macelena 1,070 Posted March 18, 2009 When i heard my real godfather talk trash about "Godfather" sequels, i didn´t understand him, because he loved the first one. Now that i see the first aircraft i flew like this, i know what he meant..... I don´t think that there is some interest in such an aircraft. Perhaps if it had TVC and canards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Klavs81 4 Posted March 18, 2009 A large part of me is extremely happy to see continuing growth in crewed fighter development here at home, good on ya, Boeing! Throw in some Stealthified F-16XLs and we're really cooking with JP-7! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted March 18, 2009 More Photos, now in detail of the vertical stabilizers.... don't seems to be a great difference, the base is straight and the vert stab falls right and left http://airway.uol.com.br/index.asp?codm=10&codg=143 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+SkippyBing 8 Posted March 18, 2009 I'm really doubting the stealthy as a F-35 line, looking at the weapons bays they don't have the usual sawtooth on the leading and trailing edges of the doors, which is an easy way to reduce the RCS from the join. I'm not saying this isn't a good idea from Boeing, I'm sure there's a large market for them if the price is sensible, I just don't think they should exaggerate it's performance. Mind you how's anyone ever going to be able to disprove their claim! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted March 18, 2009 can the threads be merged? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FastCargo 412 Posted March 18, 2009 Closed one thread, deleted one thread. Use this thread...can't seem to merge them for some reason. FC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MigBuster 2,884 Posted March 18, 2009 I'm really doubting the stealthy as a F-35 line, looking at the weapons bays they don't have the usual sawtooth on the leading and trailing edges of the doors, which is an easy way to reduce the RCS from the join. I'm not saying this isn't a good idea from Boeing, I'm sure there's a large market for them if the price is sensible, I just don't think they should exaggerate it's performance. Mind you how's anyone ever going to be able to disprove their claim! How can they claim that anyway when the F-35 is still in its dev stage Be interesting to see cost comparison between this and the FA-18E/F Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erwin_Hans 6 Posted March 18, 2009 I'm really doubting the stealthy as a F-35 line, looking at the weapons bays they don't have the usual sawtooth on the leading and trailing edges of the doors, which is an easy way to reduce the RCS from the join. I'm not saying this isn't a good idea from Boeing, I'm sure there's a large market for them if the price is sensible, I just don't think they should exaggerate it's performance. Mind you how's anyone ever going to be able to disprove their claim! Or this is a great export version? Export to SK,JP? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mannie 21 Posted March 18, 2009 The USAF would be wise to look into some new-build F-15s. There will never be enough F-22s to support all of our commitments. I couldn't have said it any better!!!! StreakEagle, I think you are forgetting one major factor. Times are changed! With such a major economic crises the US is dealing with now, the Silent Eagle can be a hell of a good deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JediMaster 451 Posted March 18, 2009 A plane like that is a good idea at the same time you start hanging pylons on the F-22s and F-35s...when the major SAM threats are neutralized. Remember, the F-15 isn't worried about other planes, it's worried about SAMs! In fact, it would be interesting to see what has a bigger RCS--a "silent Eagle" with its missiles inside the CFTs, or an F-22 or F-35 carrying external stores under the wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cason 2 Posted March 18, 2009 I wonder what the original developers of the F-15 (fighter mafia) who have all been highly critical of the F-35 and F-22, think about this. :) I'm sure they'd probably say something like "A 1970s design with a few modifications to the airframe, control surfaces, and added weapons bays can still be a viable option. Did I mention its a fraction of the cost?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
serverandenforcer 33 Posted March 18, 2009 It just seems like it's a desperate attempt against the competition by Boeing. To me, it looks like a F-15 with a body kit. Aside from the RAM that's been placed on it, I don't see any other significant design changes that make it stealthier. Internal weapon bays kind of help by maintaining the default RCS that would have changed from external ordinance on the wings. But it still doesn't meet to the level of performance of the F-22 and F-35. It might be a bit cheaper than those two, but that's all it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Fates 63 Posted March 18, 2009 Topics Merged. Just wait until they unveil the new Stealthy Tomcat! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+starfighter2 117 Posted March 18, 2009 We shall see about F-15SE, I think that Israel will be willing to obtain some. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557 Posted March 18, 2009 Looks realy good, nice shape, as said before .. maybe we are the first who see this bird in a flight sim ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kct 5 Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) The one worrying thing is that this proposal would wind getting shot down to make sure JSF sales are secured, or at least, to stop it from becoming a major competition with the JSF. Much like what happened to the Super Phantom/Kurnass 2000. Plus age. And the controversy of the F-15C breaking apart some time back. Edited March 18, 2009 by kct Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MigBuster 2,884 Posted March 19, 2009 Topics Merged. Just wait until they unveil the new Stealthy Tomcat! Its Boeing - who knows where it could go - what else did they build - oh yeah - B-52 Megafortress anyone :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MigBuster 2,884 Posted March 19, 2009 It just seems like it's a desperate attempt against the competition by Boeing. To me, it looks like a F-15 with a body kit. Aside from the RAM that's been placed on it, I don't see any other significant design changes that make it stealthier. Internal weapon bays kind of help by maintaining the default RCS that would have changed from external ordinance on the wings. But it still doesn't meet to the level of performance of the F-22 and F-35. It might be a bit cheaper than those two, but that's all it is. Haha - like the bodykit reference - puts it into perspective really Iran could stick a body kit on their tomcats too - complete with alloy wheels :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hokum 0 Posted March 19, 2009 The one worrying thing is that this proposal would wind getting shot down to make sure JSF sales are secured, or at least, to stop it from becoming a major competition with the JSF. Much like what happened to the Super Phantom/Kurnass 2000. Plus age. And the controversy of the F-15C breaking apart some time back. Though competition is good. It will offer features the JSF doesnt. Would be good for airforces which already operate the Eagle. I wonder if thee are any common parts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Gunrunner 314 Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) Oh dear... That can be read two ways... 1) Reject Boeing RCS claims : Boeing engineers were high, thought that was a good idea, then the marketing department got high too and made preposterous claims. 2) Accept Boeing RCS claims : JSF partners you're being fogged off with second-rate american junk by smart-aleck salesmen from Pittsburgh while british factories stand empty and british workmen queue up for the dole. Edited March 19, 2009 by Gunrunner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SayethWhaaaa 245 Posted March 19, 2009 Silent, but deadly... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atreides 144 Posted March 19, 2009 Would be cool if the Indians considered this bird and provided that it was offered to India for their MMRCA... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eraser_tr 29 Posted March 19, 2009 Just wait until they unveil the new Stealthy Tomcat! No, please, don't get my hopes up. It's been hard enough as is. I'm with streakeagle on the economics. It was massive defense spending, R&D and production that got us out of the depression, new deal stuff only softened things. Problem is we've already got such an absurd deficit, nobody likes taxes and costs for it all have quadrupled since the 30s and 40s. Though one wonders if all this kim jong il stuff lately is an orchestrated pretext to doing exactly like WW2. Though how much of a difference will unit cost be to replace them 1 for 1? The SE isn't much cheaper, boeing says something like $100 million? Raptors were what? 120 each? The only way its nearly as stealthy as a JSF is if the RAM coating is almost 100% of the deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MigBuster 2,884 Posted March 19, 2009 The only way its nearly as stealthy as a JSF is if the RAM coating is almost 100% of the deal. Huh that would be some fluke - putting RAM on an F-15 and it being an RCS near a true stealth fighter - wishful thinking i reakon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
