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This is too much. How many fucking times, and in how many fucking ways must it be explained to you people???

Simply put, in Americaneeze,  "Pay up or shut down". A black and white statement.

 

Ya'all don't like it? Well, then you have a choice to make, don't you??? I don't think I have to spell it out

 

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2 hours ago, samuelffer said:

I understand and I've read and I know that it involves expenses with the site, but remember that the dollar in other countries, the dollar is extremely expensive, it's like multiplying 6x6 in my country for the most basic 2-day subscription, just think about those who use the dollar, and other countries?? How do they pay such a high amount? They should at least balance and equalize values according to the currency, or at least allow 1 download per day! That said, I'm uninstalling SF2 because of this, I know how annoying and difficult it is to maintain something like a forum with several things but it's something that should be thought about or stored in a less expensive place.

so let me get this straight

youre going to remove a program you already own because you cant download new content to your hearts content?  a program that you could modify on your own to your hearts content? and are annnouncing this  on your computer while complaining about a price that is the cost of an average fast food/street vendor meal (hell just large coffee or tea in some countries)?

well maybe you should. if moneys that damn tight you should probably be working more, simming less. energy to run a sim capable computer is quite alot in other countries too

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6 minutes ago, daddyairplanes said:

 

and joined 2 hours ago, just make that whiney post. 

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Just noticed the changes recently.

Thanks for all the good times.

Hope the party ain't over.

Nobody out there has done more over the years.

 

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To everyone,

I've read all the hate mail, the PMs, the posts online, the posts here and I've done my darnedest to respond politely and calmly to every one of them. So instead of investing all this negativity into knocking me down how about we put our energy into solutions. I'm here and I'm willing to listen.

I've heard all the stories about how bad life is around the world. I sympathize and I get it, now let's get some ideas out of your heads and into this thread about what you guys think is fair. Let's keep in mind that I have to pay for everything we do here so let's be reasonable. 

If you ran the place and it was your money and time, what would you do?

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7 hours ago, samuelffer said:

I understand and I've read and I know that it involves expenses with the site ...

I don't think these words mean what you think they mean :dntknw:

7 hours ago, samuelffer said:

... it's something that should be thought about or stored in a less expensive place.

Thought about it for the past twenty years. The cheap solutions have the same end result as shutting this place down.

"A wise ear welcomes correction like a gardener welcomes pruning, for it helps the plant grow stronger."

 

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5 hours ago, daddyairplanes said:

about a price that is the cost of an average fast food/street vendor meal

That's the price of fast food for you. Most, I repeat, most people on the planet live on a couple of dollars a day. Not an hour, but a day. In the US, you have 7% inflation. I asked my US friend how this inflation affected him. He said, well, vegetables have become a little more expensive. And here in the third world, our asses are exploding from your inflation. As you can see, I'm not the only one who wrote that the dollar has doubled in price in a year.  You in US are out of the real word away

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45 minutes ago, Erik said:

I'm here and I'm willing to listen.

i just say from my position. i will not pay $10 per month. i dont know what to do. How live SAS iL-2 site? How live Falcon BMS? May be we need sponsors. let someone most clever, find it. I dont know what to do.

In our country everything works on donations now. Food for refugees is bought with donations, weapons are bought with donations. Cutting off the poor from the site will definitely not increase the site's income. That's what I think. This is my personal opinion. Try it if you want. If a person cannot pay, he still will not pay. And paying to upload a modification to the site is nonsense. Let's make ratings, as PeacePumab said. This is a bad decision, but it is better than completely cutting off all free mod makers.

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On 1/1/2025 at 11:56 PM, Muesli said:

 

 

On 1/1/2025 at 11:56 PM, Muesli said:

 

 

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Muesli. I deleted my answer because I thought you were talking (Fuck) to me. I apologize for having confused myself.

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10 hours ago, daddyairplanes said:

so let me get this straight

youre going to remove a program you already own because you cant download new content to your hearts content?  a program that you could modify on your own to your hearts content? and are annnouncing this  on your computer while complaining about a price that is the cost of an average fast food/street vendor meal (hell just large coffee or tea in some countries)?

well maybe you should. if moneys that damn tight you should probably be working more, simming less. energy to run a sim capable computer is quite alot in other countries too

Friend. You got it completely wrong. First. I'm not changing anything. I'm trying to understand how to organize a game and mods. I'm learning programming. I'm seeing how you organize the files, make the initials...Second. I'm not complaining. I'm just saying because I've never been able to contribute. And I made that very clear. How offensive you are.

 

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10 hours ago, daddyairplanes said:

so let me get this straight

youre going to remove a program you already own because you cant download new content to your hearts content?  a program that you could modify on your own to your hearts content? and are annnouncing this  on your computer while complaining about a price that is the cost of an average fast food/street vendor meal (hell just large coffee or tea in some countries)?

well maybe you should. if moneys that damn tight you should probably be working more, simming less. energy to run a sim capable computer is quite alot in other countries too

Friend. I'm sorry. I thought you were writing to me. I got confused. Please disregard my answer where I explain that I am not trying to change anything.

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@Erik thank you for your words and your serenity before the avalanche of visceral reactions, your attitude has been humble and appropriate, so it is appreciated to be an attentive host despite the situation that you are revealing.

As my interest is that we get out of this turbulence I propose that we start this year with a new theme which is intended exclusively to work on actions that lead to CA to its self-sustainability, that this is scalable and does not depend only on charity or economic streak of its members. Personally I would like to develop in detail the points that I exposed comments above and that we leave aside for a while the blueprints, 3dmax and brushes and use our work skills to make the numbers that the site needs and launch a roadmap of how the site will be planted facing new times, I have thought of many things like promotions, social networking, contests and marketing strategies to bring new enthusiasts who have desirable material in exchange for a fair economic contribution (and incidentally educate that life is not just want, I want). ... anyway 20 people won't sustain this site for long, what do you say, do you support me?  @Muesli @yakarov79  @bazillius  @Eric J. @Wrench @FANATIC MODDER @madvad @Dave @dtmdragon @Stratos @MigBuster  @daddyairplanes @Jimbib ...and others that are reading.

let's soar or fall in style !!!! but the attempt is up to each of you. 

 

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16 hours ago, Erik said:

Thank you for your input and gracious reply. I too agree that kindness and politeness go a long way, so thank you for that.

I hear what you're saying in both posts and appreciate your views. I will add your thoughts to the future release.

Thank you,

Erik

Wow, I'm glad you understood. I'm glad you saw my YS Flight Simulator suggestion. Communicate with them. And once again I insist. You have the potential to produce a simulator. I think you, Erik, need to get together with the other mods in the community and invest in your own simulator. I saw that the other moderator mentioned the difficulties. But I think you can do it. The mods here are excellent. One of the moderators said that he works with a machine from SF Vietnam (I'm correct). I apologize for offending the other colleague, but he told me to fuck off. He didn't understand what I meant.

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Erik. Continue...

And when I have money, I will contribute. For now I see that some of you are war heroes. Before my country had men like that. For some comments. Very Wishes.

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I removed the part where I complained about Muesli because I thought he was offending me.
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4 hours ago, PeacePuma said:

@Erik thank you for your words and your serenity before the avalanche of visceral reactions, your attitude has been humble and appropriate, so it is appreciated to be an attentive host despite the situation that you are revealing.

As my interest is that we get out of this turbulence I propose that we start this year with a new theme which is intended exclusively to work on actions that lead to CA to its self-sustainability, that this is scalable and does not depend only on charity or economic streak of its members. Personally I would like to develop in detail the points that I exposed comments above and that we leave aside for a while the blueprints, 3dmax and brushes and use our work skills to make the numbers that the site needs and launch a roadmap of how the site will be planted facing new times, I have thought of many things like promotions, social networking, contests and marketing strategies to bring new enthusiasts who have desirable material in exchange for a fair economic contribution (and incidentally educate that life is not just want, I want). ... anyway 20 people won't sustain this site for long, what do you say, do you support me?  @Muesli @yakarov79  @bazillius  @Eric J. @Wrench @FANATIC MODDER @madvad @Dave @dtmdragon @Stratos @MigBuster  @daddyairplanes @Jimbib ...and others that are reading.

let's soar or fall in style !!!! but the attempt is up to each of you. 

 

Hello friend. That is point! Good idea! I can help with that. I'm an administrator of a Facebook community about Strike Fighters. I will share the website from here. In fact, I invite everyone to be part of it. I also participate in gamer communities. I can promote it there. Can I do this Erik and other mods?

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I think Peace Puma came up with a good idea. Advertising will help a lot to attract other fans. Even those who don't like airplanes can enjoy it. I'll work on this idea. You can put the community link here, so you can participate.

 

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I fully understand this, money doesn't just rain from the sky.

It's just that paying this money in my country is difficult, I only have an international credit card that I haven't had time to activate yet due to work hours, and my paypal was blocked a year ago due to a "childish mistake" so I haven't been able to do this.

Maybe I'll try to solve this problem in the future and try to help in my small way.See you soon!

 

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I was offensive to Muesli and I think he was saying offensive to you Bazillius. It's just that I thought he was talking to me, because the answer he highlighted sounded very similar to what I wrote.

 

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Guys. I'm going to start promoting the site in the community. I invite you to participate. I tried to put the link here and it gave me an error. I think it's prohibited. All good. The name is StrikeFighters. Look for the community. I will do the following. I'll see if I can get in touch with someone at YS Flight Simulator. If he can, I recommend him to come here and talk to you.

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Finally, I will promote the site in other gaming communities. Unlike me, there are people who can already contribute and will help you. Very Wishes.

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2 hours ago, bazillius said:

i just say from my position. i will not pay $10 per month. i dont know what to do. How live SAS iL-2 site? How live Falcon BMS? May be we need sponsors. let someone most clever, find it. I dont know what to do.

In our country everything works on donations now. Food for refugees is bought with donations, weapons are bought with donations. Cutting off the poor from the site will definitely not increase the site's income. That's what I think. This is my personal opinion. Try it if you want. If a person cannot pay, he still will not pay. And paying to upload a modification to the site is nonsense. Let's make ratings, as PeacePumab said. This is a bad decision, but it is better than completely cutting off all free mod makers.

Friend, keep calm... this is like a developing news story. We need to think about what to do. Neither my $10 nor the other person's $160 will solve a debt instantly, because this needs to be constant. That's why I'm suggesting ways where the lack of money can be compensated with new, interesting, and attractive material for enthusiasts who do have their $10 to get your MiG-29 UB or a skin for the new Argentine F-16... You have very interesting things on your profile, that can add value to the site without putting your wallet at risk, guys... I'm not just a pretty face (ahem... ahem), apart from painting skins for endless 2 weeks (which I think it's advisable to release now), I'm also a salesman and this place is very financiable if we all work on it... I want to make it super clear, I'm not some kind of communist, (and I'm very far from it) but I do believe in the common union of people and that's powerful... the rest is just simple political discourse, here we make sense of the essence of collaboration.

If you're following my idea, this transcends the fee that Erick has to pay annually, this can be a place that can contribute to a friend in need, no one is free from misfortune and we can empower ourselves to help a brother... but we must be intelligent and put our talents to work.

So, friend @bazillius, take a deep breath, I also exploded for 30 seconds, but then you have to open your mind and most importantly you have to let your guard down.

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4 hours ago, PeacePuma said:

Friend, keep calm... this is like a developing news story. We need to think about what to do. Neither my $10 nor the other person's $160 will solve a debt instantly, because this needs to be constant. That's why I'm suggesting ways where the lack of money can be compensated with new, interesting, and attractive material for enthusiasts who do have their $10 to get your MiG-29 UB or a skin for the new Argentine F-16... You have very interesting things on your profile, that can add value to the site without putting your wallet at risk, guys... I'm not just a pretty face (ahem... ahem), apart from painting skins for endless 2 weeks (which I think it's advisable to release now), I'm also a salesman and this place is very sellable if we all work on it... I want to make it super clear, I'm not some kind of communist, (and I'm very far from it) but I do believe in the common union of people and that's powerful... the rest is just simple political discourse, here we make sense of the essence of collaboration.

If you're following my idea, this transcends the fee that Erick has to pay annually, this can be a place that can contribute to a friend in need, no one is free from misfortune and we can empower ourselves to help a brother... but we must be intelligent and put our talents to work.

So, friend @bazillius, take a deep breath, I also exploded for 30 seconds, but then you have to open your mind and most importantly you have to let your guard down.

That's why I thought publicity was a good idea. At least it's the beginning.  I have already promoted it in the community I moderate. I explained that the community has been providing us with wonderful models, terrain and mods and now needs help to maintain itself.

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