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This info is about the squadrons for which we have aircraft available in-game (including DAT planes). Some of these squadrons also operated other types which we don't have available, so I haven't mentioned them. The info covers periods outside those which you've proposed for the campaign Dave, but it's here if you need it. Air service: 10 Nov 1947 - 13 Dec 1947 Lydda: Tiger Moth, Dragon Rapide 13 Dec 1947 - 26 May 1948 Sde Dov: Tiger Moth, Dragon Rapide 13 Dec 1947 - 26 May 1948 Yavneel: Dragon Rapide, Bonanza 13 Dec 1947 - 26 May 1948 Nir'am\Dorot: C-47 Air Service became A (Aleph) Tel Aviv Sqn 27 Dec 1947 - Late June 1948 Sde Dov: Tiger Moth, Dragon Rapide A Sqn then became 1 Sqn: Late June 1948 - 21 June 1949 Sde Dov: Dragon Rapide, Bonanza A Flight (became part of 103 Sqn): 1 May 1948 - 26 May 1948 Ekron: C-47 26 May 1948 - 10 June 1948: Ramat David C-47 B Flight(became part of 103 Sqn): July 1958 Ramat David: Beaufighter, Mosquito PR.16 3 Sqn: 5 April 1948 - Late June 1948 Yavneel\Machanayim: Dragon Rapide Late June 1948 - 21 June 1949 Ramat David: Dragon Rapide 35 Sqn: Late Nov 1948 - 19 Jan 1949 Ekron: Harvard 69 Sqn: 15 July 1948 - Mid 1949 Ramat David: B-17 101 Sqn: 19 May 1948 - Mid June 1948 Ekron: Avia, Spitfire Mid June 1948 - End July 1948 Herzliya: Avia, Spitfire End July 1948 - Late Sept 1948 Ma'abarot: Avia, Spitfire Late Sept 1948 - 9 Nov 1948 Netanya: Avia, Spitfire, P-51 9 Nov 1948 - 30 May 1949 Qastiuna: Avia, Spitfire, P-51 30 May 1949 - Nov 1955 Ramat David: Spitfire (until early 1951), P-51 103 Sqn: 10 June 1948 - 1 July 1949 Ramat David: C-47, Beaufighter, Mosquito PR.16 1 July 1949 - 1951 Ekron: C-47, Beaufighter, Mosquito PR.16, Hudson 106 Sqn: December 1948 - 5 May 1949 Ekron: Hudson Hope that helps.

Sorry for the delay guys. I'll try and post some info on the squadrons' movements tonight when I get home.

Well they could relaese it as a 30th Anniversary tie in in 2016! Seriously though, they're bringing out new Star Wars games all the time, and the first movie was released in 1977. BTW, Is it a sign that I'm getting old when I think anyone born after 1977 is just a kid. Is it just me?

Well if you upload them, I'll download them!

Try these: http://military-machine.blogspot.com/2010/05/avia-s-199-cs-199-in-detail.html http://military-machine.blogspot.com/2009/09/spitfire-star-of-israel.html http://military-machine.blogspot.com/2009_09_01_archive.html

With all the Luftwaffe 08 FMs and TK's Spitfire FM that could maybe be applied to the DAT Mk1, we would only really need the Hurricane to be updated for it to be game on for an updated BoB campaign...

Surfing the net looking for some online dogfighting. (did you see what I did there?)

Israel Air Service at it's founding - 10 November 1947 (total: 9 aircraft) Sde Dov - Seabee (1), RWD-13 (2), Autocrat (1), Tiger Moth (2), Taylorcraft (3) Israel Air Service Order of Battle on Israel's first full day of independence - 15 May 1948 (total: 36 aircraft) Sde Dov - A Sqn - C-47 (2), Dragon Rapide (1), Norseman (1), Bonanza (2), Seabee (1), Autocrat (1), Auster AOP (14), RWD-13 (2), Taylorcraft (1), Tiger Moth (2) Ekron - Air Transport Command - C-46 (1) Niram\Dorot - Negev Sqn - Taylorcraft (1), Auster AOP (2) Yavneel\Mahanayim - Galilee Sqn - Taylorcraft (1), Auster AOP (2) Europe (Czechoslovakia?) - Air Transport Command - C-46 (1), C-54 (1) Israel Airforce Order of Battle - End of 1948 (total: 107 aircraft) Ekron Station flight - Taylorcraft (1) 35 Sqn - Norseman (2), Harvard (7) 69 Sqn - B-17 (3) Air Transport Command - C-46 (9), C-54 (1), Lockheed Lodestar (1), Hudson (1), C-69 (1) Niram\Dorot 2 Sqn - Piper Cub (2), Auster AOP (1) Ramat David 3 Sqn - Dragon Rapide (1), Piper Cub (3), Auster AOP (2), Taylorcraft (1) 101 Sqn - Spitfire (14), BT-13 (1), P-51 (2), S-199 (6), Seabee (1) 103 Sqn - C-47 (6), DC-5 (1), Mosquito PR (1), Beaufighter (2) Sde Dov 1 Sqn - Dragon Rapide (5), Argus (2), Bonanza (3), Norecrin (2), Piper Cub (12), RWD-13 (1), Auster AOP (9) Of course, aircraft arrived and were lost during 1948. On 8 July 1948 the Heyl Ha'Avir had 60 aircraft, although only 9 could be considered to be combat types (S-199s). The B-17s arrived around 15 July and the first of the Spits flew on 23 July. By 17 September IAF strength was 92 aircraft, including 20 fighters and 3 bombers. During the course of the war 15-18 aircraft were downed by AAA or destroyed on the ground, 2 were shot down by enemy fighters, 34-38 were lost in operational accidents, and 2 were captured by enemy forces. 23 pilots, 10 other aircrew, and 10 ground personell were killed , many of them foreign volunteers, 2 pilots were listed as MIA, and 4 aircrew were captured. 27 aircraft were downed in air engagements - 20 Egyptian, 1 Syrian, 5 British and 1 civilian. Another 6 aircraft were destroyed either by Israeli anti-aircraft fire or on the ground. Many of the Israeli units moved base during the course of the war. I'll dig out some information and post it to help with the campaign construction.

Have you checked the key maps in the game options? Maybe you inadvertantly set esc for exit the whole game instead of just to exit the mission?

Any chance of this one at some point? Got to be one of the coolest Spit schemes ever, and fits in nicely with SF2:I\WOI too!

Dave, do you need any info on the Israeli AF's OOB in 1948?

Sorry I won't be able to help with this project. But I came up with a motto for your team: Addon...? This is Suez!

http://forum.combatace.com/files/file/1630-new-nations-pack/ Have fun.

From Wiki: Royal Navy AEW capability had been lost when the Fairey Gannet aeroplane was withdrawn after the last of the RN's fleet carriers, HMS Ark Royal, was decommissioned in 1978. During the Falklands War a number of warships were lost, with casualties, due to the lack of an indigenous AEW presence - the RAF Shackleton AEW.2 proposed fleet cover was too unresponsive and at too great a distance to be practical. Two HAS2 Sea Kings were modified in 1982. They were both flying within 11-weeks as the AEW2A and deployed with 824 'D' Flight on HMS Illustrious and served in the Falklands after the cessession of hostilities.

Raden, if you've seen an Egyptian Herc skin please can you link it as I've not seen one. I could probably mock up a Libyan Fishbed from one of the desert skins around. Kevin, I've already made Egypt friendly in the main nations.ini (it makes it a lot easier getting the western planes to work). This is the Modern NAfrica_nations.ini I've got so far Theater] TheaterName=Modern North Africa Location001=Western Desert Location002=Cyrenaica Location003=Greece Location004=Crete Location005=Albania [Nation001] NationID=035 Name=Libya DisplayName=Libyan Air Force Alignment=ENEMY PilotNameList=NamesArabic.lst RankList=RanksRAF.lst CallsignList=CallsignsUS.lst Formation.Fighter=SovietFighter Formation.Attack=SovietFighter Formation.Bomber=SovietBomber Formation.Transport=SovietBomber Formation.Tank=SovietTank Formation.MobileAD=SovietAD PilotTrainingStandard=POOR GenderRatio=0 [Nation002] NationID=031 Name=Egypt DisplayName=Eqyptian Air Force Alignment=ENEMY PilotNameList=NamesArabic.lst RankList=RanksRAF.lst CallsignList=CallsignsUS.lst Formation.Fighter=SovietFighter Formation.Attack=SovietFighter Formation.Bomber=SovietBomber Formation.Transport=SovietBomber Formation.Tank=SovietTank Formation.MobileAD=SovietAD PilotTrainingStandard=POOR GenderRatio=0 Do I need to a limited nations list too? I'm testing this in a new fully patched install of WOI so that I can use the Egyptian & Libyan skins.

Does anyone know if there are skins around for: Mirage F1 - Libya MiG 21 - Libya C-130 Hercules - Egypt Thanks.

Hanging's too good for them!

Many happy returns guys.

No problem. I'm going to start on the airfields and build up the air defences, modernise the pre-placed ground objects etc. and work from there. There's probably enough airfields on the map at the moment anyway, working on the basis that the Egyptians would forward deploy any required forces to nearer the border, and that they don't have any air refueling assets.

Thanks for the info Kevin. I'll look into it, unless of course.....

I've been toying with the idea of a Libya\Egypt install. They fought a brief war in the 1970s and a 1980s scenario would be doable too, either a straight fight between the two or part of a wider NATO\Warpac conflict in the Med, maybe set at the time of the USN\Libyan confontations. The planeset matchup is quite interesting, and we have pretty much all of the aircraft, and many of the skins, required - Libya has MiG-21, -23 and -25, Mirage 5 & F1 and Su-22s, and Egypt would have MiG-21, Su-7 & 20 and Mirage 5 to start with, and then also F-4E, F-16A and Mirage 2000 in a 1980s scenario. Tu-16s and Tu-22s could also be included for Egypt and Libya respectively. For helicopters, both sides have Mi-8s, and the Libyans have Mi-25s too. What sort of ground objects (tanks, APCs, AAA and SAMs) would be needed for each side in 1970s and 1980s scenarios? Do they both have Soviet equipment? The Libya map is not really useful because it doesn't have the border with Egypt, but if we had a modernised North Africa terrain based on Edwards\Wrench's WW2 version that would be perfect. What do you think?

Looks like something that Ernst Stavro Blofeld would like for Xmas, or maybe Dr Evil

HP Hampden?

There's a map at the front of the book showing where Ras Assanya is located. If you don't have a copy handy I can scan the page from mine. In 'The Warbirds' the 45th TFW had 3 squadrons of F-4Es (377th TFS, 378th TFS and 379th TFS). The tailcodes were AX (at Alexandria South, Egypt) and SW (at RAF Stonewood, England). I'm not sure about when they were at Ras Assanya, I'd have to read through the book again in detail, but if it's not in there would they change the code on deployment to something like RA, or keep the SW code? The cover of my copy of the book shows and F-4 in the grey scheme, which should be about right for the late 1980s when the story is set. The wing gained a detachment of F-4Gs and a squadron of F-15Cs. Saudi and IIRC Iraqi support is also mentioned. Other US support aircraft metioned are C-130s, KC-135s and a stealth recon fighter (maybe the F-19?) The Iranians are specifically mentioned as having MiG 23 Floggers. It shouldn't be too difficult to mod either a stock TW Flogger or a MF one to represent an Iranian bird, and presumably the Iranians would also have their stock aircraft from the IranIraq mod (F-4, F5, F-14 etc). Let me know if you need any more info. BTW, the Grain King rescue at the beginning of the book would make a nice quick mission - 2 F-4Es with wing tanks and gun vs 2 fully armed Libyan MiG 23s intercepting a USAF C-130 famine relief flight.

Excellent news! Any chance of adding the airbase at Ras Assanya and the prison and airstrip at Kermanshah as easter eggs? I'd like to have a bash at some Richard Herman missions in homage to your work in Janes FA. Maybe a Warbirds campaign and Force of Eagles mission pack?