both.

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41 minutes ago, KJakker said:

Found another issue.

[SwingWingAnimation]
SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE
DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_MACH
FullyDeployOnGround=TRUE
Setting[1].Angle=36.0
Setting[1].DeployValue=0.80
Setting[1].RetractValue=0.85
Setting[2].Angle=56.0
Setting[2].DeployValue=0.40
Setting[2].RetractValue=0.45
MaxDeflection=56.0
MinDeflection=0.0
ControlRate=0.25
AnimationID=10 <------------------------------ Wrong AnimationID number in the stock data file. According to Mue's LODViewer this should be animation number 1.

The wings swing so the lod viewer must be wrong???

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Just looked at a Mig-23 manual and wing sweep settings are 16, 45, and 72 degrees. @dtmdragon said that the Mig-23MLD changed this which implies a change to 16, 33, and 72 degrees.

Would this fix the issue?

[SwingWingAnimation]
SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE
DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_MACH
FullyDeployOnGround=TRUE
Setting[1].Angle=16.0
Setting[1].DeployValue=0.80
Setting[1].RetractValue=0.85
Setting[2].Angle=33.0
Setting[2].DeployValue=0.60
Setting[2].RetractValue=0.65
Setting[3].Angle=72.0
Setting[3].DeployValue=0.40
Setting[3].RetractValue=0.45
MaxDeflection=72.0
MinDeflection=0.0
ControlRate=0.25
AnimationID=1

Edited by KJakker

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9 minutes ago, stuntman said:

Dmtdragon, will you release the skins you posted in the screenshot section?

Can do in a week or two

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19 minutes ago, dtmdragon said:

The wings swing so the lod viewer must be wrong???

AnimationID=1 is the wing sweep.
AnimationID=3 is the speed breaks.
AnimationID=4 is the landing gears.
AnimationID=5 is the left main gear shocks.
AnimationID=6 is the right main gear shocks.
AnimationID=7 is the nose gear shocks.
AnimationID=8 is the canopy.
AnimationID=9 is the drag chute.
AnimationID=10 is the engine nozzle.

I could also work on fixing the hit boxes if you want. They are off on just about all of the TW AIrcraft. I was working on a fix for all TW Aircraft and Ground Objects but got distracted from completing it.

Edited by KJakker
Referenced wrong LOD file.

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Not in my install, KJakker. Are you sure you are looking at the stock  MiG-23MLD? In my install the MiG-23MLD does not have engine nozzle animation.

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11 minutes ago, KJakker said:

Just looked at a Mig-23 manual and wing sweep settings are 16, 45, and 72 degrees. @dtmdragon said that the Mig-23MLD changed this which implies a change to 16, 33, and 72 degrees.

Would this fix the issue.

[SwingWingAnimation]
SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE
DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_MACH
FullyDeployOnGround=TRUE
Setting[1].Angle=16.0
Setting[1].DeployValue=0.80
Setting[1].RetractValue=0.85
Setting[2].Angle=33.0
Setting[2].DeployValue=0.60
Setting[2].RetractValue=0.65
Setting[3].Angle=72.0
Setting[3].DeployValue=0.40
Setting[3].RetractValue=0.45
MaxDeflection=72.0
MinDeflection=0.0
ControlRate=0.25
AnimationID=1

 

9 minutes ago, KJakker said:

AnimationID=10 is the engine nozzle.

In terms of the wing sweep if you compare the TW MLA to the MLD in flight with the wings at mid sweep they are diffrent the MLA wings are at 45 and the MLD wings are at 33. This difference is also reflected in the wing sweep figures in each of the data.ini files. So TW got that part right! The MLD wings just need the leading egde flaps changed to automatic angle of attack.

I'm not at home so I cant check the animation number for the wing sweep but as I have said the wings sweep in my game and I haven't changed it??? I think you might be looking at the 3rd party mirage factory MiG-23?

Edited by dtmdragon

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3 minutes ago, Svetlin said:

Not in my install, KJakker. Are you sure you are looking at the stock  MiG-23MLD? In my install the MiG-23MLD does not have engine nozzle animation.

My mistake. I had a Mig-23MLD mod in my SF2 install. Just checked it in another install, you were right about to stock aircraft.

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4 hours ago, Svetlin said:

No ejection seat as well.

[Pilot]
SystemType=PILOT_COCKPIT
PilotModelName=Red7225b
SetCockpitPosition=TRUE
Position=0.0,4.21,0.78
SeatModelName=Mig21KV1
SeatPosition=0.0,3.95,0.403
MinExtentPosition=-0.25, 3.67,-0.34
MaxExtentPosition= 0.25, 4.68, 0.88
HasArmor=TRUE
ArmorMaterial=GLASS
Armor[FRONT].Thickness=62
CanopyNodeName=Canopy
CanopyAnimationID=9

Red7225b.7z

Mig21KV1.7z

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This requires a complete MiG-23MLD update mod lol

BTW, regarding those Afghani skins, will you release them?

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8 minutes ago, Stratos said:

This requires a complete MiG-23MLD update mod lol

BTW, regarding those Afghani skins, will you release them?

Will do maybe not for a week or two though 

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10 hours ago, KJakker said:

Recommend a slight change to the Avionics settings. This fixes the order of the radar range settings from lowest to highest while still starting radar range at 15 KM and keeping ACM restricted to setting 1 at 9 KM.

[RadarData]
AvailableModes=SEARCH,STT,ACM
RangeUnit=KM
RangeSetting[1]=9
RangeSetting[2]=15
RangeSetting[3]=30
RangeSetting[4]=60
RangeSetting[5]=90
RadarPosition=
MaxElevationAngle=57
MinElevationAngle=-42
MaxAzimuthAngle=56
MinAltitude=50.0
MinReturn=0.1
MinimumSpeed=50.0
SearchRange=75
SearchStrength=100
SearchTargetTime=1.2
AcquisitionSymbolSpeed=0.5
AcquisitionTime=3.5
AcquisitionResetPosX=0.5
AcquisitionResetPosY=0.45
AcquisitionResetTime=5.0
TrackRange=60
TrackStrength=100
TWSUpdateTime=0.5
DisplayLimitLeft=29
DisplayLimitRight=226
DisplayLimitTop=29
DisplayLimitBottom=226
StartRangeSetting=2

[RadarDisplaySearch]
RangeSetting=1,2,3,4,5
BarElevation[1]=1.50
BarElevation[2]=0.50
BarElevation[3]=-0.50
BarElevation[4]=-1.50
ScanRate=120
ScanBeamAngle=2.5
//ScanArc=40
ScanArc=60
PPI=FALSE
Symbol[01]=HorizonLine
Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText
Symbol[03]=ElevationCaret
Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret
Symbol[05]=AcquisitionSymbol
Symbol[06]=TargetSearch

[RadarDisplaySTT]
RangeSetting=1,2,3,4,5
ScanBeamAngle=2.5
ScanArc=6
PPI=FALSE
Symbol[01]=LockLine
Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText
Symbol[03]=ElevationCaret
Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret
Symbol[05]=TargetPDT
Symbol[06]=//TargetTAS
Symbol[07]=//TargetAspect
Symbol[08]=//TargetHeading
Symbol[09]=TargetRangeCaret
Symbol[10]=//TargetAltitude
Symbol[11]=//TargetClosure
Symbol[12]=AimDot
Symbol[13]=ASECircle
Symbol[14]=ShootCueSTT
Symbol[15]=BreakX
Symbol[16]=RMinCaret
Symbol[17]=RMaxCaret
Symbol[18]=HorizonLine

[RadarDisplayACM]
RangeSetting=1
ScanBeamAngle=5.0
Symbol[01]=HorizonLine
Symbol[02]=RangeScaleText
Symbol[03]=
Symbol[04]=AzimuthCaret

9km range setting was only available in "close air combat mode" aka ACM or boresight mode. So best left as it was. Search range setting should be 15km, 30km, 60km and 90km although 15 is an educated assumption as I have only found 30, 60 and 90 referenced in my research.

Edited by dtmdragon

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15 hours ago, Stratos said:

I installed the FM and radar updates, but regarding the chaff/flares, does not the MLD carry the chaff and flares over the fuselage?

zWlSf4Y.jpg

 

The KDS-23 dispenser was originally used on MiG-27 and Su-22. For the MiG-23 the central pylon was modified. The designation of the modified pylon was  PKWP-23. It could carry the usual drop tank. In the pylon the dispenser KDS-23 was included.

so it looked in reality:

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You see the connection pipe (valve) to the fuel system of the plane and then the 12 cartidges for flares or chaff. Each cartidge had a caliber of 50 mm.

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1 hour ago, Gepard said:

 

The KDS-23 dispenser was originally used on MiG-27 and Su-22. For the MiG-23 the central pylon was modified. The designation of the modified pylon was  PKWP-23. It could carry the usual drop tank. In the pylon the dispenser KDS-23 was included.

so it looked in reality:

 

You see the connection pipe (valve) to the fuel system of the plane and then the 12 cartidges for flares or chaff. Each cartidge had a caliber of 50 mm.

I learn something new every day, and from you a lot of Warsaw pact curiosities, and I really thank you for that.

What puzzles me is being so attached to DDR and the master of SF2 choppers, wyhy in the world you never did this...

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2 hours ago, Stratos said:

I learn something new every day, and from you a lot of Warsaw pact curiosities, and I really thank you for that.

What puzzles me is being so attached to DDR and the master of SF2 choppers, wyhy in the world you never did this...

 

Do you mean something like this?

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thats two new things learned today ah hahahaha

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but gepard, you really should start writing a book or something. you are THE resident expert on the LSK and the Soviet operations that overlapped with them :good:

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1 hour ago, daddyairplanes said:

but gepard, you really should start writing a book or something. you are THE resident expert on the LSK and the Soviet operations that overlapped with them :good:

Already done. Available in german language.

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Edit: Seems to be, that the publishing house has sold my Mi-24 book to an english publishing house. Thats new for me. Hope that the translator made a good job. (East german special terms are different from west german special terms, I hope the translator know what he is doing!)

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14 hours ago, Gepard said:

 

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I purchased this one last week, not received yet, maybe one day you and I will met and I will get my copy signed!

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