Canadair Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 Boning Turkey.... Hey I did that, although not in a B-1. that is FC's prerogative
+ludo.m54 Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 After the Mirage IIIC, the Mirage IIIE : Based on the TMF Mirage IIIE. Ludo
Spinners Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 Sud-Aviation Vulture B.2 - No.3 Squadron, RAF Germany 1964
James Fox Posted September 22, 2010 Posted September 22, 2010 Mr Spinner, your poor pilot has no ejection seat, maybe no seat at all. Maybe sitting on an empyt beer crate, or a full one or something?
+daddyairplanes Posted September 22, 2010 Posted September 22, 2010 Mr Spinner, your poor pilot has no ejection seat, maybe no seat at all. Maybe sitting on an empyt beer crate, or a full one or something? well there is an old English military toast that goes " Damn the French!'
Spinners Posted September 22, 2010 Posted September 22, 2010 Mr Spinner, your poor pilot has no ejection seat, maybe no seat at all. Maybe sitting on an empyt beer crate, or a full one or something? Neither did 60% of V-Bombers crews! 1
Rambler 1-1 Posted September 22, 2010 Posted September 22, 2010 Started a Thud campaign, seeing as I'm better at dropping bombs then pinning MiGs. Loaded for bear, low and fast, and a clean getaway.
+daddyairplanes Posted September 22, 2010 Posted September 22, 2010 (edited) well nothing in the 60's was faster than a scared Thud pilot on the deck:grin: when i used to play WOE i always got mostly a2a in the Thud campaigns. hadn't tried it in Gen 2 yet. hmmm...... Edited September 22, 2010 by daddyairplanes
malibu43 Posted September 22, 2010 Posted September 22, 2010 well nothing in the 60's was faster than a scared Thud pilot on the deck:grin: when i used to play WOE i always got mostly a2a in the Thud campaigns. hadn't tried it in Gen 2 yet. hmmm...... IIRC, the F-105 at one point had A2A missions listed as secondary mission types in the data.ini. I think one of the patches finally removed those... I only know this because I had the same issue that you had - lot's of CAP and fighter sweeps in F-105 campaigns! I don't see the issue anymore.
Spinners Posted September 22, 2010 Posted September 22, 2010 Sud-Aviation Vulture GR.4's - No.16 Squadron, RAF 'Operation Desert Storm', February 1991
James Fox Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 Neither did 60% of V-Bombers crews! I read somewhere that Vulcans towards the end of their service life often flew low, lower that 500 feet, that must have been quite a sight to see. I have seen clips of B-52's frying chickens, as one quote put it, but never a Vulcan that low. Ejections seats at the time may have been of little value, that's if they had them and the time to eject.
+FastCargo Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 What makes you think ejection seats wouldn't work at 500 feet? FC
+daddyairplanes Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 zero zero seats work at Zero speed and Zero altitude. the problem in many 50's era jets was that the ejection systems were designed for the extremes in pperformance that the jet would rarely use, not for egressing in normal situations like take off or landing.(see the Lockheed F-104 downward firing ejection seat)
+FastCargo Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 I know all about ejection seats and their limitations. I also know that even for early aircraft, that ejection seats would work just fine in level flight with a decent amount of speed (excepting of course downward firing models such as the early F-104 and B-52). Where ejection seats get into trouble are if you: A) Aren't in wings level flight B) Aren't in a zero or positive vertical velocity vector C) Don't have minimum speed (for early seats...windspeed was used to help separate the canopy) D) Failure of part/parts of the system What I am saying is that high speed, low level flight was well within the ejection seat envelope for even early seats, mainly because there was usually time to convert airspeed to altitude before punching out. There have been too many deaths/injuries not because of failures within the envelope, but pilots placing themselves out of the envelope because they waited too long trying to recover the aircraft. FC
+daddyairplanes Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 very true FC. my comment wasnt aimed at you but one above. watched em in action in the desert last year when a GR4 went down.
Spinners Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 Ejections seats at the time may have been of little value, that's if they had them and the time to eject. With the V-Force going low-level from the mid-1960's that's the very reason it was a national scandal and a disgrace. FFI read the Vulcan and Victor chapters in 'Bombers of The West' by Bill Gunston.
+ravenclaw_007 Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 there is a new pilot in the RF-4E thanks to the USAF - GAF exchange program , Dave i hope you like bratwurst , bier und sauerkraut
Silverbolt Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 there is a new pilot in the RF-4E thanks to the USAF - GAF exchange program , Dave i hope you like bratwurst , bier und sauerkraut Dave ist deutsch!
+Dave Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 When they asked if I wanted to go to Germany for Beer, Brats, and F-4's, I couldnt refuse. Now excuse me, I'll be in the beer tent. I think Volker is trying to scare the kids away.
Spinners Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 Ski Sunday! (Sud-Aviation Vulture FGA.3 - No.41 Squadron, RAF Strike Command, 1983)
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